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An ‘unarmed’ white teen was shot dead by police. His family asks: Where is the outrage?
Zachary Hammond was on a first date when he was fatally shot by a police officer in his car during a drug bust in South Carolina, his family says.
At the time the 19-year-old was shot and killed, his date, Tori Morton, was eating an ice cream cone, according to the family’s attorney, Eric Bland.
Morton, 23, was arrested and charged with possession of marijuana — all 10 grams of it — which, according to police, was the reason undercover agents set up the drug buy.
The official police report never mentioned the two gunshots that killed Hammond on July 26 in a Hardees parking lot. Seneca police say a second report — which has not been released to the public — details the officer’s account of the shooting.
Amid heightened scrutiny of fatal police shootings across the country, Hammond’s death has prompted numerous questions, few answers — and almost no national outrage.
More than a week after Hammond’s death, his family’s attorney says race is almost certainly playing a role in the disconcerting silence. Unlike the victims in the highest-profile police shootings over the past year — in cities from Ferguson and Cleveland to North Charleston and Cincinnati — Hammond was white.
This "where is the outrage?" shit fundamentally misunderstands why the black community are angry. It is likely that in the case of this kid the police department already know they fucked up, talking heads on the news won't be claiming that he was a thug and probably deserved it anyway and that an inquiry may actually place some blame where it belongs so that changes can be made. Black protests aren't because they think black blood is special and needs to be protected, it's because the system fails them in a way that it does not fail white people. They're protesting injustice and a system that routinely lets them down, asking "well where are the protests for the times the system works?!?!" is a really stupid question. Whites have faith in the system because whites built the system to serve their needs, blacks, not so much, and with good reason.
That "blacks" are specially targeted by the police is nothing more than a left wing narrative to create histeria, that falls apart when you look at statistics, that are widely available, yet no media outlet reports them.
You understand that YouTube has no value as a source, right? It feels like you don't but anyone familiar with YouTube's policies should know that they don't verify the content of videos uploaded and that literally anyone can make any claims they like in a YouTube video.
Now thats a very grim look at things, sure thats correct but that doesnt mean that there arent some intelligent people on Youtube that are worth listening to.
All sources are valid sources for the start of a research project. But before you share your findings, it would be smart to dig deep enough in the topic until you find evidence valid enough to be shared.
So if you find something good on Youtube, its a great starting point--but you will need to do some legwork to show evidence that is actually sharable.
Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
An ‘unarmed’ white teen was shot dead by police. His family asks: Where is the outrage?
Zachary Hammond was on a first date when he was fatally shot by a police officer in his car during a drug bust in South Carolina, his family says.
At the time the 19-year-old was shot and killed, his date, Tori Morton, was eating an ice cream cone, according to the family’s attorney, Eric Bland.
Morton, 23, was arrested and charged with possession of marijuana — all 10 grams of it — which, according to police, was the reason undercover agents set up the drug buy.
The official police report never mentioned the two gunshots that killed Hammond on July 26 in a Hardees parking lot. Seneca police say a second report — which has not been released to the public — details the officer’s account of the shooting.
Amid heightened scrutiny of fatal police shootings across the country, Hammond’s death has prompted numerous questions, few answers — and almost no national outrage.
More than a week after Hammond’s death, his family’s attorney says race is almost certainly playing a role in the disconcerting silence. Unlike the victims in the highest-profile police shootings over the past year — in cities from Ferguson and Cleveland to North Charleston and Cincinnati — Hammond was white.
This "where is the outrage?" shit fundamentally misunderstands why the black community are angry. It is likely that in the case of this kid the police department already know they fucked up, talking heads on the news won't be claiming that he was a thug and probably deserved it anyway and that an inquiry may actually place some blame where it belongs so that changes can be made. Black protests aren't because they think black blood is special and needs to be protected, it's because the system fails them in a way that it does not fail white people. They're protesting injustice and a system that routinely lets them down, asking "well where are the protests for the times the system works?!?!" is a really stupid question. Whites have faith in the system because whites built the system to serve their needs, blacks, not so much, and with good reason.
That "blacks" are specially targeted by the police is nothing more than a left wing narrative to create histeria, that falls apart when you look at statistics, that are widely available, yet no media outlet reports them.
You understand that YouTube has no value as a source, right? It feels like you don't but anyone familiar with YouTube's policies should know that they don't verify the content of videos uploaded and that literally anyone can make any claims they like in a YouTube video.
Now thats a very grim look at things, sure thats correct but that doesnt mean that there arent some intelligent people on Youtube that are worth listening to.
All sources are valid sources for the start of a research project. But before you share your findings, it would be smart to dig deep enough in the topic until you find evidence valid enough to be shared.
So if you find something good on Youtube, its a great starting point--but you will need to do some legwork to show evidence that is actually sharable.
What if I am posting a video of someone who actually did all that?
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Yes, someone who had been pulled over about 84 times is definitely going to snap this one time with his family in the car. Those were by the way just helping him with the armed robbery he did. The kid was waiting in the car ready to drive them away (without a driver's license mind you) while the girlfriend was running around naked to draw the attention. (again, neither proven nor disproven)
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Now who is making assumptions lol
Either way it doesn't matter to me. Police shouldn't be killing people in the first place.
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Yes, someone who had been pulled over about 84 times is definitely going to snap this one time with his family in the car. Those were by the way just helping him with the armed robbery he did. The kid was waiting in the car ready to drive them away (without a driver's license mind you) while the girlfriend was running around naked to draw the attention. (again, neither proven nor disproven)
We know very little about this case, but I have yet to see proof (or evidence) of anything Castile's girlfriend claimed. However, the media is reporting these things as if they are fact, so I was wondering if this was all assumption because "cops are racist bad people!" or if there was actually any indication the cop was lying.
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Now who is making assumptions lol
Either way it doesn't matter to me. Police shouldn't be killing people in the first place.
I am not making assumptions, I am trying to find out if there is any proof or evidence of what BLM is saying, or if it's all just inference and assumption.
If Castile was going for the gun, then he should have been killed.
On July 11 2016 04:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a youtube video's information in-of-itself.
If it's citing source material for fact-based claims in the description of the video and the sources check out, it's fine.
or you could just link those sources that you checked out instead of the youtube video and save everyone the trouble.
I think I pretty consistently link source material when I present facts.
Unless you weren't accusing me specifically but just speaking in the general 'you'.
What I linked with regards to BLM was video-footage captured of the protests. The left seems to have this idea of BLM in their minds that it's a progressive organization fighting against racism for positive reforms comprised of logical, educated individuals .
But whenever I see footage of them in action it's violent and hateful, like an emotional mob with no clear objective beyond 'fuck the police' with plenty of racism against whites to go around (which is especially hilarious when you have whites standing with them). I was sharing this first-hand so people get a better idea of where people are coming from when they dismiss BLM. If people want to read more into it than that then it's on them.
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Yes, someone who had been pulled over about 84 times is definitely going to snap this one time with his family in the car. Those were by the way just helping him with the armed robbery he did. The kid was waiting in the car ready to drive them away (without a driver's license mind you) while the girlfriend was running around naked to draw the attention. (again, neither proven nor disproven)
We know very little about this case, but I have yet to see proof (or evidence) of anything Castile's girlfriend claimed. However, the media is reporting these things as if they are fact, so I was wondering if this was all assumption because "cops are racist bad people!" or if there was actually any indication the cop was lying.
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Now who is making assumptions lol
Either way it doesn't matter to me. Police shouldn't be killing people in the first place.
I am not making assumptions, I am trying to find out if there is any proof or evidence of what BLM is saying, or if it's all just inference and assumption.
If Castile was going for the gun, then he should have been killed.
Philando Castile, 32, a school cook from St. Paul, was killed by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights Wednesday night.
Philando Castile had a valid permit to carry a gun when he was shot and killed by a St. Anthony police officer, a source confirmed to the Star Tribune Friday.
Castile, a 32-year-old school cook from St. Paul, was killed by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights Wednesday night. His final minutes were live-streamed by his girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, who was a passenger in the car.
In the video, Reynolds said Castile told the officer, Jeronimo Yanez, that he had a permit and was carrying a gun. Yanez shot Castile multiple times.
“He’s licensed to carry, he was trying to get his ID, his wallet out of his pocket and he let the officer knew he had a firearm and was reaching for his wallet,” Reynolds said in the video as a bloodied Castile lay in the driver’s seat dying.
Although the names of gun permit holders are not public under state law, a source confirmed Castile was issued the permit when he lived in Robbinsdale.
Yanez and his partner that night, Joseph Kauser, are on paid administrative leave. On Friday the Falcon Heights City Council, which contracts with the St. Anthony police department, hired a public relations consultant in the wake of the shooting.
Yanez has been with the St. Anthony police department since 2011. Gov. Mark Dayton has asked the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and federal authorities to investigate Castile’s death.
I have heard nothing from any creditable source that said he was pulled over for anything about a busted tail light.
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Yes, someone who had been pulled over about 84 times is definitely going to snap this one time with his family in the car. Those were by the way just helping him with the armed robbery he did. The kid was waiting in the car ready to drive them away (without a driver's license mind you) while the girlfriend was running around naked to draw the attention. (again, neither proven nor disproven)
We know very little about this case, but I have yet to see proof (or evidence) of anything Castile's girlfriend claimed. However, the media is reporting these things as if they are fact, so I was wondering if this was all assumption because "cops are racist bad people!" or if there was actually any indication the cop was lying.
On July 11 2016 04:25 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:18 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:15 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Now who is making assumptions lol
Either way it doesn't matter to me. Police shouldn't be killing people in the first place.
I am not making assumptions, I am trying to find out if there is any proof or evidence of what BLM is saying, or if it's all just inference and assumption.
If Castile was going for the gun, then he should have been killed.
Philando Castile, 32, a school cook from St. Paul, was killed by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights Wednesday night.
Philando Castile had a valid permit to carry a gun when he was shot and killed by a St. Anthony police officer, a source confirmed to the Star Tribune Friday.
Castile, a 32-year-old school cook from St. Paul, was killed by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights Wednesday night. His final minutes were live-streamed by his girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, who was a passenger in the car.
In the video, Reynolds said Castile told the officer, Jeronimo Yanez, that he had a permit and was carrying a gun. Yanez shot Castile multiple times.
“He’s licensed to carry, he was trying to get his ID, his wallet out of his pocket and he let the officer knew he had a firearm and was reaching for his wallet,” Reynolds said in the video as a bloodied Castile lay in the driver’s seat dying.
Although the names of gun permit holders are not public under state law, a source confirmed Castile was issued the permit when he lived in Robbinsdale.
Yanez and his partner that night, Joseph Kauser, are on paid administrative leave. On Friday the Falcon Heights City Council, which contracts with the St. Anthony police department, hired a public relations consultant in the wake of the shooting.
Yanez has been with the St. Anthony police department since 2011. Gov. Mark Dayton has asked the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and federal authorities to investigate Castile’s death.
I have heard nothing from any creditable source that said he was pulled over for anything about a busted tail light.
An anonymous source says he has a gun, and I've only seen 1 or 2 other media outlets (Daily News and Slate) pick up on this "proof".
I was wondering if we had public confirmation by the family (who would have the permit, if it exists) or by the government (who will hopefully release said information after they decide to press charges or not).
I would think proving the gun was legal would be the kicker here. If it was a legal gun, it adds weight to Castile's case. If it was an illegal gun, it destroys his case.
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Now who is making assumptions lol
Either way it doesn't matter to me. Police shouldn't be killing people in the first place.
I am not making assumptions, I am trying to find out if there is any proof or evidence of what BLM is saying, or if it's all just inference and assumption.
If Castile was going for the gun, then he should have been killed.
In the US he gets killed. In the rest of the world he would have lived.
Which goes back to the entire discussion that US police is terribly trained and uses deadly force far far to often.
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Yes, someone who had been pulled over about 84 times is definitely going to snap this one time with his family in the car. Those were by the way just helping him with the armed robbery he did. The kid was waiting in the car ready to drive them away (without a driver's license mind you) while the girlfriend was running around naked to draw the attention. (again, neither proven nor disproven)
We know very little about this case, but I have yet to see proof (or evidence) of anything Castile's girlfriend claimed. However, the media is reporting these things as if they are fact, so I was wondering if this was all assumption because "cops are racist bad people!" or if there was actually any indication the cop was lying.
On July 11 2016 04:25 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:18 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:15 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Now who is making assumptions lol
Either way it doesn't matter to me. Police shouldn't be killing people in the first place.
I am not making assumptions, I am trying to find out if there is any proof or evidence of what BLM is saying, or if it's all just inference and assumption.
If Castile was going for the gun, then he should have been killed.
Philando Castile, 32, a school cook from St. Paul, was killed by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights Wednesday night.
Philando Castile had a valid permit to carry a gun when he was shot and killed by a St. Anthony police officer, a source confirmed to the Star Tribune Friday.
Castile, a 32-year-old school cook from St. Paul, was killed by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights Wednesday night. His final minutes were live-streamed by his girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, who was a passenger in the car.
In the video, Reynolds said Castile told the officer, Jeronimo Yanez, that he had a permit and was carrying a gun. Yanez shot Castile multiple times.
“He’s licensed to carry, he was trying to get his ID, his wallet out of his pocket and he let the officer knew he had a firearm and was reaching for his wallet,” Reynolds said in the video as a bloodied Castile lay in the driver’s seat dying.
Although the names of gun permit holders are not public under state law, a source confirmed Castile was issued the permit when he lived in Robbinsdale.
Yanez and his partner that night, Joseph Kauser, are on paid administrative leave. On Friday the Falcon Heights City Council, which contracts with the St. Anthony police department, hired a public relations consultant in the wake of the shooting.
Yanez has been with the St. Anthony police department since 2011. Gov. Mark Dayton has asked the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and federal authorities to investigate Castile’s death.
I have heard nothing from any creditable source that said he was pulled over for anything about a busted tail light.
An anonymous source says he has a gun, and I've only seen 1 or 2 other media outlets (Daily News and Slate) pick up on this "proof".
I was wondering if we had public confirmation by the family (who would have the permit, if it exists) or by the government (who will hopefully release said information after they decide to press charges or not).
I would think proving the gun was legal would be the kicker here. If it was a legal gun, it adds weight to Castile's case. If it was an illegal gun, it destroys his case.
I have seen no evidence to contradict source I just cited, or anything to suggest the gun was owned illegally. You are the first person I have encountered that is putting forth this theory.
An ‘unarmed’ white teen was shot dead by police. His family asks: Where is the outrage?
Zachary Hammond was on a first date when he was fatally shot by a police officer in his car during a drug bust in South Carolina, his family says.
At the time the 19-year-old was shot and killed, his date, Tori Morton, was eating an ice cream cone, according to the family’s attorney, Eric Bland.
Morton, 23, was arrested and charged with possession of marijuana — all 10 grams of it — which, according to police, was the reason undercover agents set up the drug buy.
The official police report never mentioned the two gunshots that killed Hammond on July 26 in a Hardees parking lot. Seneca police say a second report — which has not been released to the public — details the officer’s account of the shooting.
Amid heightened scrutiny of fatal police shootings across the country, Hammond’s death has prompted numerous questions, few answers — and almost no national outrage.
More than a week after Hammond’s death, his family’s attorney says race is almost certainly playing a role in the disconcerting silence. Unlike the victims in the highest-profile police shootings over the past year — in cities from Ferguson and Cleveland to North Charleston and Cincinnati — Hammond was white.
This "where is the outrage?" shit fundamentally misunderstands why the black community are angry. It is likely that in the case of this kid the police department already know they fucked up, talking heads on the news won't be claiming that he was a thug and probably deserved it anyway and that an inquiry may actually place some blame where it belongs so that changes can be made. Black protests aren't because they think black blood is special and needs to be protected, it's because the system fails them in a way that it does not fail white people. They're protesting injustice and a system that routinely lets them down, asking "well where are the protests for the times the system works?!?!" is a really stupid question. Whites have faith in the system because whites built the system to serve their needs, blacks, not so much, and with good reason.
That "blacks" are specially targeted by the police is nothing more than a left wing narrative to create histeria, that falls apart when you look at statistics, that are widely available, yet no media outlet reports them.
You understand that YouTube has no value as a source, right? It feels like you don't but anyone familiar with YouTube's policies should know that they don't verify the content of videos uploaded and that literally anyone can make any claims they like in a YouTube video.
Now thats a very grim look at things, sure thats correct but that doesnt mean that there arent some intelligent people on Youtube that are worth listening to.
Certainly. But then you can also find further evidence in more reputable places.
Plus it was linked by Gotunk, history says that makes it unlikely to be intelligent/unbiased/true
The guy makes a case providing stats, which can be verified with the sources himself posted below.
As a summary:
Statistically, black people commit way more crimes, which is is why they get targeted by the police more often (and not because their skin is black). Moreover, blacks get murdered mostly by blacks (even more likely by black cops than white cops).
So poor people, wether black or white get abused by the police somewhat. Media cherrypicks 2 cases that suit their narrative to turn this into a race war with awful consequences.
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Yes, someone who had been pulled over about 84 times is definitely going to snap this one time with his family in the car. Those were by the way just helping him with the armed robbery he did. The kid was waiting in the car ready to drive them away (without a driver's license mind you) while the girlfriend was running around naked to draw the attention. (again, neither proven nor disproven)
We know very little about this case, but I have yet to see proof (or evidence) of anything Castile's girlfriend claimed. However, the media is reporting these things as if they are fact, so I was wondering if this was all assumption because "cops are racist bad people!" or if there was actually any indication the cop was lying.
On July 11 2016 04:25 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:18 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:15 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Now who is making assumptions lol
Either way it doesn't matter to me. Police shouldn't be killing people in the first place.
I am not making assumptions, I am trying to find out if there is any proof or evidence of what BLM is saying, or if it's all just inference and assumption.
If Castile was going for the gun, then he should have been killed.
Philando Castile, 32, a school cook from St. Paul, was killed by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights Wednesday night.
Philando Castile had a valid permit to carry a gun when he was shot and killed by a St. Anthony police officer, a source confirmed to the Star Tribune Friday.
Castile, a 32-year-old school cook from St. Paul, was killed by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights Wednesday night. His final minutes were live-streamed by his girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, who was a passenger in the car.
In the video, Reynolds said Castile told the officer, Jeronimo Yanez, that he had a permit and was carrying a gun. Yanez shot Castile multiple times.
“He’s licensed to carry, he was trying to get his ID, his wallet out of his pocket and he let the officer knew he had a firearm and was reaching for his wallet,” Reynolds said in the video as a bloodied Castile lay in the driver’s seat dying.
Although the names of gun permit holders are not public under state law, a source confirmed Castile was issued the permit when he lived in Robbinsdale.
Yanez and his partner that night, Joseph Kauser, are on paid administrative leave. On Friday the Falcon Heights City Council, which contracts with the St. Anthony police department, hired a public relations consultant in the wake of the shooting.
Yanez has been with the St. Anthony police department since 2011. Gov. Mark Dayton has asked the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and federal authorities to investigate Castile’s death.
I have heard nothing from any creditable source that said he was pulled over for anything about a busted tail light.
An anonymous source says he has a gun, and I've only seen 1 or 2 other media outlets (Daily News and Slate) pick up on this "proof".
I was wondering if we had public confirmation by the family (who would have the permit, if it exists) or by the government (who will hopefully release said information after they decide to press charges or not).
I would think proving the gun was legal would be the kicker here. If it was a legal gun, it adds weight to Castile's case. If it was an illegal gun, it destroys his case.
I have seen no evidence to contradict source I just cited, or anything to suggest the gun was owned illegally. You are the first person I have encountered that is putting forth this theory.
I've seen no evidence the gun was owned legally. This article and this unnamed source are the only "evidence" I've seen.
Plenty of people are putting forth the questions I am.
About a hundred miles north of Miami on the Atlantic Coast, the town of Stuart is a picturesque waterfront community — with homes, restaurants and parks overlooking the St. Lucie Estuary. But in many areas now, when you approach the water, the first thing you notice is the smell.
"There's no way to describe it," says John Skinner, a boat salesman in Stuart.
But he still tries. "I would say hundreds of dead animals that have been baking in the sun for weeks."
The cause of the foul smell is a massive algae bloom that has affected beaches and fishing in communities along the St. Lucie River. The blue-green algae is especially worrisome because it can be toxic and harmful to people and animals that come into contact with it.
In Stuart, Skinner says a thick layer of the blue-green algae began accumulating on the water in the marina last month. It's now a couple of inches thick in some areas — a greenish muck that coats the docks and the boats. He says the muck is hurting his sales.
"I have people that have bought boats and don't want to put it in the water," Skinner says. "And people who don't want to buy a boat because it's disgusting in there. They don't want to put it in. It stains the boats, it smells horrible and it's toxic."
It's called blue-green algae, but it's actually a type of bacteria called cyanobacteria. It typically thrives in freshwater. Under certain conditions, the bacteria can release a wide variety of toxins that affect the liver and nervous system.
And blue-green algae occurs naturally. But Mike Conner of the environmental advocacy group Bullsugar.org says there's little natural about this case. "This is a man-made — this is a government-sponsored disaster," he says.
In Ed Fielding's view, this is a natural disaster, but one that also involves politics. "We watched the algae come down the locks into the St. Lucie," he says.
Fielding is a member of the Martin County Commission, which includes Stuart and surrounding communities. The bloom of blue-green algae first showed up months ago in Lake Okeechobee, which occupies part of the county. It's the country's second-largest freshwater lake and a catch basin for central and South Florida.
Fearful that the algae bloom could spread, Fielding says the commission asked the Army Corps of Engineers, the federal agency that controls the lake, not to release lake water east into the St. Lucie River. Citing public safety, the Corps decided to release the water anyway.
"We are one of the exit valves, the safety valves for when the lake builds up to high levels," Fielding explains. "It was an enormously unusual wet year. The lake can build up six times faster that we're able to release."
The Corps is keeping the water level low in Lake Okeechobee to prevent a possible breach of the 80-year-old earthen dike that surrounds the lake — a breach that could be catastrophic and lead to flooding in nearby communities.
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Yes, someone who had been pulled over about 84 times is definitely going to snap this one time with his family in the car. Those were by the way just helping him with the armed robbery he did. The kid was waiting in the car ready to drive them away (without a driver's license mind you) while the girlfriend was running around naked to draw the attention. (again, neither proven nor disproven)
We know very little about this case, but I have yet to see proof (or evidence) of anything Castile's girlfriend claimed. However, the media is reporting these things as if they are fact, so I was wondering if this was all assumption because "cops are racist bad people!" or if there was actually any indication the cop was lying.
On July 11 2016 04:25 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:18 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:15 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 11 2016 04:11 Cowboy24 wrote: Has it been proven that Castile had a valid permit? The media is reporting "sources" for both sides, but I would think if the permit existed, his girlfriend would just produce it.
More and more, it looks like Castile went for the gun.
A guy with his wife and child in the car tells an officer he has a gun in his pocket with his driver license.
In what world is this guy looking to kill a cop in front of his family and not simply trying to produce his driver license as asked for?
We have no proof (or evidence) that he told the cop any such thing.
If it was an illegal gun and he had a criminal record (neither of which has been proven or disproven) than it would definitely make sense for why he might go for the gun, especially if he was the armed robbery suspect (again, neither proven nor disproven).
Now who is making assumptions lol
Either way it doesn't matter to me. Police shouldn't be killing people in the first place.
I am not making assumptions, I am trying to find out if there is any proof or evidence of what BLM is saying, or if it's all just inference and assumption.
If Castile was going for the gun, then he should have been killed.
Philando Castile, 32, a school cook from St. Paul, was killed by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights Wednesday night.
Philando Castile had a valid permit to carry a gun when he was shot and killed by a St. Anthony police officer, a source confirmed to the Star Tribune Friday.
Castile, a 32-year-old school cook from St. Paul, was killed by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights Wednesday night. His final minutes were live-streamed by his girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, who was a passenger in the car.
In the video, Reynolds said Castile told the officer, Jeronimo Yanez, that he had a permit and was carrying a gun. Yanez shot Castile multiple times.
“He’s licensed to carry, he was trying to get his ID, his wallet out of his pocket and he let the officer knew he had a firearm and was reaching for his wallet,” Reynolds said in the video as a bloodied Castile lay in the driver’s seat dying.
Although the names of gun permit holders are not public under state law, a source confirmed Castile was issued the permit when he lived in Robbinsdale.
Yanez and his partner that night, Joseph Kauser, are on paid administrative leave. On Friday the Falcon Heights City Council, which contracts with the St. Anthony police department, hired a public relations consultant in the wake of the shooting.
Yanez has been with the St. Anthony police department since 2011. Gov. Mark Dayton has asked the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and federal authorities to investigate Castile’s death.
I have heard nothing from any creditable source that said he was pulled over for anything about a busted tail light.
An anonymous source says he has a gun, and I've only seen 1 or 2 other media outlets (Daily News and Slate) pick up on this "proof".
I was wondering if we had public confirmation by the family (who would have the permit, if it exists) or by the government (who will hopefully release said information after they decide to press charges or not).
I would think proving the gun was legal would be the kicker here. If it was a legal gun, it adds weight to Castile's case. If it was an illegal gun, it destroys his case.
I have seen no evidence to contradict source I just cited, or anything to suggest the gun was owned illegally. You are the first person I have encountered that is putting forth this theory.
I've seen no evidence the gun was owned legally. This article and this unnamed source are the only "evidence" I've seen.
Plenty of people are putting forth the questions I am.
I also have been asking questions, like if the officer was intoxicated or high on drugs on the job. I have seen no evidence or information that would lead me to believe he is sober.
Not really knowing much about the case, and just going off the article Plansix just posted, what does it matter if he owned the gun legally or illegaly? Having a weapon illegally isn't a reason to shoot a person, especially if he actually told the cop several times that he was carrying and was reaching for his license as required.
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