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On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: From WaPo, 2015:
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
I imagine you're implying this is a small number.
But 4% is rather horrifying.
1/25 people killed by police fit an overly specific description. If that's just the "unarmed black men" subset, then how much higher is the total unjustifiable fatal police shootings?
It's very high. Many of the victims were, in reasonable opinion, unjustly killed. But the point of that post is that white killing unarmed black produces by far the most outrage, with the media fanning the flames for ratings.
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: From WaPo, 2015:
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
I imagine you're implying this is a small number.
But 4% is rather horrifying.
1/25 people killed by police fit an overly specific description. If that's just the "unarmed black men" subset, then how much higher is the total unjustifiable fatal police shootings?
It's very high. Many of the victims were, in reasonable opinion, unjustly killed. But the point of that post is that white killing unarmed black produces by far the most outrage, with the media fanning the flames for ratings.
So who are you arguing with again? What is your point? Most of the people in this thread agreed with that point hours ago and moved on. What are you looking for?
On July 09 2016 05:16 NukeD wrote: I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms?
For law enforcement to stop shooting black people that don't deserve to be killed?
That's not a real demand. They have to ask for something concrete that can be directly implemented. For example, demanding that all police wear bodycams and that the US make a national police oversight agency would be concrete demands. But "stop police shooting innocent people" is not a real demand.
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: From WaPo, 2015:
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
Running away is not a reason to shoot anyone ffs. It is the opposite of a reason since your life is not in danger when a guy is running away!
Shooting the mentally ill is again, not a reason unless they force you into a life or death scenario. In which case the cop probably screwed up
Running when told to stop could mean running towards/charging towards or running away. The % of mentally ill who were shot is extremely high, something like 1/4.
Dallas police shooting: 'Black Power group' claims responsibility for police killings and warns of more assassinations to come
A Facebook page claiming to represent a black power group has posted messages claiming responsibility for the deaths of five police officers in Dallas.
The so-called Black Power Political Organization claimed on its Facebook account that it was behind the attack in which cops were picked out from an 'elevated position' - believed to be a multi-storey car park.
It came in the week of public outrage over the deaths of two unarmed black men shot by police.
There were initial reports there could have been up to three or four snipers involved in a co-ordinated attack during a peaceful Black Live Matter protest. [...]
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: From WaPo, 2015:
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
I imagine you're implying this is a small number.
But 4% is rather horrifying.
1/25 people killed by police fit an overly specific description. If that's just the "unarmed black men" subset, then how much higher is the total unjustifiable fatal police shootings?
It's very high. Many of the victims were, in reasonable opinion, unjustly killed. But the point of that post is that white killing unarmed black produces by far the most outrage, with the media fanning the flames for ratings.
So who are you arguing with again? What is your point? Most of the people in this thread agreed with that point hours ago and moved on. What are you looking for?
Can you comprehend that some people just want to present and discuss data they find interesting, and not to be pitted against a side and throw bullshit at each other?
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: From WaPo, 2015:
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
I imagine you're implying this is a small number.
But 4% is rather horrifying.
1/25 people killed by police fit an overly specific description. If that's just the "unarmed black men" subset, then how much higher is the total unjustifiable fatal police shootings?
It's very high. Many of the victims were, in reasonable opinion, unjustly killed. But the point of that post is that white killing unarmed black produces by far the most outrage, with the media fanning the flames for ratings.
So who are you arguing with again? What is your point? Most of the people in this thread agreed with that point hours ago and moved on. What are you looking for?
Can you comprehend that some people just want to present and discuss data they find interesting, and not to be pitted against a side and throw bullshit at each other?
What is your point in presenting the data? What are you trying to say?
Holy stupid. BLM has unquestionable changed the conversation in a positive way. Before that all the abuse and such was still imaginary, exaggerated, etc... Now that black people are abused at every level of the justice system is a given, some people just still want to pretend race has nothing to do with it.
BLM didn't cause this. As for the rhetoric, the rhetoric (used by very few) wouldn't even have any traction if police weren't violating black people's constitutional rights at epic levels. I tend not to blame anyone but the person responsible, but if we're trying to divert blame the police definitely come before some random assholes from BLM.
For example Dallas PD is STILL circulating an image of a black man they know had nothing to do with it and went out of his way to avoid suspicion as a SUSPECT.
He's told them he's getting death threats by the hundreds and him and his brother are fearing for their lives and the police wont even comment (don't believe me, call yourself).
Dallas police shooting: 'Black Power group' claims responsibility for police killings and warns of more assassinations to come
A Facebook page claiming to represent a black power group has posted messages claiming responsibility for the deaths of five police officers in Dallas.
The so-called Black Power Political Organization claimed on its Facebook account that it was behind the attack in which cops were picked out from an 'elevated position' - believed to be a multi-storey car park.
It came in the week of public outrage over the deaths of two unarmed black men shot by police.
There were initial reports there could have been up to three or four snipers involved in a co-ordinated attack during a peaceful Black Live Matter protest. [...]
300 likes on facebook!? Sounds legit.
Also these other suspects are still MIA last known location being in police custody. I've seen what cops do when they think they've captured a cop killer, who knows if they treated those "suspects" like they were already guilty and part of the reason they wont say anything about them is because they already gave these innocent people "the treatment".
We don't know, but that's the PD's fault not ours.
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: From WaPo, 2015:
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
I imagine you're implying this is a small number.
But 4% is rather horrifying.
1/25 people killed by police fit an overly specific description. If that's just the "unarmed black men" subset, then how much higher is the total unjustifiable fatal police shootings?
It's very high. Many of the victims were, in reasonable opinion, unjustly killed. But the point of that post is that white killing unarmed black produces by far the most outrage, with the media fanning the flames for ratings.
So who are you arguing with again? What is your point? Most of the people in this thread agreed with that point hours ago and moved on. What are you looking for?
Can you comprehend that some people just want to present and discuss data they find interesting, and not to be pitted against a side and throw bullshit at each other?
What is your point in presenting the data? What are you trying to say?
lol
I presented data and evidence, you're free to link yours. Instead of telling me to do learn math and do my own research. Then talk about your media diet like you have any hint of intellectual integrity.
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: From WaPo, 2015:
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
I imagine you're implying this is a small number.
But 4% is rather horrifying.
1/25 people killed by police fit an overly specific description. If that's just the "unarmed black men" subset, then how much higher is the total unjustifiable fatal police shootings?
It's very high. Many of the victims were, in reasonable opinion, unjustly killed. But the point of that post is that white killing unarmed black produces by far the most outrage, with the media fanning the flames for ratings.
So who are you arguing with again? What is your point? Most of the people in this thread agreed with that point hours ago and moved on. What are you looking for?
Can you comprehend that some people just want to present and discuss data they find interesting, and not to be pitted against a side and throw bullshit at each other?
What is your point in presenting the data? What are you trying to say?
lol
So you have no perspective? No insight? You just pick data and then complain when people don’t talk about it in a fashion you find pleasing? What is your opinion?
On July 09 2016 05:45 GreenHorizons wrote: Holy stupid. BLM has unquestionable changed the conversation in a positive way. Before that all the abuse and such was still imaginary, exaggerated, etc... Now that black people are abused at every level of the justice system is a given, some people just still want to pretend race has nothing to do with it.
BLM didn't cause this. As for the rhetoric, the rhetoric (used by very few) wouldn't even have any traction if police weren't violating black people's constitutional rights at epic levels. I tend not to blame anyone but the person responsible, but if we're trying to divert blame the police definitely come before some random assholes from BLM.
For example Dallas PD is STILL circulating an image of a black man they know had nothing to do with it and went out of his way to avoid suspicion as a SUSPECT.
He's told them he's getting death threats by the hundreds and him and his brother are fearing for their lives and the police wont even comment (don't believe me, call yourself).
Dallas police shooting: 'Black Power group' claims responsibility for police killings and warns of more assassinations to come
A Facebook page claiming to represent a black power group has posted messages claiming responsibility for the deaths of five police officers in Dallas.
The so-called Black Power Political Organization claimed on its Facebook account that it was behind the attack in which cops were picked out from an 'elevated position' - believed to be a multi-storey car park.
It came in the week of public outrage over the deaths of two unarmed black men shot by police.
There were initial reports there could have been up to three or four snipers involved in a co-ordinated attack during a peaceful Black Live Matter protest. [...]
300 likes on facebook!? Sounds legit.
Huh isn't this video enough proof that they bear some responsability?
Dallas police shooting: 'Black Power group' claims responsibility for police killings and warns of more assassinations to come
A Facebook page claiming to represent a black power group has posted messages claiming responsibility for the deaths of five police officers in Dallas.
The so-called Black Power Political Organization claimed on its Facebook account that it was behind the attack in which cops were picked out from an 'elevated position' - believed to be a multi-storey car park.
It came in the week of public outrage over the deaths of two unarmed black men shot by police.
There were initial reports there could have been up to three or four snipers involved in a co-ordinated attack during a peaceful Black Live Matter protest. [...]
Dallas police shooting: 'Black Power group' claims responsibility for police killings and warns of more assassinations to come
A Facebook page claiming to represent a black power group has posted messages claiming responsibility for the deaths of five police officers in Dallas.
The so-called Black Power Political Organization claimed on its Facebook account that it was behind the attack in which cops were picked out from an 'elevated position' - believed to be a multi-storey car park.
It came in the week of public outrage over the deaths of two unarmed black men shot by police.
There were initial reports there could have been up to three or four snipers involved in a co-ordinated attack during a peaceful Black Live Matter protest. [...]
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: From WaPo, 2015:
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
I imagine you're implying this is a small number.
But 4% is rather horrifying.
1/25 people killed by police fit an overly specific description. If that's just the "unarmed black men" subset, then how much higher is the total unjustifiable fatal police shootings?
It's very high. Many of the victims were, in reasonable opinion, unjustly killed. But the point of that post is that white killing unarmed black produces by far the most outrage, with the media fanning the flames for ratings.
So who are you arguing with again? What is your point? Most of the people in this thread agreed with that point hours ago and moved on. What are you looking for?
Can you comprehend that some people just want to present and discuss data they find interesting, and not to be pitted against a side and throw bullshit at each other?
What is your point in presenting the data? What are you trying to say?
lol
So you have no perspective? No insight? You just pick data and then complain when people don’t talk about it in a fashion you find pleasing? What is your opinion?
What the fuck kind of insight have you provided? I defend the data when you don't know how to read it and accuse others of being bad at math.
I've made a very clear point, that the media covers a disproportionate number of black shootings than of other races. And going by the individual cases linked in the WaPo data, quiet a lot of non-blacks are being murdered unjustifiably, more so than blacks. Mixing a systemic, bureaucratic issue with race is a great way to make sure it stays unaddressed.
On July 09 2016 05:45 GreenHorizons wrote: Holy stupid. BLM has unquestionable changed the conversation in a positive way. Before that all the abuse and such was still imaginary, exaggerated, etc... Now that black people are abused at every level of the justice system is a given, some people just still want to pretend race has nothing to do with it.
BLM didn't cause this. As for the rhetoric, the rhetoric (used by very few) wouldn't even have any traction if police weren't violating black people's constitutional rights at epic levels. I tend not to blame anyone but the person responsible, but if we're trying to divert blame the police definitely come before some random assholes from BLM.
For example Dallas PD is STILL circulating an image of a black man they know had nothing to do with it and went out of his way to avoid suspicion as a SUSPECT.
He's told them he's getting death threats by the hundreds and him and his brother are fearing for their lives and the police wont even comment (don't believe me, call yourself).
Dallas police shooting: 'Black Power group' claims responsibility for police killings and warns of more assassinations to come
A Facebook page claiming to represent a black power group has posted messages claiming responsibility for the deaths of five police officers in Dallas.
The so-called Black Power Political Organization claimed on its Facebook account that it was behind the attack in which cops were picked out from an 'elevated position' - believed to be a multi-storey car park.
It came in the week of public outrage over the deaths of two unarmed black men shot by police.
There were initial reports there could have been up to three or four snipers involved in a co-ordinated attack during a peaceful Black Live Matter protest. [...]
300 likes on facebook!? Sounds legit.
Huh isn't this video enough proof that they bear some responsability?
(Hope reposting a video is not considered a ban given it is a direct reply to someone)
Not really. I mean again if you want to blame people other than the perpetrator a youtube video from 2014 in NY is pretty low on the list. Far lower than the departments that prompted the protests, or even the people that ignored/dismissed their cries for so long.
On July 09 2016 05:45 GreenHorizons wrote: Holy stupid. BLM has unquestionable changed the conversation in a positive way. Before that all the abuse and such was still imaginary, exaggerated, etc... Now that black people are abused at every level of the justice system is a given, some people just still want to pretend race has nothing to do with it.
BLM didn't cause this. As for the rhetoric, the rhetoric (used by very few) wouldn't even have any traction if police weren't violating black people's constitutional rights at epic levels. I tend not to blame anyone but the person responsible, but if we're trying to divert blame the police definitely come before some random assholes from BLM.
For example Dallas PD is STILL circulating an image of a black man they know had nothing to do with it and went out of his way to avoid suspicion as a SUSPECT.
He's told them he's getting death threats by the hundreds and him and his brother are fearing for their lives and the police wont even comment (don't believe me, call yourself).
Dallas police shooting: 'Black Power group' claims responsibility for police killings and warns of more assassinations to come
A Facebook page claiming to represent a black power group has posted messages claiming responsibility for the deaths of five police officers in Dallas.
The so-called Black Power Political Organization claimed on its Facebook account that it was behind the attack in which cops were picked out from an 'elevated position' - believed to be a multi-storey car park.
It came in the week of public outrage over the deaths of two unarmed black men shot by police.
There were initial reports there could have been up to three or four snipers involved in a co-ordinated attack during a peaceful Black Live Matter protest. [...]
300 likes on facebook!? Sounds legit.
Huh isn't this video enough proof that they bear some responsability?
(Hope reposting a video is not considered a ban given it is a direct reply to someone)
I listened to that twice and I question the veracity of that video. The volume of the protesters does not change as they approach and that is a very quite part of NYC, which magically has no other noise. It is from a single video account on youtube and it wouldn’t be hard to just overly the sound from another video.
Without other evidence of that taking place from a creditable sources, I’m not convinced that is real.
I've had multiple people on my social media praise the death of these cops via emojis and hashtags. BLM might have raised legitimate concern, but in my view the movement is NOT legitimate.There is no organization, just yelling and holding up signs to get attention from media is not enough. They need leaders that can enact reforms at a political level. They have 0 respected leaders. Obama should really have taken a more active role in this mess of a movement that is desperately in need of direction.
the Black Lives Matter in Toronto "group" did a really good job in their Pride Parade protest. They did such a good job that no one in the national or international media reacted or cares. No one died. They stopped a parade for 30 minutes. They got at least 1 public meeting with the mayor. They get greater consultation earlier in the Pride parade planning process than they ever have before.
But no one got shot, so no one cares that they did a proportional, measured, calculated protest that caused less than 1/2 an hour of inconvenience.
When some nutbar black rights groups acts like total idiots its plastered all over the international media. When a black rights group does a good job... its boring and never gets any attention. I don't agree with every word "BLM TO" utters. I don't agree with their entire platform. However, they did a nice job and are getting zero credit for it because what they did is not sensational enough to get any attention. It did work though.
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: From WaPo, 2015:
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
I imagine you're implying this is a small number.
But 4% is rather horrifying.
1/25 people killed by police fit an overly specific description. If that's just the "unarmed black men" subset, then how much higher is the total unjustifiable fatal police shootings?
It's very high. Many of the victims were, in reasonable opinion, unjustly killed. But the point of that post is that white killing unarmed black produces by far the most outrage, with the media fanning the flames for ratings.
So who are you arguing with again? What is your point? Most of the people in this thread agreed with that point hours ago and moved on. What are you looking for?
Can you comprehend that some people just want to present and discuss data they find interesting, and not to be pitted against a side and throw bullshit at each other?
What is your point in presenting the data? What are you trying to say?
lol
So you have no perspective? No insight? You just pick data and then complain when people don’t talk about it in a fashion you find pleasing? What is your opinion?
What the fuck kind of insight have you provided? I defend the data when you don't know how to read it and accuse others of being bad at math.
I've made a very clear point, that the media covers a disproportionate number of black shootings than of other races. And going by the individual cases linked in the WaPo data, quiet a lot of non-blacks are being murdered unjustifiably, more so than blacks. Mixing a systemic, bureaucratic issue with race is a great way to make sure it stays unaddressed.
And I agreed that it is a problem for everyone. But the shooting of unarmed black men can be due to racism and the shooting of unarmed white men can be do to something else. So what do you propose we do about the shooting of unarmed white men?
On July 09 2016 05:45 GreenHorizons wrote: Holy stupid. BLM has unquestionable changed the conversation in a positive way. Before that all the abuse and such was still imaginary, exaggerated, etc... Now that black people are abused at every level of the justice system is a given, some people just still want to pretend race has nothing to do with it.
BLM didn't cause this. As for the rhetoric, the rhetoric (used by very few) wouldn't even have any traction if police weren't violating black people's constitutional rights at epic levels. I tend not to blame anyone but the person responsible, but if we're trying to divert blame the police definitely come before some random assholes from BLM.
For example Dallas PD is STILL circulating an image of a black man they know had nothing to do with it and went out of his way to avoid suspicion as a SUSPECT.
He's told them he's getting death threats by the hundreds and him and his brother are fearing for their lives and the police wont even comment (don't believe me, call yourself).
Dallas police shooting: 'Black Power group' claims responsibility for police killings and warns of more assassinations to come
A Facebook page claiming to represent a black power group has posted messages claiming responsibility for the deaths of five police officers in Dallas.
The so-called Black Power Political Organization claimed on its Facebook account that it was behind the attack in which cops were picked out from an 'elevated position' - believed to be a multi-storey car park.
It came in the week of public outrage over the deaths of two unarmed black men shot by police.
There were initial reports there could have been up to three or four snipers involved in a co-ordinated attack during a peaceful Black Live Matter protest. [...]
300 likes on facebook!? Sounds legit.
Huh isn't this video enough proof that they bear some responsability?
(Hope reposting a video is not considered a ban given it is a direct reply to someone)
Not really. I mean again if you want to blame people other than the perpetrator a youtube video from 2014 in NY is pretty low on the list. Far lower than the departments that prompted the protests, or even the people that ignored/dismissed their cries for so long.
So in your opinion a BLM protest were they chant for dead cops has no political responsability, at all, in what happened recently? Or that they regularly praise a convicted cop killer in the most wanted list?
And you also belive White people are guilty by assosiation of being racist by being in a "position of power" even if they never willingly discriminate against black people?
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