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On July 09 2016 06:17 zlefin wrote: aw man, over 20 pages since when I was on yesterday, I don't wanna read all that. Was there anything important/good in all the pages? Or just the usual drek and back and forth nonsense?
Mostly just a circlejerk discussing the Dallas shootings yesterday. Very skippable.
Given just how much posters have disagreed these past few dozen or so pages, your careless use of the term "circle jerk" is unwarranted. That said, the last 5 or so pages are indeed rather skippable, though I'd definitely argue that the disagreement at hand is very representative of larger problems facing these sorts of discussions generally.
Now a massive manhunt is underway to find Guzman, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said.
Speaking to reporters Sunday from France, where he is traveling on a state visit, Peña Nieto avoided mentioning the drug lord by name, but he said he was closely following news of the escape of a man who has been among the most wanted criminals in Mexico and around the world.
Peña Nieto said he was "deeply troubled" by "a very unfortunate event that has outraged Mexican society." He vowed that his government would recapture Guzman, step up prison security and investigate whether any prison workers helped the kingpin break out.
"This represents, without a doubt, an affront to the Mexican state, but also I am confident that the institutions of the Mexican state, particularly those in charge of public safety, are at the level, with the strength and determination, to recapture this criminal," Peña Nieto said.
I dunno. I think the discussion the last few days has been decent but maybe that's just me. Sure it hasn't all been perfect but I think it's been reasonably good. Though it was better before the Dallas shooting IMO.
On July 09 2016 06:07 NukeD wrote:
This guy exactly summs up what this thread has become.
Now a massive manhunt is underway to find Guzman, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said.
Speaking to reporters Sunday from France, where he is traveling on a state visit, Peña Nieto avoided mentioning the drug lord by name, but he said he was closely following news of the escape of a man who has been among the most wanted criminals in Mexico and around the world.
Peña Nieto said he was "deeply troubled" by "a very unfortunate event that has outraged Mexican society." He vowed that his government would recapture Guzman, step up prison security and investigate whether any prison workers helped the kingpin break out.
"This represents, without a doubt, an affront to the Mexican state, but also I am confident that the institutions of the Mexican state, particularly those in charge of public safety, are at the level, with the strength and determination, to recapture this criminal," Peña Nieto said.
Now a massive manhunt is underway to find Guzman, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said.
Speaking to reporters Sunday from France, where he is traveling on a state visit, Peña Nieto avoided mentioning the drug lord by name, but he said he was closely following news of the escape of a man who has been among the most wanted criminals in Mexico and around the world.
Peña Nieto said he was "deeply troubled" by "a very unfortunate event that has outraged Mexican society." He vowed that his government would recapture Guzman, step up prison security and investigate whether any prison workers helped the kingpin break out.
"This represents, without a doubt, an affront to the Mexican state, but also I am confident that the institutions of the Mexican state, particularly those in charge of public safety, are at the level, with the strength and determination, to recapture this criminal," Peña Nieto said.
Now a massive manhunt is underway to find Guzman, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said.
Speaking to reporters Sunday from France, where he is traveling on a state visit, Peña Nieto avoided mentioning the drug lord by name, but he said he was closely following news of the escape of a man who has been among the most wanted criminals in Mexico and around the world.
Peña Nieto said he was "deeply troubled" by "a very unfortunate event that has outraged Mexican society." He vowed that his government would recapture Guzman, step up prison security and investigate whether any prison workers helped the kingpin break out.
"This represents, without a doubt, an affront to the Mexican state, but also I am confident that the institutions of the Mexican state, particularly those in charge of public safety, are at the level, with the strength and determination, to recapture this criminal," Peña Nieto said.
Now a massive manhunt is underway to find Guzman, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said.
Speaking to reporters Sunday from France, where he is traveling on a state visit, Peña Nieto avoided mentioning the drug lord by name, but he said he was closely following news of the escape of a man who has been among the most wanted criminals in Mexico and around the world.
Peña Nieto said he was "deeply troubled" by "a very unfortunate event that has outraged Mexican society." He vowed that his government would recapture Guzman, step up prison security and investigate whether any prison workers helped the kingpin break out.
"This represents, without a doubt, an affront to the Mexican state, but also I am confident that the institutions of the Mexican state, particularly those in charge of public safety, are at the level, with the strength and determination, to recapture this criminal," Peña Nieto said.
The list of items banned from downtown Cleveland during this month's upcoming Republican National Convention includes tennis balls, grappling hooks and canned goods.
But not guns.
The city of Cleveland has spent more than a year planning for security around the RNC, but it has very little say on the subject of firearms.
"We'll follow the law. The state has a law, we follow the law. Whatever that law is we'll follow it," said Mayor Frank Jackson.
It's legal in Ohio to openly carry a gun in most public places without a license, while those who want to pocket their guns need concealed-carry permits. Gun owners' rights are written into the Ohio Constitution, which says "the people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security."
With tens of thousands of protesters expected in Cleveland, those gun laws could mean confrontations between pistol-packing delegates and protesters.
State law forbids cities like Cleveland to enforce more restrictive gun regulations, although the Secret Service will not permit anyone but law enforcement to carry weapons inside the Quicken Loans Arena where the convention will take place.
Now a massive manhunt is underway to find Guzman, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said.
Speaking to reporters Sunday from France, where he is traveling on a state visit, Peña Nieto avoided mentioning the drug lord by name, but he said he was closely following news of the escape of a man who has been among the most wanted criminals in Mexico and around the world.
Peña Nieto said he was "deeply troubled" by "a very unfortunate event that has outraged Mexican society." He vowed that his government would recapture Guzman, step up prison security and investigate whether any prison workers helped the kingpin break out.
"This represents, without a doubt, an affront to the Mexican state, but also I am confident that the institutions of the Mexican state, particularly those in charge of public safety, are at the level, with the strength and determination, to recapture this criminal," Peña Nieto said.
The list of items banned from downtown Cleveland during this month's upcoming Republican National Convention includes tennis balls, grappling hooks and canned goods.
But not guns.
The city of Cleveland has spent more than a year planning for security around the RNC, but it has very little say on the subject of firearms.
"We'll follow the law. The state has a law, we follow the law. Whatever that law is we'll follow it," said Mayor Frank Jackson.
It's legal in Ohio to openly carry a gun in most public places without a license, while those who want to pocket their guns need concealed-carry permits. Gun owners' rights are written into the Ohio Constitution, which says "the people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security."
With tens of thousands of protesters expected in Cleveland, those gun laws could mean confrontations between pistol-packing delegates and protesters.
State law forbids cities like Cleveland to enforce more restrictive gun regulations, although the Secret Service will not permit anyone but law enforcement to carry weapons inside the Quicken Loans Arena where the convention will take place.
On July 09 2016 06:32 OuchyDathurts wrote: I dunno. I think the discussion the last few days has been decent but maybe that's just me. Sure it hasn't all been perfect but I think it's been reasonably good. Though it was better before the Dallas shooting IMO.
This guy exactly summs up what this thread has become.
Thanks for the link.
I get his point and to a degree he's right, but there's more to it. I saw NRA members calling the NRA out for staying silent about Philando, but I haven't heard the popular "leadership" of "pro-cop" crowds say anything like what I've seen popular BLM "leaders" about the cops.
But I'm in different circles. Have there been statements in those pro constitution/pro-gun/pro-cop groups among leadership that I'm unaware of?
Now a massive manhunt is underway to find Guzman, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said.
Speaking to reporters Sunday from France, where he is traveling on a state visit, Peña Nieto avoided mentioning the drug lord by name, but he said he was closely following news of the escape of a man who has been among the most wanted criminals in Mexico and around the world.
Peña Nieto said he was "deeply troubled" by "a very unfortunate event that has outraged Mexican society." He vowed that his government would recapture Guzman, step up prison security and investigate whether any prison workers helped the kingpin break out.
"This represents, without a doubt, an affront to the Mexican state, but also I am confident that the institutions of the Mexican state, particularly those in charge of public safety, are at the level, with the strength and determination, to recapture this criminal," Peña Nieto said.
the link even says 2015 in the url. And you wonder why people don't take you seriously...
lol it was trending and I just grabbed the first one I saw because I wanted a laugh.
I've been a little disturbed lately and slept probably 12 hours in the last 3 days, most of that interrupted by nightmares, but thanks for taking the opportunity to be a dick.
I almost went with this because I chuckled, but it made me sad too when I realized it was real and not satire.
Now a massive manhunt is underway to find Guzman, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said.
Speaking to reporters Sunday from France, where he is traveling on a state visit, Peña Nieto avoided mentioning the drug lord by name, but he said he was closely following news of the escape of a man who has been among the most wanted criminals in Mexico and around the world.
Peña Nieto said he was "deeply troubled" by "a very unfortunate event that has outraged Mexican society." He vowed that his government would recapture Guzman, step up prison security and investigate whether any prison workers helped the kingpin break out.
"This represents, without a doubt, an affront to the Mexican state, but also I am confident that the institutions of the Mexican state, particularly those in charge of public safety, are at the level, with the strength and determination, to recapture this criminal," Peña Nieto said.
CHICAGO (Reuters) - The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has confirmed that a Utah resident’s death last month is the first Zika-related death in the continental United States, the CDC said in an emailed statement.
Health officials in the Salt Lake County health department in Utah reported the death on Friday of an elderly resident who had been infected with the Zika virus while traveling to an area with active transmission of the virus.
The exact cause of death is not known, the health department said in a press release.
The resident had an undisclosed health condition and had tested positive for the Zika virus. County health officials said it may not be possible to determine how the Zika infection contributed to the person’s death.
The resident was not identified.
The Zika virus typically causes mild illness with symptoms lasting for several days to a week after being bitten by an infected mosquito. Many people infected with Zika have no symptoms.
In April, the CDC reported the first U.S. death from Zika occurring in a patient infected with the virus in Puerto Rico. The man, who was in his 70s, died from severe thrombocytopenia, a bleeding disorder caused by abnormally low blood platelets, which are needed for blood clotting.
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
On July 09 2016 05:04 opisska wrote: The news of the shooting largely missed me, because I was busy looking for a place to live. Then I went to wikipedia to check what happened and was first quite confused, what was the motive of the shooting - I would kinda have expected that if the shooting was racially motivated, that information would be prominently featured, together with the information that the shooter himself was black. But that's apparently not how wikipedia rolls these days. When I asked on the talk page, I got informed that determining that someone is black from looking at his picture is "original research".
Is that just a wikipedia thing where PC fans have a field day with their agenda, or is this a general thing in media being reluctant to acknowledge a racist act when it happens the other way around?
You are only allowed to shame white people for being racist, I tought that was well known.
Omg, this video does put the BLM thing on perspective:
It really depends on your definition of racism.
Your bastardization of the definition of racism is wrong.
You don't get to point at blue and call it red. Blue is blue. I really hate the SJW's attempts to hijack the definition of racism so you can't be racist against whites in america. It's absurdly stupid, shortsighted, and harmful.
On July 09 2016 03:25 farvacola wrote: For some reason, I can't help but picture the robot as the interrogation bot from A New Hope.
My first impression was a wall-e like robot. A cute little robot with a bomb on a platter ready to be served.
A drone used to kill someone. If this is allowed then I don't see why flying drones to take someone out would not be allowed. Could save a lot of lives but its logical people are scared of it.
Delivering bombs with robots sounds 'a little' out of the scope of the police force. There's a reason you use drones at the other end of the world and not on domestic soil. Of course the whole technology coming back is one of the drawbacks of using it internationally in the first place.
Is it really supposed to be normal that police enforcement fights para military snipers with remote bombs in the middle of a fucking city? What's next, Gundams?
I really don't see the problem with it. Its a bomb but is it that much different from a bunch of police officers all firing their rifles on a suspect? (compare Orlando and the other terrorist shooting at workplace) The chance to survive seems minimal in both situations. The robot is just a tool,not that much different from a gun. There is still a person behind it who operates it. It will only be used in extreme situatio,the intention is to kill. And when decision has been made to kill, I don't see how this is worse then a shoot out.
Imo the decision to kill should never be made,but that's something else. Given that the decision has been made,this method seems fine to me.
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: From WaPo, 2015:
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
On July 09 2016 05:04 opisska wrote: The news of the shooting largely missed me, because I was busy looking for a place to live. Then I went to wikipedia to check what happened and was first quite confused, what was the motive of the shooting - I would kinda have expected that if the shooting was racially motivated, that information would be prominently featured, together with the information that the shooter himself was black. But that's apparently not how wikipedia rolls these days. When I asked on the talk page, I got informed that determining that someone is black from looking at his picture is "original research".
Is that just a wikipedia thing where PC fans have a field day with their agenda, or is this a general thing in media being reluctant to acknowledge a racist act when it happens the other way around?
You are only allowed to shame white people for being racist, I tought that was well known.
Omg, this video does put the BLM thing on perspective:
Your bastardization of the definition of racism is wrong.
You don't get to point at blue and call it red. Blue is blue. I really hate the SJW's attempts to hijack the definition of racism so you can't be racist against whites in america. It's absurdly stupid, shortsighted, and harmful.
I encourage anyone looking to avoid the dispute on racism with folks like GG to just use "raycism" in it's stead. The definition of raycism is essentially what they don't want racism to mean, (prejudice plus power in short hand).
It's my word, no one else gets to define it, and the conversation can move forward without stagnating on the term.
EPT
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