EPTLike many voters probably. Its all trump this trump that oh its so horrible what trump did now.
Guess you have to be an outsider to see it.
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pmh
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Like many voters probably. Its all trump this trump that oh its so horrible what trump did now. Guess you have to be an outsider to see it. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:06 pmh wrote: Nothing compared to the attention everything trump says,am just reading the highlights on the internet. Like many voters probably. Its all trump this trump that oh its so horrible what trump did now. Guess you have to be an outsider to see it. That's at least 50% Trump's fault. He spent 9 months saying deliberately saying horrible or could-be-perceived-as-horrible things to dominate media coverage. It was his whole goal. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You really don't think that the e-mail scandals got any attention??? The argument is that it should be getting more attention and equal attention to Trumps long line of gaffs, questionable associations and inability to back down once insulted. And if the GOP wants, they can bring charges against Clinton. They have the power to appoint a special prosecutor if they don’t agree with the FBI. But they won’t. On August 03 2016 00:06 pmh wrote: Nothing compared to the attention everything trump says,am just reading the highlights on the internet. Like many voters probably. Its all trump this trump that oh its so horrible what trump did now. Guess you have to be an outsider to see it. That is likely because horrible people do horrible things. And then the press reports on those horrible things. | ||
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pmh
1352 Posts
Maybe that's plan b, or maybe the whole gop is now on board with the democratic platform. Trump should just get out and say "screw you sir" but I guess trump is no quitter. Continuing with this is completely pointless,even the gop doesn't fully support him. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
The media-viewing public has a very short attention span, so the media accommodates. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15662 Posts
It's like they don't even run these things by anyone. How does someone miss the implication that people who are subjected to workplace harassment are not being strong people. Good lord what a moron lol Edit: I am now realizing this is an intentional diversion. Adding a fake gaffe to get rid of the actual gaffe. Maybe a good play. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
You'll soon all vote for a presidential election that will be resumed to "do you like Trump ?", and give the most powerful position of the country to someone who will do things that were not discussed at all. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:11 WhiteDog wrote: Clinton email "scandal", Trump exchange with Khan, all that are unimportant bullshit that the media focus on because they don't want you to think and talk about policies. The Khan exchange is all about the ban on Muslims, which is a policy Trump is proposing. And Trump can’t talk about policy without tripping over his own ignorance. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 02 2016 23:40 On_Slaught wrote: I thought it was self evident that Trump had some serious mental problems. The dude has trouble finishing a sentence before being driven to a completely different thought. He has the attention span of a gold fish. Even worse, he goes into a rage over even the most benign, or even perceived, insults. It is clearly a lot more than narcissism. I have no doubt he would be diagnosed as sick by most Psychiatrists, though that of course is only my personal guess. And I expect it will get worse before it gets better... I do'nt think he has serious mental problems. Just some neuroses (as most people do); clinical narcissism explains a lot of it really. And some conditions aren't really a problem, and can even be a benefit, for some kinds of work. Not sure where narcissism is on that. "sick" is a rather vague word; there are many degrees of seriousness of conditions, from the quite harmless modifiers, to devastating. Trump's are not that bad. (I'm not a psychiatrist, just a guy with some psychology training and some conditions of my own). re: whitedog they don't talk policies, becuase most people find policy incredibly boring, because it is. important, but boring. so it doens't get ratings; hence why channels like C-span get such low viewership. Oh, and on education; I did some estimating, and reckon we could provide free college at annualized cost of $100 billion a year (or maybe considerably less, that's an upper limit, and it's hard to give highly accurate numbers as a guy on the internet), provided it's done through online courses. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:13 Plansix wrote: The Khan exchange is all about the ban on Muslims, which is a policy Trump is proposing. And Trump can’t talk about policy without tripping over his own ignorance. It's not discussed ?! Are you joking me ? The core of the argument is "I muslim I sacrificed for the country, can you read the constitution ?" and Trump responding "Me sacrifice a lot too, me build a statue for vets and ho I love dem vets - why your wife not talking ?". You consider that actual discussion on islam and how the US should behave with refugees ? You think it's not a topic worth discussing ? | ||
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pmh
1352 Posts
They don't report the facts anymore like they supposed to. They first filter the facts,then they interpret the facts and then they judge their interpretation of the facts. And after all that processing the judgement is then spoon fed to the hillbillys back at home. Its stupid. off course there are a few good papers and maybe even tv channels,and media are also supposed to give their opinion on things, but the reporting on this election is so extremely one sided. Anyway agree, journalism has had a huge fall over the past few decades. And with that indirect democracy as well. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:16 pmh wrote: The thing with the media is the following. They don't report the facts anymore like they supposed to, they interpret and then judge the facts and then spoon fed that judgement to the hillbillys back at home. actually, they generally do both. Also, they never really used to just report the facts either; there was a always a lot of vetting and judgment involved. There was a period in the oh, 50-70s or so wherein journalistic standards were pretty high iirc, and I'd agree they declined a bit since then. There's plenty of fine fact-reporting, and plenty of commentary op-ed style. | ||
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:06 pmh wrote: Nothing compared to the attention everything trump says,am just reading the highlights on the internet. Like many voters probably. Its all trump this trump that oh its so horrible what trump did now. Guess you have to be an outsider to see it. Because trump is saying so much more. His entire campaign was build on a foundation of grabbing media attention. They are just giving him what he wants. Hillary is not actively trying to get all this attention. I am 100% sure if Hillary said something incredibly racist in a public interview it would be all over the place. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 02 2016 22:59 zeo wrote: Believing Trump was not being sarcastic about the Russians hacking Clinton's email is the same as believing Clinton sacrifices animals to Moloch based on that email. You're in fantasy land bud. Watch the clip. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:13 zlefin wrote: I do'nt think he has serious mental problems. Just some neuroses (as most people do); clinical narcissism explains a lot of it really. And some conditions aren't really a problem, and can even be a benefit, for some kinds of work. Not sure where narcissism is on that. "sick" is a rather vague word; there are many degrees of seriousness of conditions, from the quite harmless modifiers, to devastating. Trump's are not that bad. (I'm not a psychiatrist, just a guy with some psychology training and some conditions of my own). re: whitedog they don't talk policies, becuase most people find policy incredibly boring, because it is. important, but boring. so it doens't get ratings; hence why channels like C-span get such low viewership. Oh, and on education; I did some estimating, and reckon we could provide free college at annualized cost of $100 billion a year (or maybe considerably less, that's an upper limit, and it's hard to give highly accurate numbers as a guy on the internet), provided it's done through online courses. Narcissism in itself doesn't qualify as a mental illness/personality disorder. It is simply a psychological construct that describes a set of behaviors. It's not even like it has had a definition set in stone; check out the disagreements whenever a new DSM comes up. I imagine if he was examined, Trump would qualify for NPD under DSM-V criteria. However, that's largely because he fits the most stereotypical criteria...and he's rich, white, and makes people feel threatened (which is sadly a pertinent aspect of diagnosis). | ||
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MCWhiteHaze
United States155 Posts
"I have to vote for the lesser of the two evils" What? No you don't... No one holds a gun to your head and says you must vote for Hillary or Donald. That doesn't happen. You can vote for whoever you want, or not vote at all. I personally don't vote because I don't believe in how politics works and/or voting for anyone to me is a waste of time. I believe reform needs to happen on a personal social level before it will happen at the top. Just my beliefs and I catch a lot of flack for them, oh well. I get so sick of the presidential season...Family members arguing and getting mad at each other for the most ridiculous of reasons especially when we get such a jaded view and report. We end up arguing about things that aren't even true lol. Stupid. God help us all. Amen. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:16 WhiteDog wrote: It's not discussed ?! Are you joking me ? The core of the argument is "I muslim I sacrificed for the country, can you read the constitution ?" and Trump responding "Me sacrifice a lot too, me build a statue for vets and ho I love dem vets - why your wife not talking ?". You consider that actual discussion on islam and how the US should behave with refugees ? You think it's not a topic worth discussing ? The ban on Muslim immigration is unconstitutional. This is one of the core flaws with Trumps continued push for the ban and dancing around the issue. Mr. Khan brought that part of the discussion front and center, but Trump degraded into personal attacks as normal. You are correct that policy cannot be discussed with a candidate like Trump in the election. Because he can’t talk about policy without getting insulted, offended or otherwise upset because someone is questioning him. Even when the media tries to get him to focus on a specific question, he tells them to “be quite”. On August 03 2016 00:24 MCWhiteHaze wrote: You know what the biggest lie people fall into is? This statement right: "I have to vote for the lesser of the two evils" What? No you don't... No one holds a gun to your head and says you must vote for Hillary or Donald. That doesn't happen. You can vote for whoever you want, or not vote at all. I personally don't vote because I don't believe in how politics works and/or voting for anyone to me is a waste of time. I believe reform needs to happen on a personal social level before it will happen at the top. Just my beliefs and I catch a lot of flack for them, oh well. I get so sick of the presidential season...Family members arguing and getting mad at each other for the most ridiculous of reasons especially when we get such a jaded view and report. We end up arguing about things that aren't even true lol. Stupid. God help us all. Amen. It does suck. We pushed our wedding plans back a year just because of the election, because we didn’t want it hanging over the event. I am thankful I was not alive during the 60s when the divide was much worse and longer lasting. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:13 zlefin wrote: re: whitedog they don't talk policies, becuase most people find policy incredibly boring, because it is. important, but boring. so it doens't get ratings; hence why channels like C-span get such low viewership. Pretty much this. If you talk to a random person on the street about fiscal policy, they'll either tune you out because they find it horribly uninteresting, or they'll have no clue what you're talking about in the first place. Most substantive policy issues involve problems that are at a complexity level beyond the interest or comprehension levels of most voters. So the RoI for a media outlet to discuss policy issues is incredibly poor compared to reporting scandals. This used to be fine, because for the most part both parties relegated nitty-gritty policy stuff to backroom discussions involving career experts on these issues anyway. It's just this year has seen a confluence of public rejections of these expert analyses (e.g. Brexit). So we have a public that rejects the opinion of those trained and willing to tackle complex policy issues, but at the same time itself still unwilling to make itself more engaged and educated on those issues. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:24 MCWhiteHaze wrote: You know what the biggest lie people fall into is? This statement right: "I have to vote for the lesser of the two evils" What? No you don't... No one holds a gun to your head and says you must vote for Hillary or Donald. That doesn't happen. You can vote for whoever you want, or not vote at all. I personally don't vote because I don't believe in how politics works and/or voting for anyone to me is a waste of time. I believe reform needs to happen on a personal social level before it will happen at the top. Just my beliefs and I catch a lot of flack for them, oh well. I get so sick of the presidential season...Family members arguing and getting mad at each other for the most ridiculous of reasons especially when we get such a jaded view and report. We end up arguing about things that aren't even true lol. Stupid. God help us all. Amen. I'm perfectly fine with people make a conscious decision to not vote, especially if you are not confident in your vote. OTOH I believe that it's a struggle, but if you don't struggle you already lost. On August 03 2016 00:26 Plansix wrote: The ban on Muslim immigration is unconstitutional. This is one of the core flaws with Trumps continued push for the ban and dancing around the issue. Mr. Khan brought that part of the discussion front and center, but Trump degraded into personal attacks as normal. You are correct that policy cannot be discussed with a candidate like Trump in the election. Because he can’t talk about policy without getting insulted, offended or otherwise upset because someone is questioning him. Even when the media tries to get him to focus on a specific question, he tells them to “be quite”. It does suck. We pushed our wedding plans back a year just because of the election, because we didn’t want it hanging over the event. I am thankful I was not alive during the 60s when the divide was much worse and longer lasting. There was a study showing that the political divide is currently deepest since before the civil war, unfortunately I can't remember where was that. 60s were a mess publicly but Washington was less dysfunctional. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21641 Posts
On August 03 2016 00:24 MCWhiteHaze wrote: You know what the biggest lie people fall into is? This statement right: "I have to vote for the lesser of the two evils" What? No you don't... No one holds a gun to your head and says you must vote for Hillary or Donald. That doesn't happen. You can vote for whoever you want, or not vote at all. I personally don't vote because I don't believe in how politics works and/or voting for anyone to me is a waste of time. I believe reform needs to happen on a personal social level before it will happen at the top. Just my beliefs and I catch a lot of flack for them, oh well. I get so sick of the presidential season...Family members arguing and getting mad at each other for the most ridiculous of reasons especially when we get such a jaded view and report. We end up arguing about things that aren't even true lol. Stupid. God help us all. Amen. If you ignore the far reaching influence of politicians on the most basic of things then yes, you are completely correct. If, however, you realize the impact that the government has on well... everything then you realize that voting is important and while everyone is free to vote (or not vote) for whoever they want, the situation in the US is such that there are only 2 choices. Democrat or Republican. ps. Your belief (I believe reform needs to happen on a personal social level before it will happen at the top) is already more or less debunked. The majority of Americans think that gay couples should be allowed to legally marry. If the Republicans chose the next Supreme Court judge that is not going to happen for probably multiple decades. | ||
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