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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:15 Plansix wrote: Yes, that is called making an informed decision. I understand the others perspectives, I just don’t agree with their conclusions. Which brings me to my first question? Where do you get these "perspectives" if you wish? Since obviously you are very keen to dismiss everyone else's. | ||
GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:16 NukeD wrote: I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms? More dead cops? But they are totally not responsible for the shootings in any form. | ||
heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:16 NukeD wrote: I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms? For law enforcement to stop shooting black people that don't deserve to be killed? | ||
opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Now excuse me from any further debate until I come up with a blog epic enough for my coming postcount ![]() | ||
NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:18 heliusx wrote: For law enforcement to stop shooting black people that don't deserve to be killed? I dont buy it. | ||
heliusx
United States2306 Posts
So be it. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:17 NukeD wrote: Which brings me to my first question? Where do you get these "perspectives" if you wish? Since obviously you are very keen to dismiss everyone else's. NPR, BBC, NYT, WSJ, the AP, The Hill, politico, Washington Post, several freelance reporters I follow, Planet Money and a bunch of other places. I get my local news from the Globe. | ||
Naracs_Duc
746 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:08 GoTuNk! wrote: You are only allowed to shame white people for being racist, I tought that was well known. Omg, this video does put the BLM thing on perspective: https://youtu.be/ByE_CpXIjRA It really depends on your definition of racism. if you believe racism is about how a person feels about another person--then anyone can be racist. If you believe racism is an institutionalized structure that creates an environment that causes relationships between two groups of people to be in stress with one group in a superior position than the other--then the group being suppressed by the superior position of the power group cannot be racist as that would suggest that the group in power is being oppressed by an institutionalized system. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
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Naracs_Duc
746 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:16 NukeD wrote: I wonder how BLM envision a future with which they would be happy with. What do they want exactly? In definite terms? A nation where the social, criminal, and economic distribution of resources, power, and beauty matches the population distribution of that nation. A nation where if blacks are 12% of the population then they are also 12% of the poverty group. A population where if blacks were 12% of the population then they will be 12% of governmental leaders. A population where if blacks are 12% of the population that community also accounts for 12% of the total wealth. | ||
NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:23 Plansix wrote: NPR, BBC, NYT, WSJ, the AP, The Hill, politico, Washington Post, several freelance reporters I follow, Planet Money and a bunch of other places. I get my local news from the Globe. I swear I'll think of something smart to say about that, just give me a minute. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
That is fine, but also zero comfort for the 4% of shootings that are unarmed black men. Really, I want the police being forced to shoot an unarmed person to be this crazy things that I never hear of and the situation was so extraordinary that made it necessary. | ||
NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:27 Naracs_Duc wrote: A nation where the social, criminal, and economic distribution of resources, power, and beauty matches the population distribution of that nation. A nation where if blacks are 12% of the population then they are also 12% of the poverty group. A population where if blacks were 12% of the population then they will be 12% of governmental leaders. A population where if blacks are 12% of the population that community also accounts for 12% of the total wealth. I believe we should live in a meritocracy and not try to artificially create these percentages. Everyone should be able to have a humane starting tho. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:28 Plansix wrote: That is fine, but also zero comfort for the 4% of shootings that are unarmed black men. Really, I want the police being forced to shoot an unarmed person to be this crazy things that I never hear of and the situation was so extraordinary that made it necessary. Do you feel like you always have to say something that disagrees with your narrative even when you have nothing to add? And if you read that article, there's plenty to be outraged about, you could perhaps argue for some of those points if you actually read stuff. Or maybe even ask what counts as "ran when officers told them to halt." All interesting questions. | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
I imagine you're implying this is a small number. But 4% is rather horrifying. 1/25 people killed by police fit an overly specific description. If that's just the "unarmed black men" subset, then how much higher is the total unjustifiable fatal police shootings? | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21694 Posts
Running away is not a reason to shoot anyone ffs. It is the opposite of a reason since your life is not in danger when a guy is running away! Shooting the mentally ill is again, not a reason unless they force you into a life or death scenario. In which case the cop probably screwed up | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 09 2016 05:31 zulu_nation8 wrote: Do you feel like you always have to say something that disagrees with your narrative even when you have nothing to add? I don't have a narrative. 4% is a lot of unarmed people being shot. Also that is unarmed black men. That exudes unarmed every other type of human in the US. | ||
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