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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
July 08 2016 20:16 GMT
#84341
I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms?
sorry for dem one liners
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
July 08 2016 20:17 GMT
#84342
On July 09 2016 05:15 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 05:13 NukeD wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:02 Plansix wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:01 NukeD wrote:
On July 09 2016 04:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 09 2016 04:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 09 2016 04:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:

it has been less then 24h since this happened.
Bit early for a 'the truth' video...

The truth is always available on youtube. Always. It provides you with everyone’s hot take on the current crisis of the day. Please like and subscribe.

Where do you get your truth?

I don’t. The truth is not available through media. Only perspectives.

Yet you clearly side with some perspectives over the others. How can you live with yourself if you know you can never grasp the truth in its pureness?

Yes, that is called making an informed decision. I understand the others perspectives, I just don’t agree with their conclusions.

Which brings me to my first question? Where do you get these "perspectives" if you wish? Since obviously you are very keen to dismiss everyone else's.
sorry for dem one liners
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 08 2016 20:18 GMT
#84343
On July 09 2016 05:16 NukeD wrote:
I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms?


More dead cops?



But they are totally not responsible for the shootings in any form.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
July 08 2016 20:18 GMT
#84344
On July 09 2016 05:16 NukeD wrote:
I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms?

For law enforcement to stop shooting black people that don't deserve to be killed?
dude bro.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
July 08 2016 20:18 GMT
#84345
I'm not really looking to shame anything, I am just mildly upset that things work this way today. Someone shooting other people because how they look like is pretty idiotic and I think it should be publicly named so if it happens.

Now excuse me from any further debate until I come up with a blog epic enough for my coming postcount
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
July 08 2016 20:20 GMT
#84346
On July 09 2016 05:18 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 05:16 NukeD wrote:
I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms?

For law enforcement to stop shooting black people that don't deserve to be killed?

I dont buy it.
sorry for dem one liners
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
July 08 2016 20:21 GMT
#84347
On July 09 2016 05:20 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 05:18 heliusx wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:16 NukeD wrote:
I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms?

For law enforcement to stop shooting black people that don't deserve to be killed?

I dont buy it.

So be it.
dude bro.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 20:23:09
July 08 2016 20:22 GMT
#84348
From WaPo, 2015:

In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2016 20:23 GMT
#84349
On July 09 2016 05:17 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 05:15 Plansix wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:13 NukeD wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:02 Plansix wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:01 NukeD wrote:
On July 09 2016 04:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 09 2016 04:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 09 2016 04:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByE_CpXIjRA

it has been less then 24h since this happened.
Bit early for a 'the truth' video...

The truth is always available on youtube. Always. It provides you with everyone’s hot take on the current crisis of the day. Please like and subscribe.

Where do you get your truth?

I don’t. The truth is not available through media. Only perspectives.

Yet you clearly side with some perspectives over the others. How can you live with yourself if you know you can never grasp the truth in its pureness?

Yes, that is called making an informed decision. I understand the others perspectives, I just don’t agree with their conclusions.

Which brings me to my first question? Where do you get these "perspectives" if you wish? Since obviously you are very keen to dismiss everyone else's.

NPR, BBC, NYT, WSJ, the AP, The Hill, politico, Washington Post, several freelance reporters I follow, Planet Money and a bunch of other places. I get my local news from the Globe.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
July 08 2016 20:24 GMT
#84350
On July 09 2016 05:08 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 05:04 opisska wrote:
The news of the shooting largely missed me, because I was busy looking for a place to live. Then I went to wikipedia to check what happened and was first quite confused, what was the motive of the shooting - I would kinda have expected that if the shooting was racially motivated, that information would be prominently featured, together with the information that the shooter himself was black. But that's apparently not how wikipedia rolls these days. When I asked on the talk page, I got informed that determining that someone is black from looking at his picture is "original research".

Is that just a wikipedia thing where PC fans have a field day with their agenda, or is this a general thing in media being reluctant to acknowledge a racist act when it happens the other way around?


You are only allowed to shame white people for being racist, I tought that was well known.

Omg, this video does put the BLM thing on perspective:

https://youtu.be/ByE_CpXIjRA


It really depends on your definition of racism.

if you believe racism is about how a person feels about another person--then anyone can be racist.

If you believe racism is an institutionalized structure that creates an environment that causes relationships between two groups of people to be in stress with one group in a superior position than the other--then the group being suppressed by the superior position of the power group cannot be racist as that would suggest that the group in power is being oppressed by an institutionalized system.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 08 2016 20:24 GMT
#84351
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
July 08 2016 20:25 GMT
#84352
A little Off topic but some positivity is needed i feel, it put a smile on my face anyway.

Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
July 08 2016 20:27 GMT
#84353
On July 09 2016 05:16 NukeD wrote:
I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms?


A nation where the social, criminal, and economic distribution of resources, power, and beauty matches the population distribution of that nation.

A nation where if blacks are 12% of the population then they are also 12% of the poverty group. A population where if blacks were 12% of the population then they will be 12% of governmental leaders. A population where if blacks are 12% of the population that community also accounts for 12% of the total wealth.
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
July 08 2016 20:27 GMT
#84354
On July 09 2016 05:23 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 05:17 NukeD wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:15 Plansix wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:13 NukeD wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:02 Plansix wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:01 NukeD wrote:
On July 09 2016 04:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 09 2016 04:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 09 2016 04:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByE_CpXIjRA

it has been less then 24h since this happened.
Bit early for a 'the truth' video...

The truth is always available on youtube. Always. It provides you with everyone’s hot take on the current crisis of the day. Please like and subscribe.

Where do you get your truth?

I don’t. The truth is not available through media. Only perspectives.

Yet you clearly side with some perspectives over the others. How can you live with yourself if you know you can never grasp the truth in its pureness?

Yes, that is called making an informed decision. I understand the others perspectives, I just don’t agree with their conclusions.

Which brings me to my first question? Where do you get these "perspectives" if you wish? Since obviously you are very keen to dismiss everyone else's.

NPR, BBC, NYT, WSJ, the AP, The Hill, politico, Washington Post, several freelance reporters I follow, Planet Money and a bunch of other places. I get my local news from the Globe.

I swear I'll think of something smart to say about that, just give me a minute.
sorry for dem one liners
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2016 20:28 GMT
#84355
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
From WaPo, 2015:

Show nested quote +
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.

That is fine, but also zero comfort for the 4% of shootings that are unarmed black men. Really, I want the police being forced to shoot an unarmed person to be this crazy things that I never hear of and the situation was so extraordinary that made it necessary.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
July 08 2016 20:30 GMT
#84356
On July 09 2016 05:27 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 05:16 NukeD wrote:
I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms?


A nation where the social, criminal, and economic distribution of resources, power, and beauty matches the population distribution of that nation.

A nation where if blacks are 12% of the population then they are also 12% of the poverty group. A population where if blacks were 12% of the population then they will be 12% of governmental leaders. A population where if blacks are 12% of the population that community also accounts for 12% of the total wealth.

I believe we should live in a meritocracy and not try to artificially create these percentages. Everyone should be able to have a humane starting tho.
sorry for dem one liners
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-09 02:56:47
July 08 2016 20:31 GMT
#84357
On July 09 2016 05:28 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
From WaPo, 2015:

In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.

That is fine, but also zero comfort for the 4% of shootings that are unarmed black men. Really, I want the police being forced to shoot an unarmed person to be this crazy things that I never hear of and the situation was so extraordinary that made it necessary.


Do you feel like you always have to say something that disagrees with your narrative even when you have nothing to add?

And if you read that article, there's plenty to be outraged about, you could perhaps argue for some of those points if you actually read stuff. Or maybe even ask what counts as "ran when officers told them to halt." All interesting questions.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 08 2016 20:32 GMT
#84358
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
From WaPo, 2015:

Show nested quote +
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.

I imagine you're implying this is a small number.

But 4% is rather horrifying.

1/25 people killed by police fit an overly specific description. If that's just the "unarmed black men" subset, then how much higher is the total unjustifiable fatal police shootings?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22072 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 20:35:13
July 08 2016 20:34 GMT
#84359
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
From WaPo, 2015:

Show nested quote +
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.

Running away is not a reason to shoot anyone ffs. It is the opposite of a reason since your life is not in danger when a guy is running away!

Shooting the mentally ill is again, not a reason unless they force you into a life or death scenario. In which case the cop probably screwed up

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2016 20:34 GMT
#84360
On July 09 2016 05:31 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 05:28 Plansix wrote:
On July 09 2016 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
From WaPo, 2015:

In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.

That is fine, but also zero comfort for the 4% of shootings that are unarmed black men. Really, I want the police being forced to shoot an unarmed person to be this crazy things that I never hear of and the situation was so extraordinary that made it necessary.


Do you feel like you always have to say something that disagrees with your narrative even when you have nothing to add?

I don't have a narrative. 4% is a lot of unarmed people being shot. Also that is unarmed black men. That exudes unarmed every other type of human in the US.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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