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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
July 24 2016 00:57 GMT
#88441
Notice there's 1000 articles about the fact that he speaks Spanish, but there's more articles about him playing harmonica than there are of things he's done for Hispanic people.

This is "Not My Abuela" all over again.

It will work on millions of people but it's already upsetting younger Spanish speaking voters.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 01:33:02
July 24 2016 01:27 GMT
#88442
Well, no one can say this is some new thing for him-as far back as 2013 he spoke in Spanish on the Senate floor supporting immigration reform (at least if his Senate page is to be believed). I somehow doubt he knew he'd be the VP pick back then.

Now that he's associated in a positive way with Clinton I expect to see a barrage of progressive media scolding him though, just like they did to Warren. Bonus points if he gets scolded for not being progressive enough on issues that his state isn't that progressive on while Sanders made a reasonable argument about representing Vermont's gun control beliefs even if they weren't that progressive in the debates.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 24 2016 02:05 GMT
#88443
Americans favor tougher gun laws by margins that have grown wider after a number of mass shootings in recent months, but they also are pessimistic that change will happen any time soon, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll.

Nearly two-thirds of respondents expressed support for stricter laws, with the majority favoring nationwide bans on the sale of semi-automatic assault weapons such as the AR-15 and on the sale of high-capacity magazines holding 10 or more bullets.

The percentage of Americans who want such laws is the highest since the AP-GfK poll started asking the question in 2013, about 10 months after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, in which 20 children and six adults were killed.

High-profile shootings also appear to have taken a toll on Americans’ sense of safety. Strong majorities of those polled expressed some degree of concern that they or a relative will be a victim of gun violence or a mass shooting.

“If you live in the United States in these days right now, you have to be concerned,” said Milonne Ambroise, a 63-year-old administrative assistant from Decatur, Georgia. “You could be on the street somewhere. You could be at a shopping mall thinking there will be a mass shooting and you will be in the middle of it. You can’t not think about it.”

Ambroise, a native of Haiti who moved to the US nearly 50 years ago, said she was now much more alert and on guard whenever she is in public.

“I’m looking for exits. This isn’t something I did before,” she said. “What if I have to run? Where’s the exit? Where would I go?”

The level of concern about being victimized is not uniform, however. Non-whites are significantly more likely to be very or extremely concerned.


Source
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46686 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 02:30:54
July 24 2016 02:18 GMT
#88444
On July 24 2016 06:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


This is the first time I've seen him/ heard him speak, and my first impression of Tim Kaine is that he's a very positive, sincere, good man. Really cute anecdotes about his family and wife, really hard working, and really likable imo. Speaks well, is happy, and is enthusiastic. It's a speech of inclusion and love, not fear or hate. Will probably help with Virginia, possibly Latinos and the military and the moderately religious, and hopefully balance out the disliking of Hillary as a person (to those who care more about the scandals than her actual platforms and policies and reforms). I liked his summary at the end with the three questions, and I lol'ed at "You're right; Trump doesn't trash talk *everybody*... he likes Vladimir Putin."
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 24 2016 02:44 GMT
#88445
BUDAPEST—Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban on Saturday expressed support for U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump, citing Mr. Trump’s views on fighting terrorism.

Mr. Orban said Mr. Trump’s proposals for the U.S. would also help Europe solve its security issues in wake of recent terrorist attacks.

The European Union’s current political leadership has failed and should undergo a major revamp to stem the rising fear and insecurity among the European people, Mr. Orban said in Baile Tusnad, a town in Romania’s Transylvania region, which has a large number of ethnic Hungarians.

The Hungarian premier’s annual Baile Tusnad speech gained international interest in 2014, when he rejected liberalism and expressed admiration for “illiberal democracies,” listing Turkey or Russia, among other countries.

Since Mr. Orban came into power with a landslide victory in the 2010 general elections, the Obama administration has criticized Hungary several times for alleged state corruption, failure to observe freedom of religion and shortcomings in following the rule of law.

“The EU is incapable of defending its own citizens, its own external borders, unable to hold together its community—as reflected in the exit of the United Kingdom. What else is needed to state that Europe’s current political leadership has failed?” Mr. Orban said.

The U.K. voted in a referendum last month to leave the bloc.

The EU made mistakes when it increased the powers of the European Parliament, let the EU’s executive, the European Commission, act over the heads of the council of prime ministers, and made decisions without the full agreement of all member states, Mr. Orban said.


Source
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 04:27:25
July 24 2016 04:26 GMT
#88446
clintoncash

new documentary based on the book. I watched this with a skeptical attitude and still found it pretty damning for the Clintons. Hopefully this spreads and people learn more about these shady dealings.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2016 04:28 GMT
#88447
It won't, because no one trusts that tabloid.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 24 2016 04:34 GMT
#88448
On July 24 2016 13:28 Plansix wrote:
It won't, because no one trusts that tabloid.


As I said, I understand the bias involved in documentaries and didn't go into watching this with a preemptive negative attitude towards Clinton. I also never read or watched things from this "tabloid", but the content is still adding to the already known corruption of the DNC.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 04:43:20
July 24 2016 04:43 GMT
#88449
My understanding was that the author of the book it's based on has admitted to numerous falsehoods and been caught out on many more, even ignoring the brietbart angle entirely
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 05:21:41
July 24 2016 05:18 GMT
#88450
Hahahaha I love these

Miley Cyrus is pledging to leave the country if GOP White House hopeful Donald Trump becomes president.

“Honestly f--- this s--- I am moving if this is my president!” the 23-year-old “We Can’t Stop” singer wrote to her more than 38 million Instagram followers on Wednesday.
In a lengthy post that included photos of a smiling Trump next to Texas hunter Kendall Jones, alongside a separate snapshot of a teary-eyed Cyrus, the controversial entertainer wrote, “I don’t say things I don’t mean!”


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271683-miley-cyrus-pledges-to-leave-us-if-trump-wins

And some more serious news

(CNN)The head of the Democratic National Committee will not speak at the party's convention next week, a decision reached by party officials Saturday after emails surfaced that raised questions about the committee's impartiality during the Democratic primary.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz, whose stewardship of the DNC has been under fire through most of the presidential primary process, will not have a major speaking role in an effort "to keep the peace" in the party, a Democrat familiar with the decision said. The revelation comes following the release of nearly 20,000 emails


Source
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
July 24 2016 05:36 GMT
#88451
Poll: Gary Johnson At 26% In Utah, Three Points From Overtaking Trump
https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-election/poll-gary-johnson-26-utah-three-points-overtaking-trump/

So trump may have to start playing defense as well as taking on the task of trying to flip some blue states as well as running the bored with the battleground states. The mountain trump has to climb seems to get a little bigger every day and it was already a big mountain to start with.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 24 2016 06:14 GMT
#88452
Isn't Utah like a super weird corner case of a state because of all the Mormons? Trump lost the Primary in Utah to Cruz in a massive land slide, he lost to Kasich even.
LiquidDota Staff
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 24 2016 06:25 GMT
#88453
On July 24 2016 15:14 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Isn't Utah like a super weird corner case of a state because of all the Mormons? Trump lost the Primary in Utah to Cruz in a massive land slide, he lost to Kasich even.

Romney holds Utah in his hands.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
July 24 2016 06:47 GMT
#88454
On July 24 2016 08:32 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2016 08:18 Rebs wrote:
On July 24 2016 08:05 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Kaine's about as vanilla plain as it comes. However, I think he'll lock up Virginia for Clinton and boost her lead in Florida, and I don't think it'l be possible for Trump to win if he loses those 2 states.


Thats pretty much the thought process for the campaign aswell. And also hoping hes pissed off enough people in Ohio..


it's such an open and desperate way to win over the latino vote. I hope hispanics watching his attempt and sucking up by trying to speak spanish repeatedly are put off by it.

I honestly don't see speaking Spanish as desperate sucking up. But maybe that's because I'm used to my own politicians switching back and forth between English and French in pretty much any speech. I could be wrong, but I suspect politicians being bilingual in English/Spanish will be more important over the long haul.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 10:05:14
July 24 2016 07:07 GMT
#88455
Looks like the DNC got a hold of the republican donor list
wikileaks released it


In unsurprising news,
Conservative Twitter users erupted on Friday after the social media platform torpedoed #DNCLeaks from its trending-news feed after Wikileaks released 20,000 emails by Democratic National Committee staff members.

Embarrassing emails sent and received by DNC members had enough momentum to propel the story to Twitter’s top “trending” news feed on Friday afternoon. The #DNCLeaks entry vanished in the evening, but returned 20 minutes later after users cried foul.

The story had 250,000 tweets at the time it was pulled. The Washington Examiner then aggregated a stream of angry feedback.

“Don’t normally tweet political things, but why would @twitter pull the #DNCleaks from trending at #1. Sounds like censorship to me,” one user wrote.

“Twitter is still trying to censor this trend! Now #DNCleak is trending instead of original #DNCLeaks! Keep talking guys, expose corruption,” added another.

“.@Twitters @google actions tonight by trying to stop @wikileaks #DNCLeaks #DNCLeak is a prime reason We need MONEY out of POLITICS,” said a third person.

Source/
© Current year.
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-11 19:28:17
July 24 2016 10:39 GMT
#88456
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
July 24 2016 10:45 GMT
#88457
On July 24 2016 16:07 CorsairHero wrote:
Looks like the DNC got a hold of the republican donor list
wikileaks released it


In unsurprising news,
Show nested quote +
Conservative Twitter users erupted on Friday after the social media platform torpedoed #DNCLeaks from its trending-news feed after Wikileaks released 20,000 emails by Democratic National Committee staff members.

Embarrassing emails sent and received by DNC members had enough momentum to propel the story to Twitter’s top “trending” news feed on Friday afternoon. The #DNCLeaks entry vanished in the evening, but returned 20 minutes later after users cried foul.

The story had 250,000 tweets at the time it was pulled. The Washington Examiner then aggregated a stream of angry feedback.

“Don’t normally tweet political things, but why would @twitter pull the #DNCleaks from trending at #1. Sounds like censorship to me,” one user wrote.

“Twitter is still trying to censor this trend! Now #DNCleak is trending instead of original #DNCLeaks! Keep talking guys, expose corruption,” added another.

“.@Twitters @google actions tonight by trying to stop @wikileaks #DNCLeaks #DNCLeak is a prime reason We need MONEY out of POLITICS,” said a third person.

Source/


I love how any criticism of Hillary that isn't strictly about her being too far right is just a "conservatives/right-wing" thing.

The response from Hillary and DWS so far has been pretty hilarious though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12619 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 11:13:05
July 24 2016 11:11 GMT
#88458
On July 24 2016 19:39 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2016 13:34 biology]major wrote:
On July 24 2016 13:28 Plansix wrote:
It won't, because no one trusts that tabloid.


As I said, I understand the bias involved in documentaries and didn't go into watching this with a preemptive negative attitude towards Clinton. I also never read or watched things from this "tabloid", but the content is still adding to the already known corruption of the DNC.


Wat. I am sorry, but that is a ludicrous statement. You wear your biases out on your sleeve in this thread. Which is fine, everyone has a bias, but at least own it. Don't try to pretend to some kind of shallow objectivity to try to push whatever point you're trying to make.


I really wish there was some way to distinguish between harmless bias, the fact that we are subjective people, and harmful bias, when we let that obvious fact influence our viewing of the situations in a dishonest and/or indefensible fashion. Until there is, "you're biased" is such a meaningless sentence...
No will to live, no wish to die
TMagpie
Profile Joined June 2015
265 Posts
July 24 2016 11:20 GMT
#88459
On July 24 2016 05:21 Godwrath wrote:
@Nyxisto i am not asking about nowadays. Somewhere, and somewhen it had to start. I believe that the answer is probably somewhere in the middle between both.

Show nested quote +
On July 24 2016 05:02 farvacola wrote:
Hispanic migrant farming in the US is well over a century old as a standard practice and has effectively dug itself a nice little labor hole that only the dirt poor and transient can fill. Fixing that hole artificially through kicking people out or suddenly making migrant farming untenable is going to send shockwaves through the US food industry and given the fact that food costs disproportionately affect the lower class, it should be clear who's going to bear the brunt of that.

Hmm, are the margins really that low to make it impossible to stay at the same price or to atleast not have a massive bump? I thought your vegetables/fruits were kinda expensive already.


Food in the US used to be super expensive, subsidies allowed the food to be cheaper. Slave labor of immigrants made it even cheaper. This is not relevant to citizens, this is relevant to fast food industries and the meat industry. So long as it's cheaper to buy feed than it is to have animals be grass fed--then the meat industry will be affordable. This means canned goods, fast food, microwave meals, etc...

if you tell farmers to take their costs and then doubling it, food will all double in price. That's just how it works.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 24 2016 13:11 GMT
#88460
On July 24 2016 19:39 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2016 13:34 biology]major wrote:
On July 24 2016 13:28 Plansix wrote:
It won't, because no one trusts that tabloid.


As I said, I understand the bias involved in documentaries and didn't go into watching this with a preemptive negative attitude towards Clinton. I also never read or watched things from this "tabloid", but the content is still adding to the already known corruption of the DNC.


Wat. I am sorry, but that is a ludicrous statement. You wear your biases out on your sleeve in this thread. Which is fine, everyone has a bias, but at least own it. Don't try to pretend to some kind of shallow objectivity to try to push whatever point you're trying to make.


I'm biased, no doubt about it. I'm also biased against propaganda pieces and documentaries too, so it kind of cancelled out. The facts still make her look really shady. Unless the facts presented were outright lies,I don't have the time to fact check everything in that documentary.
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