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Nyxisto
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On July 28 2016 06:49 xDaunt wrote: I have selected the giant douche over the turd sandwich. God knows that Trump isn't my ideal candidate, but there are enough silver linings to his election such that I greatly prefer him to Hillary. Can you give a quick summary on a few points of what you think Hillary will do that is so bad? or this goes to any of the other trump "supporters" as well | ||
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Surth
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On July 28 2016 06:41 xDaunt wrote: People shouldn't underestimate the role that these sentiments play in Trump's level of support. One of the sweetest parts of a Trump victory will be licking the tears off of the faces of the snooty PC crowd. The debate around political correctness is actually about ressentiment, and guess what, all the people complaining about PC culture are just as full of ressentiment as the people they accuse are <3 | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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On July 28 2016 06:48 Plansix wrote: That has nothing to do with free speech. Respecting other people isn’t an infraction of your right to expression. What people complaint about is wanting to say whatever they want and for there not to be consequences, which is just another form of "being offended". Or as Louis C.K. put it “If you tell an offensive joke and no one laughs, you are just offensive.” Ok sorry let me rephrase both for Democrats and Republicans, the younger groups polled increasingly identify with 'too many people are easily offended over language these days' whereas the older the groups polled, the more they identified with 'people need to be more careful with language to avoid offending people' | ||
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On July 28 2016 06:52 Surth wrote: The debate around political correctness is actually about ressentiment, and guess what, all the people complaining about PC culture are just as full of ressentiment as the people they accuse are <3 I don't think that's true at all. I actually don't care all that much for the games that surround communication. I care about the truth. I care about people getting offended or not, but only for personal practical reasons. My problem with political correctness is that despite what people who have any level of pro-pc beliefs might say, it pushes us away from accurate truth. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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On July 28 2016 06:52 Surth wrote: The debate around political correctness is actually about ressentiment, and guess what, all the people complaining about PC culture are just as full of ressentiment as the people they accuse are <3 I don't think so. Are you trying to apply Nietzsche here or is your choice of the phrase 'ressentiment' just coincidental ? | ||
CosmicSpiral
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On July 28 2016 06:43 KwarK wrote: Of the two candidates Trump is the one who gets apoplectic with rage whenever someone says something he doesn't like. You don't see Hillary suing journalists or trying to start one man boycotts for companies who show insufficient loyalty to her brand of America worship. Hillary is not a pro at goading the media through sensationalism. Let us not pretend that Trump drunkenly stumbled into his current position. He is very savvy when it comes to being a television personality. Legitimate journalism underestimated him on that front and paid for it. | ||
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Falling
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whereas the older the groups polled, the more they identified with 'people need to be more careful with language to avoid offending people' Maybe that's just wisdom with age. I for one don't look forward to the day when the way people 'talk' to each other online bleeds into real life in a significant way because 'people are just too sensitive and PC.' There's a point in the anti-PC somewhere, but it's usually stated so absolutely and so broadly, it sounds like people just want everyone to be tools to each other. Meanness = authenticity. Civility = fake. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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On July 28 2016 06:57 CosmicSpiral wrote: Hillary is not a pro at goading the media through sensationalism. Let us not pretend that Trump drunkenly stumbled into his current position. He is very savvy when it comes to being a television personality. Legitimate journalism underestimated him on that front and paid for it. Hillary doesn't even really talk to the press; she hasn't had a press conference in like 225 days now I know this gets repeated a lot but it's a pretty valid concern if you consider openness and transparency to be a good thing. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On July 28 2016 06:58 Falling wrote: Maybe that's just wisdom with age. I for one don't look forward to the day when the way people 'talk' to each other online bleeds into real life in a significant way because 'people are just too sensitive and PC.' There's a point in the anti-PC somewhere, but it's usually stated so absolutely and so broadly, it sounds like people just want everyone to be tools to each other. Meanness = authenticity. Civility = fake. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that wisdom and age have weak correlation at best. 'PC culture' deserves a dose of skepticism when it pretends that euphemisms can't be used in place of offensive language. Controlling language doesn't mean you can control intentions or thoughts. It also risks diverting the discussion from promoting tolerance and equality via a better 'representational vocabulary to who gets more benefit/control from those changes. | ||
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zeo
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On July 28 2016 07:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Hillary doesn't even really talk to the press; she hasn't had a press conference in like 225 days now I know this gets repeated a lot but it's a pretty valid concern if you consider openness and transparency to be a good thing. It's 235 days | ||
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Plansix
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On July 28 2016 06:58 Slaughter wrote: I think the anti-pc crowd holds the PC crowd to a higher standard then their own. You don't say. You don't say. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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On July 28 2016 06:58 Falling wrote: Maybe that's just wisdom with age. I for one don't look forward to the day when the way people 'talk' to each other online bleeds into real life in a significant way because 'people are just too sensitive and PC.' There's a point in the anti-PC somewhere, but it's usually stated so absolutely and so broadly, it sounds like people just want everyone to be tools to each other. Meanness = authenticity. Civility = fake. It's entirely possible. I like to think this idea of 'meanness' and extreme free speech that you might see from someone like Milo is on the opposite extreme of the heavily PC censorship crowd on the other radical end of the spectrum. And that ideally we would want society as a whole to operate somewhere in the middle, rather than leaning too heavily towards one end or another. I am more worried that we are likely to err on the side of censorship these days than complete 'free speech meanness' of online vulgarity. | ||
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xDaunt
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On July 28 2016 06:51 travis wrote: Can you give a quick summary on a few points of what you think Hillary will do that is so bad? or this goes to any of the other trump "supporters" as well Here are a few things off the top of my head: 1) Hillary is demonstrably inept. Her foreign policy record is an absolute wreck as has been chronicled extensively in this thread. When I was listening to Bill Clinton talk about her "record of success" last night, my thought was that she probably should have stuck to working on smaller ticket items. 2) I would much rather Trump pick Supreme Court justices than Hillary. 3) I don't trust Hillary to not be a corrupt shill to outside interests. No, she has not been convicted of corruption (or even charged), but one simply can't sweep her extensive history of shady dealings under the rug. Whether she did anything wrong or not, the optics are beyond terrible and can't be ignored. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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2) I would much rather Trump pick Supreme Court justices than Hillary. Funny enough, that's the only thing that i'd grant to Hillary. The US doesn't need another Scalia. | ||
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Slaughter
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On July 28 2016 07:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote: It's entirely possible. I like to think this idea of 'meanness' and extreme free speech that you might see from someone like Milo is on the opposite extreme of the heavily PC censorship crowd on the other radical end of the spectrum. And that ideally we would want society as a whole to operate somewhere in the middle, rather than leaning too heavily towards one end or another. I am more worried that we are likely to err on the side of censorship these days than complete 'free speech meanness' of online vulgarity. Imo most people are in the middle but like in every case the extremes are the loudest and the media only covers the extreme cases because its the drama that drives them. So then people in the middle get dragged into taking sides and get fooled into thinking that the other side is out of control and that justifies their own extreme people because most people are lazy and let the extremes be their attack dogs. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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Literally talking about 'rainbows' On July 28 2016 07:05 Slaughter wrote: Imo most people are in the middle but like in every case the extremes are the loudest and the media only covers the extreme cases because its the drama that drives them. I don't disagree | ||
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