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On July 22 2016 05:30 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:06 Doodsmack wrote:
I'm hard pressed to believe Cruz is worse than Trump - or really that any actual politician is worse than Trump. Trump is clueless, unprepared and petty. He's almost a wash as a candidate, substantively. He would be absolutely dependent on those around him, and has not demonstrated an ability to build a highly competent apparatus around him. At least Ted Cruz has a bit of competence within government. I will take the clueless fool over the knowing psychopath.
do the same in november!
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On July 22 2016 05:11 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 22 2016 04:04 Mohdoo wrote:On July 22 2016 04:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 22 2016 03:55 farvacola wrote:
It'll be nice when the DNC finally rolls around so GH can stop with all this "I'm secretly getting insider information even though I'm as outside as it gets" nonsense. I'm talking with several national delegates who are plenty "inside". I'll post pictures from the cruise after it happens. How about this: Make your prediction what you think will happen. We'll hold you to that prediction. Saying you "know something" is meaningless. Either say what you are predicting, or stop with the pretentious nonsense. Bernie endorsed Clinton, something you insisted would never happen. It was a great endorsement at that. It's been confirmed by the delegations that Bernie was told if he didn't "endorse" he wouldn't be invited to speak at the convention and his delegates might not be allowed to participate either. That would include getting his folks on the platform committee and such I'm not spilling the beans on the plan on the off chance it gets back to HillaryCo. It should just be pretty clear the party isn't as united as people would like to project. My prediction was that if people think the DNC convention is going to be an example of party unity, they are going to be disappointed. Wait.... lemme get this straight... You have some insider info that you are reluctant to post on a internet forum because it might "gets back to HillaryCo"...? .
Yup. I want them to be blindsided and I'm not going to give them any more than they already know. They know something is happening (and are trying like hell to prevent it, including spies as mentioned before) but they don't know what, and it's going to be good  .
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On July 22 2016 05:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:11 ragz_gt wrote:On July 22 2016 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 22 2016 04:04 Mohdoo wrote:On July 22 2016 04:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 22 2016 03:55 farvacola wrote:
It'll be nice when the DNC finally rolls around so GH can stop with all this "I'm secretly getting insider information even though I'm as outside as it gets" nonsense. I'm talking with several national delegates who are plenty "inside". I'll post pictures from the cruise after it happens. How about this: Make your prediction what you think will happen. We'll hold you to that prediction. Saying you "know something" is meaningless. Either say what you are predicting, or stop with the pretentious nonsense. Bernie endorsed Clinton, something you insisted would never happen. It was a great endorsement at that. It's been confirmed by the delegations that Bernie was told if he didn't "endorse" he wouldn't be invited to speak at the convention and his delegates might not be allowed to participate either. That would include getting his folks on the platform committee and such I'm not spilling the beans on the plan on the off chance it gets back to HillaryCo. It should just be pretty clear the party isn't as united as people would like to project. My prediction was that if people think the DNC convention is going to be an example of party unity, they are going to be disappointed. Wait.... lemme get this straight... You have some insider info that you are reluctant to post on a internet forum because it might "gets back to HillaryCo"...? . Yup. I want them to be blindsided and I'm not going to give them any more than they already know. They know something is happening (and are trying like hell to prevent it, including spies as mentioned before) but they don't know what, and it's going to be good .
whatever it is that y'all are scheming, make it entertaining please. I know the dnc is going to be tame compared to rnc but not if bernie supporters step up and cause a ruckus
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On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business.
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently.
Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair).
I think fiscal conservatives would be a lot more comfortable with Trump if he was consistent with his fiscal views-but he's really not. He's waffled all over tax plans, the ACA, and the like, and put his foot in his mouth over international trade quite a bit. Protectionism and the like are pretty out of favor in fiscal conservative circles as well, and that's a good chunk of his more consistent rhetoric.
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GH isn't actually a part of anything and y'all are doing him no favors by pretending otherwise.
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I have stopped taking his claims of insider political knowledge seriously long ago.
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On July 22 2016 05:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:11 ragz_gt wrote:On July 22 2016 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 22 2016 04:04 Mohdoo wrote:On July 22 2016 04:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 22 2016 03:55 farvacola wrote:
It'll be nice when the DNC finally rolls around so GH can stop with all this "I'm secretly getting insider information even though I'm as outside as it gets" nonsense. I'm talking with several national delegates who are plenty "inside". I'll post pictures from the cruise after it happens. How about this: Make your prediction what you think will happen. We'll hold you to that prediction. Saying you "know something" is meaningless. Either say what you are predicting, or stop with the pretentious nonsense. Bernie endorsed Clinton, something you insisted would never happen. It was a great endorsement at that. It's been confirmed by the delegations that Bernie was told if he didn't "endorse" he wouldn't be invited to speak at the convention and his delegates might not be allowed to participate either. That would include getting his folks on the platform committee and such I'm not spilling the beans on the plan on the off chance it gets back to HillaryCo. It should just be pretty clear the party isn't as united as people would like to project. My prediction was that if people think the DNC convention is going to be an example of party unity, they are going to be disappointed. Wait.... lemme get this straight... You have some insider info that you are reluctant to post on a internet forum because it might "gets back to HillaryCo"...? . Yup. I want them to be blindsided and I'm not going to give them any more than they already know. They know something is happening (and are trying like hell to prevent it, including spies as mentioned before) but they don't know what, and it's going to be good .
We all know you're full of it; but have fun believing (or whatever it is you're doing)
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On July 22 2016 05:39 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:30 Gorsameth wrote:On July 22 2016 05:06 Doodsmack wrote:
I'm hard pressed to believe Cruz is worse than Trump - or really that any actual politician is worse than Trump. Trump is clueless, unprepared and petty. He's almost a wash as a candidate, substantively. He would be absolutely dependent on those around him, and has not demonstrated an ability to build a highly competent apparatus around him. At least Ted Cruz has a bit of competence within government. I will take the clueless fool over the knowing psychopath. do the same in november!
That is a legit reason to vote for trump depending on your view of Hilary, sure.
The election of tofu sandwich vs shit sandwich! Murica! (and it works both ways)
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On July 22 2016 05:39 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:30 Gorsameth wrote:On July 22 2016 05:06 Doodsmack wrote:
I'm hard pressed to believe Cruz is worse than Trump - or really that any actual politician is worse than Trump. Trump is clueless, unprepared and petty. He's almost a wash as a candidate, substantively. He would be absolutely dependent on those around him, and has not demonstrated an ability to build a highly competent apparatus around him. At least Ted Cruz has a bit of competence within government. I will take the clueless fool over the knowing psychopath. do the same in november!
Why, what happens in November?
Oh right, your election. Dont think they allow dutch nationals to vote in that.
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On July 22 2016 05:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business.
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently.
Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). I think fiscal conservatives would be a lot more comfortable with Trump if he was consistent with his fiscal views-but he's really not. He's waffled all over tax plans, the ACA, and the like, and put his foot in his mouth over international trade quite a bit. Protectionism and the like are pretty out of favor in fiscal conservative circles as well, and that's a good chunk of his more consistent rhetoric.
You're right, he is random and a loose cannon.
That said, if you don't want someone who is very religious, or someone who is very progressive socially (maybe Hillary is currently appearing more-so because of appealing to Bernie supporters)... While still in theory fiscal conservative, then it seems like the right person.
I think he's been pretty consistent with his message of less regulation, more free markets, privatize more things for efficiency and competition purposes. I view his protectionism more so about foreign policy than about economics, obviously they are intertwined, but my takeaway message from it is have more beneficial trade deals for the US, and outside of giving preferential treatment to US companies and citizens, for what's inside the country, he'd like it to be a competitive market. However, he wants to stop the focus on the pure service economy of today, and focus on goods as well. Honestly, I'm not sure what the long term effect of having a service based economy, but to me it seems to be very beneficial in the short term, but with long term costs and a lack of innovation and technological progress.
I am extracting most of the information by reading in between the lines and extracting what I think about the candidate, rather than listening to what they say, as I think right now, both candidates are lying through their teeth to get votes and appeal to wider bases.
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On July 22 2016 06:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business.
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently.
Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). I think fiscal conservatives would be a lot more comfortable with Trump if he was consistent with his fiscal views-but he's really not. He's waffled all over tax plans, the ACA, and the like, and put his foot in his mouth over international trade quite a bit. Protectionism and the like are pretty out of favor in fiscal conservative circles as well, and that's a good chunk of his more consistent rhetoric. You're right, he is random and a loose cannon. That said, if you don't want someone who is very religious, or someone who is very progressive socially (maybe Hillary is currently appearing more-so because of appealing to Bernie supporters)... While still in theory fiscal conservative, then it seems like the right person. I think he's been pretty consistent with his message of less regulation, more free markets, privatize more things for efficiency and competition purposes. I view his protectionism more so about foreign policy than about economics, obviously they are intertwined, but my takeaway message from it is have more beneficial trade deals for the US, and outside of giving preferential treatment to US companies and citizens, for what's inside the country, he'd like it to be a competitive market. However, he wants to stop the focus on the pure service economy of today, and focus on goods as well. Honestly, I'm not sure what the long term effect of having a service based economy, but to me it seems to be very beneficial in the short term, but with long term costs and a lack of innovation and technological progress. I am extracting most of the information by reading in between the lines and extracting what I think about the candidate, rather than listening to what they say, as I think right now, both candidates are lying through their teeth to get votes and appeal to wider basis.
You got that right!
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On July 22 2016 05:49 farvacola wrote:
GH isn't actually a part of anything and y'all are doing him no favors by pretending otherwise.
Haha, just to be clear, you guys are expecting Bernie delegates to just fall in line and no signs of division?
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On July 22 2016 06:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business.
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently.
Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). I think fiscal conservatives would be a lot more comfortable with Trump if he was consistent with his fiscal views-but he's really not. He's waffled all over tax plans, the ACA, and the like, and put his foot in his mouth over international trade quite a bit. Protectionism and the like are pretty out of favor in fiscal conservative circles as well, and that's a good chunk of his more consistent rhetoric. I am extracting most of the information by reading in between the lines and extracting what I think about the candidate, rather than listening to what they say, as I think right now, both candidates are lying through their teeth to get votes and appeal to wider bases.
+ Show Spoiler +"I am reinterpreting Trump's statements entirely in my own way".
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On July 22 2016 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 22 2016 05:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business.
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently.
Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). I think fiscal conservatives would be a lot more comfortable with Trump if he was consistent with his fiscal views-but he's really not. He's waffled all over tax plans, the ACA, and the like, and put his foot in his mouth over international trade quite a bit. Protectionism and the like are pretty out of favor in fiscal conservative circles as well, and that's a good chunk of his more consistent rhetoric. I am extracting most of the information by reading in between the lines and extracting what I think about the candidate, rather than listening to what they say, as I think right now, both candidates are lying through their teeth to get votes and appeal to wider bases. + Show Spoiler +"I am reinterpreting Trump's statements entirely in my own way".
Yep, most Trump supporters do.
Otherwise he'd lose the election because the media would take everything out of context, and too many people wouldn't spend the time to educate themselves (or know how). Imo it's a sorry sight for anyone to take what the candidates say at face value...
Just look at the two camps, it's two propaganda machines hard at work, anyone thinks otherwise is... well, ignorant of the system.
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On July 22 2016 06:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:On July 22 2016 06:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 22 2016 05:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business.
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently.
Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). I think fiscal conservatives would be a lot more comfortable with Trump if he was consistent with his fiscal views-but he's really not. He's waffled all over tax plans, the ACA, and the like, and put his foot in his mouth over international trade quite a bit. Protectionism and the like are pretty out of favor in fiscal conservative circles as well, and that's a good chunk of his more consistent rhetoric. I am extracting most of the information by reading in between the lines and extracting what I think about the candidate, rather than listening to what they say, as I think right now, both candidates are lying through their teeth to get votes and appeal to wider bases. + Show Spoiler +"I am reinterpreting Trump's statements entirely in my own way". Yep, most Trump supporters do. Otherwise he'd lose the election because the media would take everything out of context, and too many people wouldn't spend the time to educate themselves (or know how).
Reinterpreting entirely in your own way does not constitute educating yourself. It constitutes wanting to believe something.
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On July 22 2016 06:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:49 farvacola wrote:
GH isn't actually a part of anything and y'all are doing him no favors by pretending otherwise. Haha, just to be clear, you guys are expecting Bernie delegates to just fall in line and no signs of division?
As long as Hillary gets the correct number of delegates relative to the primary results, I don’t see a problem with the Bernie delegates getting to vote how they want. I think it would be very foolish to force the fake party unity that the RNC attempted.
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On July 22 2016 06:22 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 22 2016 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:On July 22 2016 06:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 22 2016 05:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business.
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently.
Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). I think fiscal conservatives would be a lot more comfortable with Trump if he was consistent with his fiscal views-but he's really not. He's waffled all over tax plans, the ACA, and the like, and put his foot in his mouth over international trade quite a bit. Protectionism and the like are pretty out of favor in fiscal conservative circles as well, and that's a good chunk of his more consistent rhetoric. I am extracting most of the information by reading in between the lines and extracting what I think about the candidate, rather than listening to what they say, as I think right now, both candidates are lying through their teeth to get votes and appeal to wider bases. + Show Spoiler +"I am reinterpreting Trump's statements entirely in my own way". Yep, most Trump supporters do. Otherwise he'd lose the election because the media would take everything out of context, and too many people wouldn't spend the time to educate themselves (or know how). Reinterpreting entirely in your own way does not constitute educating yourself. It constitutes wanting to believe something.
It's not "reinterpreting," it's just "interpreting," which is the same thing the media itself does to begin with.
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On July 22 2016 06:26 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:22 Doodsmack wrote:On July 22 2016 06:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 22 2016 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:On July 22 2016 06:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 22 2016 05:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business.
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently.
Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). I think fiscal conservatives would be a lot more comfortable with Trump if he was consistent with his fiscal views-but he's really not. He's waffled all over tax plans, the ACA, and the like, and put his foot in his mouth over international trade quite a bit. Protectionism and the like are pretty out of favor in fiscal conservative circles as well, and that's a good chunk of his more consistent rhetoric. I am extracting most of the information by reading in between the lines and extracting what I think about the candidate, rather than listening to what they say, as I think right now, both candidates are lying through their teeth to get votes and appeal to wider bases. + Show Spoiler +"I am reinterpreting Trump's statements entirely in my own way". Yep, most Trump supporters do. Otherwise he'd lose the election because the media would take everything out of context, and too many people wouldn't spend the time to educate themselves (or know how). Reinterpreting entirely in your own way does not constitute educating yourself. It constitutes wanting to believe something. It's not "reinterpreting," it's just "interpreting," which is the same thing the media itself does to begin with.
Okay you can take off the re but the point remains the same.
And why does every statement in support of Trump have to also criticize the media? Is Trump a good candidate independent of media coverage of him (which he wants and loves)?
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On July 22 2016 06:22 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 22 2016 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:On July 22 2016 06:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 22 2016 05:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business.
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently.
Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). I think fiscal conservatives would be a lot more comfortable with Trump if he was consistent with his fiscal views-but he's really not. He's waffled all over tax plans, the ACA, and the like, and put his foot in his mouth over international trade quite a bit. Protectionism and the like are pretty out of favor in fiscal conservative circles as well, and that's a good chunk of his more consistent rhetoric. I am extracting most of the information by reading in between the lines and extracting what I think about the candidate, rather than listening to what they say, as I think right now, both candidates are lying through their teeth to get votes and appeal to wider bases. + Show Spoiler +"I am reinterpreting Trump's statements entirely in my own way". Yep, most Trump supporters do. Otherwise he'd lose the election because the media would take everything out of context, and too many people wouldn't spend the time to educate themselves (or know how). Reinterpreting entirely in your own way does not constitute educating yourself. It constitutes wanting to believe something.
We should not discuss further.
It's not entirely in my own way, others interpret it in the same way - like I said, anyone who listens to an election at face value is a fool. To win elections you have to do some of this stuff, to make everyone happy, you have to be able to send multiple messages to different people. At the end of the day, extracting their values and character and voting on that is really what you should do imo.
If that wasn't the case, Hillary would be sweeping the election.
edit: Good way to say it oBlade, thanks.
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On July 22 2016 06:29 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:22 Doodsmack wrote:On July 22 2016 06:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 22 2016 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:On July 22 2016 06:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 22 2016 05:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business.
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently.
Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). I think fiscal conservatives would be a lot more comfortable with Trump if he was consistent with his fiscal views-but he's really not. He's waffled all over tax plans, the ACA, and the like, and put his foot in his mouth over international trade quite a bit. Protectionism and the like are pretty out of favor in fiscal conservative circles as well, and that's a good chunk of his more consistent rhetoric. I am extracting most of the information by reading in between the lines and extracting what I think about the candidate, rather than listening to what they say, as I think right now, both candidates are lying through their teeth to get votes and appeal to wider bases. + Show Spoiler +"I am reinterpreting Trump's statements entirely in my own way". Yep, most Trump supporters do. Otherwise he'd lose the election because the media would take everything out of context, and too many people wouldn't spend the time to educate themselves (or know how). Reinterpreting entirely in your own way does not constitute educating yourself. It constitutes wanting to believe something. We should not discuss further. It's not entirely in my own way, others interpret it in the same way - like I said, anyone who listens to an election at face value is a fool. To win elections you have to do some of this stuff, to make everyone happy, you have to be able to send multiple messages to different people. At the end of the day, extracting their values and character and voting on that is really what you should do imo. If that wasn't the case, Hillary would be sweeping the election. edit: Good way to say it oBlade, thanks.
You're still just making up what Trump's supposed ideas are. It's not standard for someone to believe their candidate's ideas are so different than the words coming out of the candidate's mouth. Trump is exceptional in this regard.
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