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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45253 Posts
July 24 2016 15:44 GMT
#88481
What a "por" attempt to fake support...

http://www.dailydot.com/irl/latinos-para-trump-sign/?fb=ss&prtnr=mic
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
July 24 2016 15:54 GMT
#88482
In their defense, I too had difficulty differentiating between "por" and "para" in 8th grade Spanish.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 16:18:39
July 24 2016 16:09 GMT
#88483
On July 24 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


The discourse on immigration reform by the Republican party has fallen from grace. Not to mention Reagan literally saying "Rather than putting up a fence..." lmao.

LOL ... what a shame. You think it's good ? Their argument is basically "there is a 40 to 50 % unemployment in Mexico so it's okay we can accept some mexicain who are hard working".
Damn, anyone else than an idiot should be shocked at the fact that the unemployment rate (not even talking about poverty) in Mexico was / is so high. Help mexico, rather than syphonning their life force. The state of the world is so sickening. The rise of a Trump like figure was bound to happen if your only response to the poverty of others is to accept a small portion of their citizens to work in slave like condition. And with the rise of environmental migration, things will get worse and worse. Seriously, accepting a migrants with open harms is not a long term solution.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9169 Posts
July 24 2016 16:18 GMT
#88484
On July 25 2016 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What a "por" attempt to fake support...

http://www.dailydot.com/irl/latinos-para-trump-sign/?fb=ss&prtnr=mic

Maybe they are offering latinos as sacrifice to Trump, then 'para' would be correct
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11409 Posts
July 24 2016 16:23 GMT
#88485
Diehard Sanders backers descend on Democratic convention vowing 'Bernie or Bust'
Is the rumblings of what you are talking about GreenHorizon? DemExit?
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2016 16:56 GMT
#88486
Bernie or bust. Bernie doesn't want the nomination at this point, he won't get the support.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 17:00:08
July 24 2016 16:59 GMT
#88487
Wow just heard Donald Trump has talked about a possible US exit from the WTO. This guy is freaking mad, he's ready to watch the world burn to a crisp.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
July 24 2016 17:06 GMT
#88488
not only that but apparently all international agreements that Trump doesn't like. He's completely nuts
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 17:13:33
July 24 2016 17:09 GMT
#88489
On July 25 2016 02:06 Nyxisto wrote:
not only that but apparently all international agreements that Trump doesn't like. He's completely nuts

I can understand the end of certain agreement and a renegociation state by state like he argued in his discourse (because agreements are more about legislation on trading and goods & services rather than tarriff agreements nowadays). I even believe that to be a good move, but a flat out US exit from the WTO, in the current situation, is like dropping a nuke on international trade.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9169 Posts
July 24 2016 17:13 GMT
#88490
On July 25 2016 02:06 Nyxisto wrote:
not only that but apparently all international agreements that Trump doesn't like. He's completely nuts

Yet this doesn't hurt him much, people are buying the whole 'he's a deal maker, he'll replace NATO/WTO/UN with something that's more advantageous to America'. Hell, we've seen it in this thread plenty of times.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 17:20:47
July 24 2016 17:15 GMT
#88491
On July 25 2016 02:13 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2016 02:06 Nyxisto wrote:
not only that but apparently all international agreements that Trump doesn't like. He's completely nuts

Yet this doesn't hurt him much, people are buying the whole 'he's a deal maker, he'll replace NATO/WTO/UN with something that's more advantageous to America'. Hell, we've seen it in this thread plenty of times.

Considering the US trade deficit, this might be entirely true, but what about the effect of such move on the world that basically life off thanks to US consumption... You can't do that unilaterally, you need negociation to find a new common ground unless you're ready to see the world turn into shit in no time (and, at that point, your wall will be of no importance to prevent migrants from coming in in increasing numbers).
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22079 Posts
July 24 2016 17:16 GMT
#88492
On July 25 2016 01:23 Falling wrote:
Diehard Sanders backers descend on Democratic convention vowing 'Bernie or Bust'
Is the rumblings of what you are talking about GreenHorizon? DemExit?

You have to wonder if these people know how the primary process works.
Your candidate lost, he lost the vote by every metric.
No your candidate is not still getting the nomination and there is no amount of hostage taking you can try to do to change that.

I believe the word they are looking for is...
Sore losers, and no one likes a sore loser.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 17:28:16
July 24 2016 17:27 GMT
#88493
Also ending the Paris climate agreement would be an absolute disaster, and he seems to be dead set on this no matter what. This kind of attitude to completely fuck over the rest of the world because some people seem to be unhappy about what's going on in their lives is a little problematic
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 24 2016 17:33 GMT
#88494
Isn't it obvious to y'all yet that the middle class is rebelling against the current global and social world order because they've decided that it doesn't comparatively benefit them?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22079 Posts
July 24 2016 17:36 GMT
#88495
On July 25 2016 02:33 xDaunt wrote:
Isn't it obvious to y'all yet that the middle class is rebelling against the current global and social world order because they've decided that it doesn't comparatively benefit them?

*some people who do not know what they are actually rebelling against have decided to blame the rest of the world for their problems*
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 24 2016 17:37 GMT
#88496
On July 25 2016 02:33 xDaunt wrote:
Isn't it obvious to y'all yet that the middle class is rebelling against the current global and social world order because they've decided that it doesn't comparatively benefit them?

it's not the middle class; it's a subset of the middle class. And in some of the cases, they're just plain wrong. in some they're right of course.
People can decide whatever they decide; we can still mock them if they're blatantly wrong though.
And especially someone running for president should really know better; and hence deserves additional mocking.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-24 17:42:34
July 24 2016 17:40 GMT
#88497
On July 25 2016 02:33 xDaunt wrote:
Isn't it obvious to y'all yet that the middle class is rebelling against the current global and social world order because they've decided that it doesn't comparatively benefit them?


you don't set your house on fire because the fridge isn't working. Tearing the global economy down is going to do exactly nothing to improve their live. When large parts of the population decide to act in purely destructive manner you have a big problem.

I also don't think it's even purely a class issue any more. It's not just the economically disenfranchised but also people who think that 'their' America or Europe or whatever is being taken away.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 24 2016 17:47 GMT
#88498
On July 25 2016 02:33 xDaunt wrote:
Isn't it obvious to y'all yet that the middle class is rebelling against the current global and social world order because they've decided that it doesn't comparatively benefit them?

You can punch a hole in a wall to vent over your life's problems. But at the end of the day doing that doesn't fix any of the problems AND you now have a hole in your wall to fix.
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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
July 24 2016 17:51 GMT
#88499
On July 25 2016 02:36 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2016 02:33 xDaunt wrote:
Isn't it obvious to y'all yet that the middle class is rebelling against the current global and social world order because they've decided that it doesn't comparatively benefit them?

*some people who do not know what they are actually rebelling against have decided to blame the rest of the world for their problems*

Nice attempt at being smart. Actually its very precise why the climate against the "establishment" is this high today. Its the wealth distribution. I dont know how true the numbers are but we keep hearing over and over again how the top 1% hold 90% of wealth and people have basically accepted this as being true. Hence the "rebbelion" and if true, its a good thing to rebel against.
sorry for dem one liners
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2016 17:55 GMT
#88500
On July 25 2016 02:51 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2016 02:36 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 25 2016 02:33 xDaunt wrote:
Isn't it obvious to y'all yet that the middle class is rebelling against the current global and social world order because they've decided that it doesn't comparatively benefit them?

*some people who do not know what they are actually rebelling against have decided to blame the rest of the world for their problems*

Nice attempt at being smart. Actually its very precise why the climate against the "establishment" is this high today. Its the wealth distribution. I dont know how true the numbers are but we keep hearing over and over again how the top 1% hold 90% of wealth and people have basically accepted this as being true. Hence the "rebbelion" and if true, its a good thing to rebel against.

Except he is right.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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