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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Is there no one left in either party but him who has any balls literally or metaphorically Trump and Hillary are both bad people and bad candidates and either one will be bad president but no one in their own parties dare say it anymore Except my man Teddy | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On July 22 2016 04:43 DeepElemBlues wrote: Ted Cruz still my hero ^^ Is there no one left in either party but him who has any balls literally or metaphorically Trump and Hillary are both bad people and bad candidates and either one will be bad president but no one in their own parties dare say it anymore Except my man Teddy Can't tell if sarcasm or not. Ted Cruz is literally the most disliked politician in Washington with people who are at least vaguely informed in who exists. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 22 2016 04:45 FiWiFaKi wrote: Can't tell if sarcasm or not. Ted Cruz is literally the most disliked politician in Washington with people who are at least vaguely informed in who exists. As must as I dislike Trump, Cruz scares me a lot more. The stories of him waiting after hours in as a clerk for the Supreme Court just to deny death sentence appeals are chilling. There is literally no one who has worked with him who likes him. And I do believe he would say and do anything to get elected/obtain power. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On July 22 2016 04:45 FiWiFaKi wrote: Can't tell if sarcasm or not. Ted Cruz is literally the most disliked politician in Washington with people who are at least vaguely informed in who exists. This has literally nothing to do with what I said. His not being liked has nothing to do with him being the last person left in either party willing to say that their candidate is a shitshow. On July 22 2016 04:48 Plansix wrote: As must as I dislike Trump, Cruz scares me a lot more. The stories of him waiting after hours in as a clerk for the Supreme Court just to deny death sentence appeals are chilling. There is literally no one who has worked with him who likes him. And I do believe he would say and do anything to get elected/obtain power. I would have done the same. The death penalty appeals he denied were for people who had done some extremely horrific things to other people. Kidnapping, rape, then murder, torture, then murder, murdering families, the gamut of the worst things humans can do to other humans. Now I understand some people don't care about that, but at least Cruz still does. Some people put themselves entirely outside of human civilization through their actions and do not deserve to live anymore, if I believe that a person has done that I wouldn't do anything to potentially help save them either no matter what it made people think about me. Also don't care how much he is disliked, somehow he was still the only person able to fight back against Trump effectively even if it was for only about two weeks. That speaks to a certain competence and fortitude in the man that rises above career politicians and bureaucrats not liking him. Not sure how "all of these corrupt poll slaves that 70% of the populace hates, none of them likes you!" is an effective attack against the man *shrug* We have two examples of people who would say and do anything to get elected, they are the nominees for the Republican and Democratic parties. Cruz didn't get the nomination so I'd say he didn't do or say anything to get elected to the nomination. He didn't suggest Trump is maybe responsible for mob murders because some guy told him Trump had connections to the mob the way Trump said Ted Cruz's father was maybe responsible for killing JFK because some guy told him he was *connected* to Oswald. Maybe Cruz should have confirmed your suspicion, maybe then we wouldn't have Trump. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Which is more than I can say for every other candidate in the Republican race except Trump, mind you. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently. Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15721 Posts
On July 22 2016 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote: It's been confirmed by the delegations that Bernie was told if he didn't "endorse" he wouldn't be invited to speak at the convention and his delegates might not be allowed to participate either. That would include getting his folks on the platform committee and such I'm not spilling the beans on the plan on the off chance it gets back to HillaryCo. It should just be pretty clear the party isn't as united as people would like to project. My prediction was that if people think the DNC convention is going to be an example of party unity, they are going to be disappointed. I can't believe you think you would know things the Clinton camp doesn't. I guarantee you that there are multiple people who are purely tasked with issues like that. Political spy networks are strong and really good at what they do. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On July 22 2016 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote: It's been confirmed by the delegations that Bernie was told if he didn't "endorse" he wouldn't be invited to speak at the convention and his delegates might not be allowed to participate either. That would include getting his folks on the platform committee and such I'm not spilling the beans on the plan on the off chance it gets back to HillaryCo. It should just be pretty clear the party isn't as united as people would like to project. My prediction was that if people think the DNC convention is going to be an example of party unity, they are going to be disappointed. Wait.... lemme get this straight... You have some insider info that you are reluctant to post on a internet forum because it might "gets back to HillaryCo"...? On July 22 2016 05:06 Doodsmack wrote: I'm hard pressed to believe Cruz is worse than Trump - or really that any actual politician is worse than Trump. Trump is clueless, unprepared and petty. He's almost a wash as a candidate, substantively. He would be absolutely dependent on those around him, and has not demonstrated an ability to build a highly competent apparatus around him. At least Ted Cruz has a bit of competence within government. Well, it all depends on how sinister / evil you think Cruz is. It's better to have someone evil an incompetent than evil and competent I suppose. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 22 2016 05:06 FiWiFaKi wrote: Cruz took politics way too personally, and I think that's a big weakness of a candidate. Donald Trump will relentlessly attack someone to win, but he shrugs it off, it's nothing personal, just business. He has made it clear he doesn't agree with Trump, but either way, comes November, it's Trump or Hillary... And as a Cruz supporter, you really should find a lot more comfort in Trump than Hillary, so you've got to stop being stubborn instead of just handing over votes to Hillary if you're so against her. We all know we don't have the best candidates, partly due to who was running on the Democratic side, and party due to voters jumping on the Trump train... Because fuck Washington apparently. Either way, if you're a fiscal conservative, and centrist/mildly-progressive when it comes to social policy, at least the ideas of Trump are what's the most logical to side with imo. Saying otherwise, I think you haven't taken a proper look and might be reading a lot of liberal media, or are too bothered by his vulgarity and his silly antics (which is fair). The ideas of Trump? His tax plan is about as viable as biblical tithing. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 22 2016 05:14 Doodsmack wrote: The ideas of Trump? His tax plan is about as viable as biblical tithing. I like how he suggested we end the limits on all campaign donations from private citizens. And cut taxes for the rich…again. On July 22 2016 05:11 Reaps wrote: Cruz is a religious homophobic lunatic, him sharing the stage and shaking hands with Kevin Swanson at an anti gay rally was enough to show you what kind of person he is. The fact that the Supreme Court clerks had nothing nice to say about him was amazing. That the once place in DC where the politics ends and they are civil to each other. But they had nothing nice to say about Cruz. Even the conservative clerks. | ||
Falling
Canada11363 Posts
His tax plan is about as viable as biblical tithing. In what sense is Biblical tithing not viable? Within the church it has worked up until the present day. Of course it's not intended to run a modern state government, only the Jewish priesthood later church leadership and/or missionaries, but that's a different matter. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21816 Posts
On July 22 2016 05:06 Doodsmack wrote: I'm hard pressed to believe Cruz is worse than Trump - or really that any actual politician is worse than Trump. Trump is clueless, unprepared and petty. He's almost a wash as a candidate, substantively. He would be absolutely dependent on those around him, and has not demonstrated an ability to build a highly competent apparatus around him. At least Ted Cruz has a bit of competence within government. I will take the clueless fool over the knowing psychopath. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Falling
Canada11363 Posts
On July 22 2016 05:30 ticklishmusic wrote: Flat % of income disproportionately affects lower income people who have less discretionary income Right, but within the church it is voluntary and then there is the whole: this woman who gave two mites gave more than the rich man. That is what I mean by what do you mean Biblical tithing is not viable- when applied to government, then yes, but within the church, then no. But it was a blanket declaration "it is not viable" rather than qualifying what was meant by that. | ||
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