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On July 24 2016 03:32 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 02:58 Plansix wrote:
I want to know how you get $300,000 in fees what appears to be a simple debt collection case. Even if we assume the attorneys bill out at $300 per hour, no debt collect case should involve that much work.
Need more info. And being awarded legal fees is pretty uncommon unless they are guaranteed by statute. At least around here. Exactly. No court around here would award full fees to a firm that had 3 attorneys billing at $500 per hour on a case like that.
It's not hard to imagine Trump's lawyers trying to bury their opponent in litigation in order to drive up legal fees. We would have to know more about the case than that news article.
But we certainly do know that the judge is Mexican. Among the possible reasons for the decision, we should assume political bias based on the wall.
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On July 24 2016 04:49 Nyxisto wrote:
It's just the same irony that comes up with the anti-immigration and deportation rhetoric. I read somewhere that almost half of California's agriculture sector consists of illegal labour. There's probably not even close to enough reserve labour force to fill these positions up if you kick the people out. So at the end of the day you're going to end up with more expensive food and basic necessities which will hit the poor the hardest.
Genuinely asking.
What was first ? Illegal immigration lowering the salaries so much that natives don't want to do that job anymore ? Or natives not wanting to do those jobs thus "importing" illegal workers seemed like the only option ?
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The jobs they are doing are not that high playing to begin with. The main reason it is good for the immigrats is because of the strength of the US dollar. Someone in the US can't survive on those wages and keep the food prices low.
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On July 24 2016 04:54 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 04:49 Nyxisto wrote:
It's just the same irony that comes up with the anti-immigration and deportation rhetoric. I read somewhere that almost half of California's agriculture sector consists of illegal labour. There's probably not even close to enough reserve labour force to fill these positions up if you kick the people out. So at the end of the day you're going to end up with more expensive food and basic necessities which will hit the poor the hardest. Genuinely asking. What was first ? Illegal immigration lowering the salaries so much that natives don't want to do that job anymore ? Or natives not wanting to do those jobs thus "importing" illegal workers seemed like the only option ?
The state is close to full employment (just like the US in general) so I don't think that this is about choice in any way. There's no millions of people standing in a row waiting for jobs to be filled. If you're kicking those people out stuff is simply going to be much more expensive.
Also manual labour in agriculture is unproductive as hell so it's always going to be a low paying job. You can't just pay any labourer a high salary without the price for food drastically increasing or you going out of business.
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Hispanic migrant farming in the US is well over a century old as a standard practice and has effectively dug itself a nice little labor hole that only the dirt poor and transient can fill. Fixing that hole artificially through kicking people out or suddenly making migrant farming untenable is going to send shockwaves through the US food industry and given the fact that food costs disproportionately affect the lower class, it should be clear who's going to bear the brunt of that.
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I like subsidies as a way of helping to smooth out the starting costs of a new industry with a high barrier to entry but large social positives but not much outside of that. The problem with them, as in any case where you offer people "free money", is that they get mad when you take it away. From army bases to defence spending projects to subsidies, whenever people are currently getting Federal money they take it for granted and then bitch you out if you try to stop. I don't support most subsidies (although renewable energy and electric car ones are pretty cool) and believe most exist because the people who have them threaten to vote against anyone trying to take them away.
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On July 24 2016 05:04 KwarK wrote:
I like subsidies as a way of helping to smooth out the starting costs of a new industry with a high barrier to entry but large social positives but not much outside of that. The problem with them, as in any case where you offer people "free money", is that they get mad when you take it away. From army bases to defence spending projects to subsidies, whenever people are currently getting Federal money they take it for granted and then bitch you out if you try to stop. I don't support most subsidies (although renewable energy and electric car ones are pretty cool) and believe most exist because the people who have them threaten to vote against anyone trying to take them away.
Its actually sometimes rage inducing, far to many subsidies become like an expectation rather than something that is supposed to help you either get on your feet or get back on your feet as an industry. Instead they just keep operating under the assumption that this is just going to stay.
Thats my biggest gripe with subsidies in general, even though in theory they are a good tool.
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Agreed; subsidies tend to become far too expected and demanded; and sometimes the business gets into a mindsight where if they can't make cost, they need more subsidies, rather than shaping up their business practices.
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@Nyxisto i am not asking about nowadays. Somewhere, and somewhen it had to start. I believe that the answer is probably somewhere in the middle between both.
On July 24 2016 05:02 farvacola wrote:
Hispanic migrant farming in the US is well over a century old as a standard practice and has effectively dug itself a nice little labor hole that only the dirt poor and transient can fill. Fixing that hole artificially through kicking people out or suddenly making migrant farming untenable is going to send shockwaves through the US food industry and given the fact that food costs disproportionately affect the lower class, it should be clear who's going to bear the brunt of that.
Hmm, are the margins really that low to make it impossible to stay at the same price or to atleast not have a massive bump? I thought your vegetables/fruits were kinda expensive already.
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Kaine's about as vanilla plain as it comes. However, I think he'll lock up Virginia for Clinton and boost her lead in Florida, and I don't think it'l be possible for Trump to win if he loses those 2 states.
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On July 24 2016 08:05 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Kaine's about as vanilla plain as it comes. However, I think he'll lock up Virginia for Clinton and boost her lead in Florida, and I don't think it'l be possible for Trump to win if he loses those 2 states.
Thats pretty much the thought process for the campaign aswell. And also hoping hes pissed off enough people in Ohio..
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On July 24 2016 08:18 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 08:05 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Kaine's about as vanilla plain as it comes. However, I think he'll lock up Virginia for Clinton and boost her lead in Florida, and I don't think it'l be possible for Trump to win if he loses those 2 states. Thats pretty much the thought process for the campaign aswell. And also hoping hes pissed off enough people in Ohio..
it's such an open and desperate way to win over the latino vote. I hope hispanics watching his attempt and sucking up by trying to speak spanish repeatedly are put off by it.
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On July 24 2016 08:32 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 08:18 Rebs wrote:On July 24 2016 08:05 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Kaine's about as vanilla plain as it comes. However, I think he'll lock up Virginia for Clinton and boost her lead in Florida, and I don't think it'l be possible for Trump to win if he loses those 2 states. Thats pretty much the thought process for the campaign aswell. And also hoping hes pissed off enough people in Ohio.. it's such an open and desperate way to win over the latino vote. I hope hispanics watching his attempt and sucking up by trying to speak spanish repeatedly are put off by it.
How dare someone show respect for their culture, what an insult, showing respect just to try and get their support!
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Yeah, if Kaine really wanted to communicate his respect for Hispanic-Americans, he should have taken a snapshot of himself eating a taco salad on Cinco de Mayo.
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On July 24 2016 08:32 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 08:18 Rebs wrote:On July 24 2016 08:05 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Kaine's about as vanilla plain as it comes. However, I think he'll lock up Virginia for Clinton and boost her lead in Florida, and I don't think it'l be possible for Trump to win if he loses those 2 states. Thats pretty much the thought process for the campaign aswell. And also hoping hes pissed off enough people in Ohio.. it's such an open and desperate way to win over the latino vote. I hope hispanics watching his attempt and sucking up by trying to speak spanish repeatedly are put off by it.
On July 24 2016 08:37 zf wrote:
Yeah, if Kaine really wanted to communicate his respect for Hispanic-Americans, he should have taken a snapshot of himself eating a taco salad on Cinco de Mayo.
Correction a taco bowl. Lets not forget he also went and told everyone that hes loves hispanics just so he could tell everyone that the the best ones are in Trump Grill..
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I'm really confused by that logic. Like do you want candidates to make sure that their policies, and only their policies, are taken into consideration when they win a vote by being actively unlikable and disrespectful to the voting public? If not at what point does trying to be liked by a community become "desperate" and "sucking up"? 37 million Americans speak Spanish and yet a VP candidate showing that he respects them is attacked?
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On July 24 2016 08:32 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 08:18 Rebs wrote:On July 24 2016 08:05 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Kaine's about as vanilla plain as it comes. However, I think he'll lock up Virginia for Clinton and boost her lead in Florida, and I don't think it'l be possible for Trump to win if he loses those 2 states. Thats pretty much the thought process for the campaign aswell. And also hoping hes pissed off enough people in Ohio.. it's such an open and desperate way to win over the latino vote. I hope hispanics watching his attempt and sucking up by trying to speak spanish repeatedly are put off by it.
I'd trade that for working class people reacting the same way to Trump's transparent attempts to portray himself as understanding in any way their problems
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On July 24 2016 08:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 08:32 biology]major wrote:On July 24 2016 08:18 Rebs wrote:On July 24 2016 08:05 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Kaine's about as vanilla plain as it comes. However, I think he'll lock up Virginia for Clinton and boost her lead in Florida, and I don't think it'l be possible for Trump to win if he loses those 2 states. Thats pretty much the thought process for the campaign aswell. And also hoping hes pissed off enough people in Ohio.. it's such an open and desperate way to win over the latino vote. I hope hispanics watching his attempt and sucking up by trying to speak spanish repeatedly are put off by it. How dare someone show respect for their culture, what an insult, showing respect just to try and get their support!
Better to be subtle about it rather than seem desperate for their vote. VP picks are usually strategically placed to shore up a demographic anyway so if I were Latino and I saw something like that it would come off as a guy trying to suck up for my vote. Focusing on substance by showing how he is pro Latino rather than saying some empty words would actually mean something to me. Trumps taco bowl thing was bad too, but he usually covers up the desperation by saying something stupidly bold at the end like "we're gonna win the Hispanic vote, and we are gonna win it bigly!"
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But Clinton doesn't care if some angry white people think she is "sucking up" to the Latino vote. All she cares about if what the Latino vote thinks. This is always the flawed logic that people bring out when someone tries to win over demographic.
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