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On July 20 2016 07:07 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +Activists from Black Lives Matter, Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK were in the square and were said to be throwing urine at each other. wat
Yea this source probably isn't that great, but there's a livefeed to the protests
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On July 20 2016 07:06 CorsairHero wrote:He turned a 2 million dollar purchase (14 years ago) into a 4 billion dollar sale last week.
Turns out he's Trump's friend from way back when he first bought UFC with casino industry money.
He's repeatedly stated in the past that he's apolitical and agrees with both parties on some issues but when Trump asked him to speak he wanted to show his loyalty to his friend so he agreed to come.
A ringing endorsement for anyone who needs to know if Trump would be a good friend to someone starting a MMA company in casinos. You may not agree with his policies but you know where he stands on UFC.
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CLEVELAND — Weakened and demoralized anti-Donald Trump activists, joined by a band of furious conservative delegates, are preparing to make a final stand here Tuesday, and it threatens to plunge the national convention into turmoil just hours before Republicans formally nominate Trump.
Though party rules purport to require delegates to vote for candidates based on their performance in state primaries and caucuses, this faction of rebellious delegates has argued for months that they should be free to vote their conscience instead. They failed to insert language affirming their belief in the party’s rules, and then failed to stop those rules from being adopted by the full convention Monday.
But they now intend to invoke the strategy anyway, voting against Trump in protest — and seeing if they can send a message about the party’s frustration with its soon-to-be standard-bearer.
“We’re still furious,” said Regina Thomson, a Colorado delegate who helped lead the “Free the Delegates” movement in support of the conscience vote. “Look how many hundreds of people took time off work, spent thousands of dollars to be here … their vote meant nothing from beginning to end. They’re angry and they should be.”
Invoking a conscience vote could spark a return to the convention floor chaos that marred the opening of the GOP convention Monday. The roll call, set to begin at 5:30 p.m., typically starts with Alabama and proceeds alphabetically through the 56 states and territories. The chair of each delegation — typically the governor or state party chair — announces to the convention how many votes its delegates cast for Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich and other candidates. But anti-Trump delegates may challenge those counts and force their states to poll their members. Under the rules, the chairman of the delegation is required to count the votes. But a new provision in the rules adopted this week requires that only the bound vote be counted by the convention secretary, Vermont delegate Susie Hudson.
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On July 20 2016 07:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/dear-steve-king-heres-what-asia-contributed-to-western-civilization/Show nested quote +Dear Steve King: Here's What Asia Contributed to Western Civilization
Rep. Steve King’s ahistorical commentary cannot go uncorrected.
By Akhilesh Pillalamarri
July 20, 2016
The Diplomat mainly focuses on the Asia-Pacific, the world’s most dynamic and strategically and economically important region. Moreover, Asia, as well as the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas have featured some the most culturally, philosophically, and scientifically sophisticated civilizations that humanity has ever produced.
So, given this, the comments of U.S. Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa regarding the civilizations of the world are a cause of great trepidation and sorrow. Referring to non-white people, King asked: “I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about — where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
He added his view that the greatest contributions to civilization came from “Western civilization itself…rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Unites States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”
What’s discouraging about King’s statements are that they resemble an increasingly common viewpoint in the discourse among the right and nationalists in the Western world and among the rank and file of the Republican Party in the United States. It is a discourse that does not match up with the facts about the historical development of civilizations.
Modern Western civilization, after all, is a relatively recent phenomenon that arose through the fusion of Roman and Christian ideas in Europe during the Medieval Era. Other civilizations preceded, influenced, and coexisted with the West.
At the same time it is important to clarify that the opposite perspective on Western civilization–that it contributed nothing of worth to the world except imperialism and exploitation, and was a mechanism to ensure the privilege of a few white males–embraced by many on the hard-left and among progressives is utterly wrong.
It would be as fallacious for one not to not be proud of the achievements of his or her own civilization as it would be to be to think that other civilizations contributed nothing to civilization. Certainly, for most of the past half-millennium, the West has been overwhelmingly dominant, in what has been termed the “Great Divergence.”
The Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the Enlightenment are among the unique contributions of the West–driven by unique institutional and historical factors–that enabled the scientific, medical, and political developments that have made world a better and more prosperous place than ever before. By the turn of the 20th century, virtually everyone in the non-West from the Japanese to the Ottomans was attempting to “catch up” with the West in the military, political, and economic spheres.
But we cannot and should not deny the achievements of other civilizations, both due to their own merits, and because of the contributions that enabled the modern, global civilization to come into being. And of course, in the sphere of music and the arts, it would be impossible to argue that non-Western civilizations were ever anything other than the equal of the West, as “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Civilization itself arose in the ancient Middle East. The desert biome of that region forced tribes to come together and cooperate in order to produce the irrigation systems necessary to produce enough food for everyone. This led to an increase in the complexity of social and political systems in order to induce cooperation.
Thus, in addition to the domestication of crops and animals, the first weights and measures, the first bureaucracies, organized government and religion, writing, and the wheel all arose in the ancient Middle East. In later times, that region, which became a part of Islamic civilization, gave the world algebra, distillation, and advanced astronomy and navigation, which Europeans used to sail all over the world.
India gave the world its numeric system, including the number zero, plastic surgery, steel production, and urban planning with sewage systems. And among China’s many contributions are paper, printing, gunpowder, the compass, and clocks. This is not to mention the various other crops domesticated, production techniques, and technical achievements of various other non-Western peoples.
Western civilization, and indeed the modern global civilization built largely by the West, would have been impossible without the contributions to civilization from the people of the rest of the world. This is not to disparage the achievements of the West; nor should we ignore the historical failings of other civilizations. But we ought to remember and celebrate the contributions to civilization from all the peoples of the world.
Today, as the era of Western domination draws to a close and as other nations have borrowed much of the best from the West, we should expect to see many more contributions to civilization from outside the West, and from among non-White or non-Christian people in the West itself.
This is the apologism of the politically correct at its finest. And attacking the margins of a larger point is an incredibly lame and ineffective way of shitting on the larger point itself. If anything, all it does prove the larger point.
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On July 20 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/dear-steve-king-heres-what-asia-contributed-to-western-civilization/Dear Steve King: Here's What Asia Contributed to Western Civilization
Rep. Steve King’s ahistorical commentary cannot go uncorrected.
By Akhilesh Pillalamarri
July 20, 2016
The Diplomat mainly focuses on the Asia-Pacific, the world’s most dynamic and strategically and economically important region. Moreover, Asia, as well as the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas have featured some the most culturally, philosophically, and scientifically sophisticated civilizations that humanity has ever produced.
So, given this, the comments of U.S. Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa regarding the civilizations of the world are a cause of great trepidation and sorrow. Referring to non-white people, King asked: “I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about — where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
He added his view that the greatest contributions to civilization came from “Western civilization itself…rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Unites States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”
What’s discouraging about King’s statements are that they resemble an increasingly common viewpoint in the discourse among the right and nationalists in the Western world and among the rank and file of the Republican Party in the United States. It is a discourse that does not match up with the facts about the historical development of civilizations.
Modern Western civilization, after all, is a relatively recent phenomenon that arose through the fusion of Roman and Christian ideas in Europe during the Medieval Era. Other civilizations preceded, influenced, and coexisted with the West.
At the same time it is important to clarify that the opposite perspective on Western civilization–that it contributed nothing of worth to the world except imperialism and exploitation, and was a mechanism to ensure the privilege of a few white males–embraced by many on the hard-left and among progressives is utterly wrong.
It would be as fallacious for one not to not be proud of the achievements of his or her own civilization as it would be to be to think that other civilizations contributed nothing to civilization. Certainly, for most of the past half-millennium, the West has been overwhelmingly dominant, in what has been termed the “Great Divergence.”
The Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the Enlightenment are among the unique contributions of the West–driven by unique institutional and historical factors–that enabled the scientific, medical, and political developments that have made world a better and more prosperous place than ever before. By the turn of the 20th century, virtually everyone in the non-West from the Japanese to the Ottomans was attempting to “catch up” with the West in the military, political, and economic spheres.
But we cannot and should not deny the achievements of other civilizations, both due to their own merits, and because of the contributions that enabled the modern, global civilization to come into being. And of course, in the sphere of music and the arts, it would be impossible to argue that non-Western civilizations were ever anything other than the equal of the West, as “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Civilization itself arose in the ancient Middle East. The desert biome of that region forced tribes to come together and cooperate in order to produce the irrigation systems necessary to produce enough food for everyone. This led to an increase in the complexity of social and political systems in order to induce cooperation.
Thus, in addition to the domestication of crops and animals, the first weights and measures, the first bureaucracies, organized government and religion, writing, and the wheel all arose in the ancient Middle East. In later times, that region, which became a part of Islamic civilization, gave the world algebra, distillation, and advanced astronomy and navigation, which Europeans used to sail all over the world.
India gave the world its numeric system, including the number zero, plastic surgery, steel production, and urban planning with sewage systems. And among China’s many contributions are paper, printing, gunpowder, the compass, and clocks. This is not to mention the various other crops domesticated, production techniques, and technical achievements of various other non-Western peoples.
Western civilization, and indeed the modern global civilization built largely by the West, would have been impossible without the contributions to civilization from the people of the rest of the world. This is not to disparage the achievements of the West; nor should we ignore the historical failings of other civilizations. But we ought to remember and celebrate the contributions to civilization from all the peoples of the world.
Today, as the era of Western domination draws to a close and as other nations have borrowed much of the best from the West, we should expect to see many more contributions to civilization from outside the West, and from among non-White or non-Christian people in the West itself.
This is the apologism of the politically correct at its finest. And attacking the margins of a larger point is an incredibly lame and ineffective way of shitting on the larger point itself. If anything, all it does prove the larger point.
Disagreeing with white supremacism is politically correct now?
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On July 20 2016 07:07 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +Activists from Black Lives Matter, Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK were in the square and were said to be throwing urine at each other. wat
I find the accuracy of that claim to be questionable.
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On July 20 2016 07:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:07 Falling wrote:Activists from Black Lives Matter, Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK were in the square and were said to be throwing urine at each other. wat I find the accuracy of that claim to be questionable.
In any event, the live stream is pretty tame currently. Just a lot of citizens and police standing around.
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On July 20 2016 07:08 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 06:59 PassiveAce wrote:
He actually got the manager of trump winery a speaking slot.
Presumably he will attest to the quality of trump wine? Not sure what else he could be there to talk about. And what's with the Governor of Arkansas being a speaker? Trump's not from Arkansas, so I don't get it - what a dumpster fire.
If you don't see the difference between a elected state official and the general manager of a winery I dunno what to tell you rofl
If trump wins the Food and Beverage guy at the Mar-a-Lago is gonna be running the RNC lol
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On July 20 2016 07:14 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:On July 20 2016 07:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/dear-steve-king-heres-what-asia-contributed-to-western-civilization/Dear Steve King: Here's What Asia Contributed to Western Civilization
Rep. Steve King’s ahistorical commentary cannot go uncorrected.
By Akhilesh Pillalamarri
July 20, 2016
The Diplomat mainly focuses on the Asia-Pacific, the world’s most dynamic and strategically and economically important region. Moreover, Asia, as well as the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas have featured some the most culturally, philosophically, and scientifically sophisticated civilizations that humanity has ever produced.
So, given this, the comments of U.S. Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa regarding the civilizations of the world are a cause of great trepidation and sorrow. Referring to non-white people, King asked: “I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about — where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
He added his view that the greatest contributions to civilization came from “Western civilization itself…rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Unites States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”
What’s discouraging about King’s statements are that they resemble an increasingly common viewpoint in the discourse among the right and nationalists in the Western world and among the rank and file of the Republican Party in the United States. It is a discourse that does not match up with the facts about the historical development of civilizations.
Modern Western civilization, after all, is a relatively recent phenomenon that arose through the fusion of Roman and Christian ideas in Europe during the Medieval Era. Other civilizations preceded, influenced, and coexisted with the West.
At the same time it is important to clarify that the opposite perspective on Western civilization–that it contributed nothing of worth to the world except imperialism and exploitation, and was a mechanism to ensure the privilege of a few white males–embraced by many on the hard-left and among progressives is utterly wrong.
It would be as fallacious for one not to not be proud of the achievements of his or her own civilization as it would be to be to think that other civilizations contributed nothing to civilization. Certainly, for most of the past half-millennium, the West has been overwhelmingly dominant, in what has been termed the “Great Divergence.”
The Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the Enlightenment are among the unique contributions of the West–driven by unique institutional and historical factors–that enabled the scientific, medical, and political developments that have made world a better and more prosperous place than ever before. By the turn of the 20th century, virtually everyone in the non-West from the Japanese to the Ottomans was attempting to “catch up” with the West in the military, political, and economic spheres.
But we cannot and should not deny the achievements of other civilizations, both due to their own merits, and because of the contributions that enabled the modern, global civilization to come into being. And of course, in the sphere of music and the arts, it would be impossible to argue that non-Western civilizations were ever anything other than the equal of the West, as “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Civilization itself arose in the ancient Middle East. The desert biome of that region forced tribes to come together and cooperate in order to produce the irrigation systems necessary to produce enough food for everyone. This led to an increase in the complexity of social and political systems in order to induce cooperation.
Thus, in addition to the domestication of crops and animals, the first weights and measures, the first bureaucracies, organized government and religion, writing, and the wheel all arose in the ancient Middle East. In later times, that region, which became a part of Islamic civilization, gave the world algebra, distillation, and advanced astronomy and navigation, which Europeans used to sail all over the world.
India gave the world its numeric system, including the number zero, plastic surgery, steel production, and urban planning with sewage systems. And among China’s many contributions are paper, printing, gunpowder, the compass, and clocks. This is not to mention the various other crops domesticated, production techniques, and technical achievements of various other non-Western peoples.
Western civilization, and indeed the modern global civilization built largely by the West, would have been impossible without the contributions to civilization from the people of the rest of the world. This is not to disparage the achievements of the West; nor should we ignore the historical failings of other civilizations. But we ought to remember and celebrate the contributions to civilization from all the peoples of the world.
Today, as the era of Western domination draws to a close and as other nations have borrowed much of the best from the West, we should expect to see many more contributions to civilization from outside the West, and from among non-White or non-Christian people in the West itself.
This is the apologism of the politically correct at its finest. And attacking the margins of a larger point is an incredibly lame and ineffective way of shitting on the larger point itself. If anything, all it does prove the larger point. Disagreeing with white supremacism is politically correct now?
Of course. That is the power of dismissive labeling. It's PC culture providing accurate accounts of history. How dare they prove those age old white supremacist talking points incorrect! The nerve. White people just want credit for all civilizations accomplishments across all of history. So mean that PC culture wont let them.
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On July 20 2016 07:20 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:14 Dan HH wrote:On July 20 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:On July 20 2016 07:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/dear-steve-king-heres-what-asia-contributed-to-western-civilization/Dear Steve King: Here's What Asia Contributed to Western Civilization
Rep. Steve King’s ahistorical commentary cannot go uncorrected.
By Akhilesh Pillalamarri
July 20, 2016
The Diplomat mainly focuses on the Asia-Pacific, the world’s most dynamic and strategically and economically important region. Moreover, Asia, as well as the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas have featured some the most culturally, philosophically, and scientifically sophisticated civilizations that humanity has ever produced.
So, given this, the comments of U.S. Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa regarding the civilizations of the world are a cause of great trepidation and sorrow. Referring to non-white people, King asked: “I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about — where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
He added his view that the greatest contributions to civilization came from “Western civilization itself…rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Unites States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”
What’s discouraging about King’s statements are that they resemble an increasingly common viewpoint in the discourse among the right and nationalists in the Western world and among the rank and file of the Republican Party in the United States. It is a discourse that does not match up with the facts about the historical development of civilizations.
Modern Western civilization, after all, is a relatively recent phenomenon that arose through the fusion of Roman and Christian ideas in Europe during the Medieval Era. Other civilizations preceded, influenced, and coexisted with the West.
At the same time it is important to clarify that the opposite perspective on Western civilization–that it contributed nothing of worth to the world except imperialism and exploitation, and was a mechanism to ensure the privilege of a few white males–embraced by many on the hard-left and among progressives is utterly wrong.
It would be as fallacious for one not to not be proud of the achievements of his or her own civilization as it would be to be to think that other civilizations contributed nothing to civilization. Certainly, for most of the past half-millennium, the West has been overwhelmingly dominant, in what has been termed the “Great Divergence.”
The Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the Enlightenment are among the unique contributions of the West–driven by unique institutional and historical factors–that enabled the scientific, medical, and political developments that have made world a better and more prosperous place than ever before. By the turn of the 20th century, virtually everyone in the non-West from the Japanese to the Ottomans was attempting to “catch up” with the West in the military, political, and economic spheres.
But we cannot and should not deny the achievements of other civilizations, both due to their own merits, and because of the contributions that enabled the modern, global civilization to come into being. And of course, in the sphere of music and the arts, it would be impossible to argue that non-Western civilizations were ever anything other than the equal of the West, as “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Civilization itself arose in the ancient Middle East. The desert biome of that region forced tribes to come together and cooperate in order to produce the irrigation systems necessary to produce enough food for everyone. This led to an increase in the complexity of social and political systems in order to induce cooperation.
Thus, in addition to the domestication of crops and animals, the first weights and measures, the first bureaucracies, organized government and religion, writing, and the wheel all arose in the ancient Middle East. In later times, that region, which became a part of Islamic civilization, gave the world algebra, distillation, and advanced astronomy and navigation, which Europeans used to sail all over the world.
India gave the world its numeric system, including the number zero, plastic surgery, steel production, and urban planning with sewage systems. And among China’s many contributions are paper, printing, gunpowder, the compass, and clocks. This is not to mention the various other crops domesticated, production techniques, and technical achievements of various other non-Western peoples.
Western civilization, and indeed the modern global civilization built largely by the West, would have been impossible without the contributions to civilization from the people of the rest of the world. This is not to disparage the achievements of the West; nor should we ignore the historical failings of other civilizations. But we ought to remember and celebrate the contributions to civilization from all the peoples of the world.
Today, as the era of Western domination draws to a close and as other nations have borrowed much of the best from the West, we should expect to see many more contributions to civilization from outside the West, and from among non-White or non-Christian people in the West itself.
This is the apologism of the politically correct at its finest. And attacking the margins of a larger point is an incredibly lame and ineffective way of shitting on the larger point itself. If anything, all it does prove the larger point. Disagreeing with white supremacism is politically correct now? Of course. That is the power of dismissive labeling. It's PC culture providing accurate accounts of history. How dare they prove those age old white supremacist talking points incorrect! The nerve. White people just want credit for all civilizations accomplishments across all of history. So mean that PC culture wont let them.
Anyone with even a remedial understanding of history has to admit that western culture has contributed far more to civilization than any other. The author of that article even has to admit as such, which is why his overall argument is so stupid. He basically is forced into shitting on his own point and proving Rep. King right.
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On July 20 2016 07:14 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:On July 20 2016 07:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/dear-steve-king-heres-what-asia-contributed-to-western-civilization/Dear Steve King: Here's What Asia Contributed to Western Civilization
Rep. Steve King’s ahistorical commentary cannot go uncorrected.
By Akhilesh Pillalamarri
July 20, 2016
The Diplomat mainly focuses on the Asia-Pacific, the world’s most dynamic and strategically and economically important region. Moreover, Asia, as well as the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas have featured some the most culturally, philosophically, and scientifically sophisticated civilizations that humanity has ever produced.
So, given this, the comments of U.S. Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa regarding the civilizations of the world are a cause of great trepidation and sorrow. Referring to non-white people, King asked: “I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about — where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
He added his view that the greatest contributions to civilization came from “Western civilization itself…rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Unites States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”
What’s discouraging about King’s statements are that they resemble an increasingly common viewpoint in the discourse among the right and nationalists in the Western world and among the rank and file of the Republican Party in the United States. It is a discourse that does not match up with the facts about the historical development of civilizations.
Modern Western civilization, after all, is a relatively recent phenomenon that arose through the fusion of Roman and Christian ideas in Europe during the Medieval Era. Other civilizations preceded, influenced, and coexisted with the West.
At the same time it is important to clarify that the opposite perspective on Western civilization–that it contributed nothing of worth to the world except imperialism and exploitation, and was a mechanism to ensure the privilege of a few white males–embraced by many on the hard-left and among progressives is utterly wrong.
It would be as fallacious for one not to not be proud of the achievements of his or her own civilization as it would be to be to think that other civilizations contributed nothing to civilization. Certainly, for most of the past half-millennium, the West has been overwhelmingly dominant, in what has been termed the “Great Divergence.”
The Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the Enlightenment are among the unique contributions of the West–driven by unique institutional and historical factors–that enabled the scientific, medical, and political developments that have made world a better and more prosperous place than ever before. By the turn of the 20th century, virtually everyone in the non-West from the Japanese to the Ottomans was attempting to “catch up” with the West in the military, political, and economic spheres.
But we cannot and should not deny the achievements of other civilizations, both due to their own merits, and because of the contributions that enabled the modern, global civilization to come into being. And of course, in the sphere of music and the arts, it would be impossible to argue that non-Western civilizations were ever anything other than the equal of the West, as “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Civilization itself arose in the ancient Middle East. The desert biome of that region forced tribes to come together and cooperate in order to produce the irrigation systems necessary to produce enough food for everyone. This led to an increase in the complexity of social and political systems in order to induce cooperation.
Thus, in addition to the domestication of crops and animals, the first weights and measures, the first bureaucracies, organized government and religion, writing, and the wheel all arose in the ancient Middle East. In later times, that region, which became a part of Islamic civilization, gave the world algebra, distillation, and advanced astronomy and navigation, which Europeans used to sail all over the world.
India gave the world its numeric system, including the number zero, plastic surgery, steel production, and urban planning with sewage systems. And among China’s many contributions are paper, printing, gunpowder, the compass, and clocks. This is not to mention the various other crops domesticated, production techniques, and technical achievements of various other non-Western peoples.
Western civilization, and indeed the modern global civilization built largely by the West, would have been impossible without the contributions to civilization from the people of the rest of the world. This is not to disparage the achievements of the West; nor should we ignore the historical failings of other civilizations. But we ought to remember and celebrate the contributions to civilization from all the peoples of the world.
Today, as the era of Western domination draws to a close and as other nations have borrowed much of the best from the West, we should expect to see many more contributions to civilization from outside the West, and from among non-White or non-Christian people in the West itself.
This is the apologism of the politically correct at its finest. And attacking the margins of a larger point is an incredibly lame and ineffective way of shitting on the larger point itself. If anything, all it does prove the larger point. Disagreeing with white supremacism is politically correct now?
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"Well, if you're really optimistic, you could say that this is the last time that old white people will command the Republican Party's, uh, attention, its platform, its public face. Of course, I thought that was going to happen in 2012." Charles Pierce, Esquire (the publication, not the title) - That's what the Rep. was responding to.
On July 20 2016 07:18 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:08 oBlade wrote:On July 20 2016 06:59 PassiveAce wrote:
He actually got the manager of trump winery a speaking slot.
Presumably he will attest to the quality of trump wine? Not sure what else he could be there to talk about. And what's with the Governor of Arkansas being a speaker? Trump's not from Arkansas, so I don't get it - what a dumpster fire. If you don't see the difference between a elected state official and the general manager of a winery I dunno what to tell you rofl
It's the Republican National Convention, not the Elected Officials Assembly - you don't seem to know what a political party is. There's already a convention dedicated for Republican public servants to meet. It's called the government.
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Colorado goes for Ted Cruz.
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On July 20 2016 07:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:20 Plansix wrote:On July 20 2016 07:14 Dan HH wrote:On July 20 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:On July 20 2016 07:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/dear-steve-king-heres-what-asia-contributed-to-western-civilization/Dear Steve King: Here's What Asia Contributed to Western Civilization
Rep. Steve King’s ahistorical commentary cannot go uncorrected.
By Akhilesh Pillalamarri
July 20, 2016
The Diplomat mainly focuses on the Asia-Pacific, the world’s most dynamic and strategically and economically important region. Moreover, Asia, as well as the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas have featured some the most culturally, philosophically, and scientifically sophisticated civilizations that humanity has ever produced.
So, given this, the comments of U.S. Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa regarding the civilizations of the world are a cause of great trepidation and sorrow. Referring to non-white people, King asked: “I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about — where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
He added his view that the greatest contributions to civilization came from “Western civilization itself…rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Unites States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”
What’s discouraging about King’s statements are that they resemble an increasingly common viewpoint in the discourse among the right and nationalists in the Western world and among the rank and file of the Republican Party in the United States. It is a discourse that does not match up with the facts about the historical development of civilizations.
Modern Western civilization, after all, is a relatively recent phenomenon that arose through the fusion of Roman and Christian ideas in Europe during the Medieval Era. Other civilizations preceded, influenced, and coexisted with the West.
At the same time it is important to clarify that the opposite perspective on Western civilization–that it contributed nothing of worth to the world except imperialism and exploitation, and was a mechanism to ensure the privilege of a few white males–embraced by many on the hard-left and among progressives is utterly wrong.
It would be as fallacious for one not to not be proud of the achievements of his or her own civilization as it would be to be to think that other civilizations contributed nothing to civilization. Certainly, for most of the past half-millennium, the West has been overwhelmingly dominant, in what has been termed the “Great Divergence.”
The Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the Enlightenment are among the unique contributions of the West–driven by unique institutional and historical factors–that enabled the scientific, medical, and political developments that have made world a better and more prosperous place than ever before. By the turn of the 20th century, virtually everyone in the non-West from the Japanese to the Ottomans was attempting to “catch up” with the West in the military, political, and economic spheres.
But we cannot and should not deny the achievements of other civilizations, both due to their own merits, and because of the contributions that enabled the modern, global civilization to come into being. And of course, in the sphere of music and the arts, it would be impossible to argue that non-Western civilizations were ever anything other than the equal of the West, as “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Civilization itself arose in the ancient Middle East. The desert biome of that region forced tribes to come together and cooperate in order to produce the irrigation systems necessary to produce enough food for everyone. This led to an increase in the complexity of social and political systems in order to induce cooperation.
Thus, in addition to the domestication of crops and animals, the first weights and measures, the first bureaucracies, organized government and religion, writing, and the wheel all arose in the ancient Middle East. In later times, that region, which became a part of Islamic civilization, gave the world algebra, distillation, and advanced astronomy and navigation, which Europeans used to sail all over the world.
India gave the world its numeric system, including the number zero, plastic surgery, steel production, and urban planning with sewage systems. And among China’s many contributions are paper, printing, gunpowder, the compass, and clocks. This is not to mention the various other crops domesticated, production techniques, and technical achievements of various other non-Western peoples.
Western civilization, and indeed the modern global civilization built largely by the West, would have been impossible without the contributions to civilization from the people of the rest of the world. This is not to disparage the achievements of the West; nor should we ignore the historical failings of other civilizations. But we ought to remember and celebrate the contributions to civilization from all the peoples of the world.
Today, as the era of Western domination draws to a close and as other nations have borrowed much of the best from the West, we should expect to see many more contributions to civilization from outside the West, and from among non-White or non-Christian people in the West itself.
This is the apologism of the politically correct at its finest. And attacking the margins of a larger point is an incredibly lame and ineffective way of shitting on the larger point itself. If anything, all it does prove the larger point. Disagreeing with white supremacism is politically correct now? Of course. That is the power of dismissive labeling. It's PC culture providing accurate accounts of history. How dare they prove those age old white supremacist talking points incorrect! The nerve. White people just want credit for all civilizations accomplishments across all of history. So mean that PC culture wont let them. Anyone with even a remedial understanding of history has to admit that western culture has contributed far more to civilization than any other. The author of that article even has to admit as such, which is why his overall argument is so stupid. He basically is forced into shitting on his own point and proving Rep. King right.
Uhhh what ? Thats a very very debatable talking point and its not really easy to quantify. For us specifically that is true but relatively speaking not so much. Thats entirely the problem, you are taking a "remedial" understanding that starts and ends with your supremacy. And that statemtent was pretty strong evidence of it.
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On July 20 2016 07:25 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:22 xDaunt wrote:On July 20 2016 07:20 Plansix wrote:On July 20 2016 07:14 Dan HH wrote:On July 20 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:On July 20 2016 07:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/dear-steve-king-heres-what-asia-contributed-to-western-civilization/Dear Steve King: Here's What Asia Contributed to Western Civilization
Rep. Steve King’s ahistorical commentary cannot go uncorrected.
By Akhilesh Pillalamarri
July 20, 2016
The Diplomat mainly focuses on the Asia-Pacific, the world’s most dynamic and strategically and economically important region. Moreover, Asia, as well as the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas have featured some the most culturally, philosophically, and scientifically sophisticated civilizations that humanity has ever produced.
So, given this, the comments of U.S. Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa regarding the civilizations of the world are a cause of great trepidation and sorrow. Referring to non-white people, King asked: “I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about — where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
He added his view that the greatest contributions to civilization came from “Western civilization itself…rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Unites States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”
What’s discouraging about King’s statements are that they resemble an increasingly common viewpoint in the discourse among the right and nationalists in the Western world and among the rank and file of the Republican Party in the United States. It is a discourse that does not match up with the facts about the historical development of civilizations.
Modern Western civilization, after all, is a relatively recent phenomenon that arose through the fusion of Roman and Christian ideas in Europe during the Medieval Era. Other civilizations preceded, influenced, and coexisted with the West.
At the same time it is important to clarify that the opposite perspective on Western civilization–that it contributed nothing of worth to the world except imperialism and exploitation, and was a mechanism to ensure the privilege of a few white males–embraced by many on the hard-left and among progressives is utterly wrong.
It would be as fallacious for one not to not be proud of the achievements of his or her own civilization as it would be to be to think that other civilizations contributed nothing to civilization. Certainly, for most of the past half-millennium, the West has been overwhelmingly dominant, in what has been termed the “Great Divergence.”
The Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the Enlightenment are among the unique contributions of the West–driven by unique institutional and historical factors–that enabled the scientific, medical, and political developments that have made world a better and more prosperous place than ever before. By the turn of the 20th century, virtually everyone in the non-West from the Japanese to the Ottomans was attempting to “catch up” with the West in the military, political, and economic spheres.
But we cannot and should not deny the achievements of other civilizations, both due to their own merits, and because of the contributions that enabled the modern, global civilization to come into being. And of course, in the sphere of music and the arts, it would be impossible to argue that non-Western civilizations were ever anything other than the equal of the West, as “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Civilization itself arose in the ancient Middle East. The desert biome of that region forced tribes to come together and cooperate in order to produce the irrigation systems necessary to produce enough food for everyone. This led to an increase in the complexity of social and political systems in order to induce cooperation.
Thus, in addition to the domestication of crops and animals, the first weights and measures, the first bureaucracies, organized government and religion, writing, and the wheel all arose in the ancient Middle East. In later times, that region, which became a part of Islamic civilization, gave the world algebra, distillation, and advanced astronomy and navigation, which Europeans used to sail all over the world.
India gave the world its numeric system, including the number zero, plastic surgery, steel production, and urban planning with sewage systems. And among China’s many contributions are paper, printing, gunpowder, the compass, and clocks. This is not to mention the various other crops domesticated, production techniques, and technical achievements of various other non-Western peoples.
Western civilization, and indeed the modern global civilization built largely by the West, would have been impossible without the contributions to civilization from the people of the rest of the world. This is not to disparage the achievements of the West; nor should we ignore the historical failings of other civilizations. But we ought to remember and celebrate the contributions to civilization from all the peoples of the world.
Today, as the era of Western domination draws to a close and as other nations have borrowed much of the best from the West, we should expect to see many more contributions to civilization from outside the West, and from among non-White or non-Christian people in the West itself.
This is the apologism of the politically correct at its finest. And attacking the margins of a larger point is an incredibly lame and ineffective way of shitting on the larger point itself. If anything, all it does prove the larger point. Disagreeing with white supremacism is politically correct now? Of course. That is the power of dismissive labeling. It's PC culture providing accurate accounts of history. How dare they prove those age old white supremacist talking points incorrect! The nerve. White people just want credit for all civilizations accomplishments across all of history. So mean that PC culture wont let them. Anyone with even a remedial understanding of history has to admit that western culture has contributed far more to civilization than any other. The author of that article even has to admit as such, which is why his overall argument is so stupid. He basically is forced into shitting on his own point and proving Rep. King right. Uhhh what ? Thats a very very debatable talking point. On average I would say that is true but relatively speaking not so much.
Western civilization has dominated human civilization at a global level for the past 300 years, and has been the most powerful civilization for far longer. Throw in Greek and Roman achievements from antiquity, and it's a really fucking easy call to make.
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On July 20 2016 07:25 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:14 Dan HH wrote:On July 20 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:On July 20 2016 07:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/dear-steve-king-heres-what-asia-contributed-to-western-civilization/Dear Steve King: Here's What Asia Contributed to Western Civilization
Rep. Steve King’s ahistorical commentary cannot go uncorrected.
By Akhilesh Pillalamarri
July 20, 2016
The Diplomat mainly focuses on the Asia-Pacific, the world’s most dynamic and strategically and economically important region. Moreover, Asia, as well as the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas have featured some the most culturally, philosophically, and scientifically sophisticated civilizations that humanity has ever produced.
So, given this, the comments of U.S. Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa regarding the civilizations of the world are a cause of great trepidation and sorrow. Referring to non-white people, King asked: “I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about — where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
He added his view that the greatest contributions to civilization came from “Western civilization itself…rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Unites States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”
What’s discouraging about King’s statements are that they resemble an increasingly common viewpoint in the discourse among the right and nationalists in the Western world and among the rank and file of the Republican Party in the United States. It is a discourse that does not match up with the facts about the historical development of civilizations.
Modern Western civilization, after all, is a relatively recent phenomenon that arose through the fusion of Roman and Christian ideas in Europe during the Medieval Era. Other civilizations preceded, influenced, and coexisted with the West.
At the same time it is important to clarify that the opposite perspective on Western civilization–that it contributed nothing of worth to the world except imperialism and exploitation, and was a mechanism to ensure the privilege of a few white males–embraced by many on the hard-left and among progressives is utterly wrong.
It would be as fallacious for one not to not be proud of the achievements of his or her own civilization as it would be to be to think that other civilizations contributed nothing to civilization. Certainly, for most of the past half-millennium, the West has been overwhelmingly dominant, in what has been termed the “Great Divergence.”
The Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the Enlightenment are among the unique contributions of the West–driven by unique institutional and historical factors–that enabled the scientific, medical, and political developments that have made world a better and more prosperous place than ever before. By the turn of the 20th century, virtually everyone in the non-West from the Japanese to the Ottomans was attempting to “catch up” with the West in the military, political, and economic spheres.
But we cannot and should not deny the achievements of other civilizations, both due to their own merits, and because of the contributions that enabled the modern, global civilization to come into being. And of course, in the sphere of music and the arts, it would be impossible to argue that non-Western civilizations were ever anything other than the equal of the West, as “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Civilization itself arose in the ancient Middle East. The desert biome of that region forced tribes to come together and cooperate in order to produce the irrigation systems necessary to produce enough food for everyone. This led to an increase in the complexity of social and political systems in order to induce cooperation.
Thus, in addition to the domestication of crops and animals, the first weights and measures, the first bureaucracies, organized government and religion, writing, and the wheel all arose in the ancient Middle East. In later times, that region, which became a part of Islamic civilization, gave the world algebra, distillation, and advanced astronomy and navigation, which Europeans used to sail all over the world.
India gave the world its numeric system, including the number zero, plastic surgery, steel production, and urban planning with sewage systems. And among China’s many contributions are paper, printing, gunpowder, the compass, and clocks. This is not to mention the various other crops domesticated, production techniques, and technical achievements of various other non-Western peoples.
Western civilization, and indeed the modern global civilization built largely by the West, would have been impossible without the contributions to civilization from the people of the rest of the world. This is not to disparage the achievements of the West; nor should we ignore the historical failings of other civilizations. But we ought to remember and celebrate the contributions to civilization from all the peoples of the world.
Today, as the era of Western domination draws to a close and as other nations have borrowed much of the best from the West, we should expect to see many more contributions to civilization from outside the West, and from among non-White or non-Christian people in the West itself.
This is the apologism of the politically correct at its finest. And attacking the margins of a larger point is an incredibly lame and ineffective way of shitting on the larger point itself. If anything, all it does prove the larger point. Disagreeing with white supremacism is politically correct now? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KtOBHznyDw "Well, if you're really optimistic, you could say that this is the last time that old white people will command the Republican Party's, uh, attention, its platform, its public face. Of course, I thought that was going to happen in 2012." Charles Pierce, Esquire (the publication, not the title) - That's what the Rep. was responding to. Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:18 PassiveAce wrote:On July 20 2016 07:08 oBlade wrote:On July 20 2016 06:59 PassiveAce wrote:
He actually got the manager of trump winery a speaking slot.
Presumably he will attest to the quality of trump wine? Not sure what else he could be there to talk about. And what's with the Governor of Arkansas being a speaker? Trump's not from Arkansas, so I don't get it - what a dumpster fire. If you don't see the difference between a elected state official and the general manager of a winery I dunno what to tell you rofl It's the Republican National Convention, not the Elected Officials Assembly - you don't seem to know what a political party is. There's already a convention dedicated for Republican public servants to meet. It's called the government.
Ok but you still seem to think the general manager of a winery has something to add to the convention so you remain a clownstick
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On July 20 2016 07:25 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 07:22 xDaunt wrote:On July 20 2016 07:20 Plansix wrote:On July 20 2016 07:14 Dan HH wrote:On July 20 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:On July 20 2016 07:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/dear-steve-king-heres-what-asia-contributed-to-western-civilization/Dear Steve King: Here's What Asia Contributed to Western Civilization
Rep. Steve King’s ahistorical commentary cannot go uncorrected.
By Akhilesh Pillalamarri
July 20, 2016
The Diplomat mainly focuses on the Asia-Pacific, the world’s most dynamic and strategically and economically important region. Moreover, Asia, as well as the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas have featured some the most culturally, philosophically, and scientifically sophisticated civilizations that humanity has ever produced.
So, given this, the comments of U.S. Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa regarding the civilizations of the world are a cause of great trepidation and sorrow. Referring to non-white people, King asked: “I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about — where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
He added his view that the greatest contributions to civilization came from “Western civilization itself…rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Unites States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”
What’s discouraging about King’s statements are that they resemble an increasingly common viewpoint in the discourse among the right and nationalists in the Western world and among the rank and file of the Republican Party in the United States. It is a discourse that does not match up with the facts about the historical development of civilizations.
Modern Western civilization, after all, is a relatively recent phenomenon that arose through the fusion of Roman and Christian ideas in Europe during the Medieval Era. Other civilizations preceded, influenced, and coexisted with the West.
At the same time it is important to clarify that the opposite perspective on Western civilization–that it contributed nothing of worth to the world except imperialism and exploitation, and was a mechanism to ensure the privilege of a few white males–embraced by many on the hard-left and among progressives is utterly wrong.
It would be as fallacious for one not to not be proud of the achievements of his or her own civilization as it would be to be to think that other civilizations contributed nothing to civilization. Certainly, for most of the past half-millennium, the West has been overwhelmingly dominant, in what has been termed the “Great Divergence.”
The Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the Enlightenment are among the unique contributions of the West–driven by unique institutional and historical factors–that enabled the scientific, medical, and political developments that have made world a better and more prosperous place than ever before. By the turn of the 20th century, virtually everyone in the non-West from the Japanese to the Ottomans was attempting to “catch up” with the West in the military, political, and economic spheres.
But we cannot and should not deny the achievements of other civilizations, both due to their own merits, and because of the contributions that enabled the modern, global civilization to come into being. And of course, in the sphere of music and the arts, it would be impossible to argue that non-Western civilizations were ever anything other than the equal of the West, as “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Civilization itself arose in the ancient Middle East. The desert biome of that region forced tribes to come together and cooperate in order to produce the irrigation systems necessary to produce enough food for everyone. This led to an increase in the complexity of social and political systems in order to induce cooperation.
Thus, in addition to the domestication of crops and animals, the first weights and measures, the first bureaucracies, organized government and religion, writing, and the wheel all arose in the ancient Middle East. In later times, that region, which became a part of Islamic civilization, gave the world algebra, distillation, and advanced astronomy and navigation, which Europeans used to sail all over the world.
India gave the world its numeric system, including the number zero, plastic surgery, steel production, and urban planning with sewage systems. And among China’s many contributions are paper, printing, gunpowder, the compass, and clocks. This is not to mention the various other crops domesticated, production techniques, and technical achievements of various other non-Western peoples.
Western civilization, and indeed the modern global civilization built largely by the West, would have been impossible without the contributions to civilization from the people of the rest of the world. This is not to disparage the achievements of the West; nor should we ignore the historical failings of other civilizations. But we ought to remember and celebrate the contributions to civilization from all the peoples of the world.
Today, as the era of Western domination draws to a close and as other nations have borrowed much of the best from the West, we should expect to see many more contributions to civilization from outside the West, and from among non-White or non-Christian people in the West itself.
This is the apologism of the politically correct at its finest. And attacking the margins of a larger point is an incredibly lame and ineffective way of shitting on the larger point itself. If anything, all it does prove the larger point. Disagreeing with white supremacism is politically correct now? Of course. That is the power of dismissive labeling. It's PC culture providing accurate accounts of history. How dare they prove those age old white supremacist talking points incorrect! The nerve. White people just want credit for all civilizations accomplishments across all of history. So mean that PC culture wont let them. Anyone with even a remedial understanding of history has to admit that western culture has contributed far more to civilization than any other. The author of that article even has to admit as such, which is why his overall argument is so stupid. He basically is forced into shitting on his own point and proving Rep. King right. Uhhh what ? Thats a very very debatable talking point and its not really easy to quantify. For us specifically that is true but relatively speaking not so much. Thats entirely the problem, you are taking a "remedial" understanding that starts and ends with your supremacy. And that statemtent was pretty strong evidence of it.
The reaction it garnered was anything but "that's debatable". You are just labeled as a white supremacist/bigot before thinking maybe he's just telling the truth. It should be debated, but the pc police would never even aknowledge such a talking point because it's too uncomfortable.
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Because they would like to finish the convention this year?
I dont see how this is news.
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