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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2016 18:31 GMT
#84301
On July 09 2016 03:18 NukeD wrote:
Wait are people seriously upset that they used a robot to blow him up?

I think it is a general concern of robots being used to deliver lethal explosives. In this case I agree with the tactic. But I could very easily see police going to the “robot bomb” to deal with people they consider dangerous, but are not an immediate threat.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 18:32:41
July 08 2016 18:31 GMT
#84302
On July 09 2016 03:25 farvacola wrote:
For some reason, I can't help but picture the robot as the interrogation bot from A New Hope.


All of my mental images are BB-8 :<

On July 09 2016 03:31 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 03:18 NukeD wrote:
Wait are people seriously upset that they used a robot to blow him up?

I think it is a general concern of robots being used to deliver lethal explosives. In this case I agree with the tactic. But I could very easily see police going to the “robot bomb” to deal with people they consider dangerous, but are not an immediate threat.


Yeah. Imagine if this is what SWAT teams did when they bust down the wrong person's door. Oy.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 18:35:57
July 08 2016 18:32 GMT
#84303
On July 09 2016 03:28 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 09 2016 03:24 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On July 09 2016 03:18 NukeD wrote:
Wait are people seriously upset that they used a robot to blow him up?


I don't think its the robot so much as the blowing him up. You have to admit the police bombing someone is pretty weird.


Did they actually send a bomb to blow him up or was it a blast to knock out the door that incidentally killed him?


They bombed him intentionally to kill him. That is confirmed by the PD themselves.
But I still don't see the difference between bombing him and shooting him.




I understand this is in theory a pretty crazy corner case scenario that happened. I just don't want police and people to start to think that bombs are acceptable weapons to use as peace officers in the civilian world.

Using an explosive should literally be the equivalent of the nuclear option. As in its happened twice ever, this isn't just another part of the arsenal. It's the absolute last possible option only used in absolute extreme circumstances. I don't want this to be some precedent for more militarization of police.
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superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
July 08 2016 18:37 GMT
#84304
On July 09 2016 03:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 03:28 mahrgell wrote:
On July 09 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 09 2016 03:24 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On July 09 2016 03:18 NukeD wrote:
Wait are people seriously upset that they used a robot to blow him up?


I don't think its the robot so much as the blowing him up. You have to admit the police bombing someone is pretty weird.


Did they actually send a bomb to blow him up or was it a blast to knock out the door that incidentally killed him?


They bombed him intentionally to kill him. That is confirmed by the PD themselves.
But I still don't see the difference between bombing him and shooting him.




I understand this is in theory a pretty crazy corner case scenario that happened. I just don't want police and people to start to think that bombs are acceptable weapons to use as peace officers in the civilian world.



As far as they knew he was an armed and trained ex-military member who had already gunned down multiple officers. He also could have had explosives on him or near him. Their options at that point were to either send in a SWAT team which could have potentially been disastrous, or go with the safer route and go for the kill with a robot.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 18:42:34
July 08 2016 18:39 GMT
#84305
I'm literally not worried about police bombing my house with robots at all. This was a very unique circumstance in which it was deemed appropriate.

I'm more worried about more police executions and retarded psychos trying to murder white people and cops in response.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 08 2016 18:41 GMT
#84306
On July 09 2016 03:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 03:28 mahrgell wrote:
On July 09 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 09 2016 03:24 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On July 09 2016 03:18 NukeD wrote:
Wait are people seriously upset that they used a robot to blow him up?


I don't think its the robot so much as the blowing him up. You have to admit the police bombing someone is pretty weird.


Did they actually send a bomb to blow him up or was it a blast to knock out the door that incidentally killed him?


They bombed him intentionally to kill him. That is confirmed by the PD themselves.
But I still don't see the difference between bombing him and shooting him.




I understand this is in theory a pretty crazy corner case scenario that happened. I just don't want police and people to start to think that bombs are acceptable weapons to use as peace officers in the civilian world.

Using an explosive should literally be the equivalent of the nuclear option. As in its happened twice ever, this isn't just another part of the arsenal. It's the absolute last possible option only used in absolute extreme circumstances. I don't want this to be some precedent for more militarization of police.



Oh, I'm totally with you on your conclusion. Those tools should certainly never be used by regular police forces.
I just think, that this was there corner case where this was completely legitimate.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
July 08 2016 18:44 GMT
#84307
On July 09 2016 03:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'm literally not worried about police bombing my house with robots at all. This was a very unique circumstance in which it was deemed appropriate.

I'm more worried about more police executions and retarded psychos trying to murder white people and cops in response.


Most people are not worried about police bomb their houses. But for some neighborhood it is a legit concern.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2016 18:47 GMT
#84308
On July 09 2016 03:44 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 03:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'm literally not worried about police bombing my house with robots at all. This was a very unique circumstance in which it was deemed appropriate.

I'm more worried about more police executions and retarded psychos trying to murder white people and cops in response.


Most people are not worried about police bomb their houses. But for some neighborhood it is a legit concern.

Still, there is no need to get super concerned until we hear of a police department using it to deal with an unstable person in their house with a knife. Right now, it’s a very new thing.
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1399 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 19:02:05
July 08 2016 18:56 GMT
#84309
On July 09 2016 03:25 farvacola wrote:
For some reason, I can't help but picture the robot as the interrogation bot from A New Hope.


My first impression was a wall-e like robot.
A cute little robot with a bomb on a platter ready to be served.

A drone used to kill someone.
If this is allowed then I don't see why flying drones to take someone out would not be allowed.
Could save a lot of lives but its logical people are scared of it.

Cant help but think about Obama,all this will lower his approval rating is my guess.
Its not his fault but people will hold the president responsible for everything that's going wrong.
Would have hoped his presidency would have let to more integration and a more safe society but this does not seem to be the case.
It are still outliers in the end i think,these events. But the media jumping on everything paints an ugly picture overall.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 19:01:56
July 08 2016 18:57 GMT
#84310
On July 09 2016 03:44 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 03:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'm literally not worried about police bombing my house with robots at all. This was a very unique circumstance in which it was deemed appropriate.

I'm more worried about more police executions and retarded psychos trying to murder white people and cops in response.


Most people are not worried about police bomb their houses. But for some neighborhood it is a legit concern.


They don't have anything to worry about if they don't arm themselves, go outside, and shoot a dozen cops at a public rally while making bomb threats. This is an unprecedented case.

There is no reason for anyone to worry about their houses getting blown up by robot bombs right now that's just deflecting from the actual fucking shit that just went down the past couple days.

Whatever if you guys want to be scared of it go for it who am I to tell you you shouldn't be
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
July 08 2016 18:59 GMT
#84311
So the Terminator will not knock and ask for Sarah Connor in the future, instead he'll just deliver a bomb.....
That will be another unnecessary sequel, I won't watch!
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 19:04:02
July 08 2016 18:59 GMT
#84312
On July 09 2016 03:56 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 03:25 farvacola wrote:
For some reason, I can't help but picture the robot as the interrogation bot from A New Hope.


My first impression was a wall-e like robot.
A cute little robot with a bomb on a platter ready to be served.

A drone used to kill someone.
If this is allowed then I don't see why flying drones to take someone out would not be allowed.
Could save a lot of lives but its logical people are scared of it.


Delivering bombs with robots sounds 'a little' out of the scope of the police force. There's a reason you use drones at the other end of the world and not on domestic soil. Of course the whole technology coming back is one of the drawbacks of using it internationally in the first place.

Is it really supposed to be normal that police enforcement fights para military snipers with remote bombs in the middle of a fucking city? What's next, Gundams?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 08 2016 19:08 GMT
#84313
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 08 2016 19:09 GMT
#84314
On July 09 2016 03:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/XenGod/status/751249860569866240




https://twitter.com/dutchmaster_ray/status/751297458450247680?ref_src=twsrc^tfw






These kinds of people (and those who more quietly and implicitly enable these killers) severely undermine any form of anti police abuse arguments. Start killing cops (and condoning the actions of those who do through general police hate) and your arguments become invalid in the eyes of many.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22072 Posts
July 08 2016 19:10 GMT
#84315
On July 09 2016 04:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByE_CpXIjRA

it has been less then 24h since this happened.
Bit early for a 'the truth' video...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
July 08 2016 19:11 GMT
#84316
Derivative YouTube videos are really not a good source of information....
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2016 19:13 GMT
#84317
On July 09 2016 04:10 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 04:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByE_CpXIjRA

it has been less then 24h since this happened.
Bit early for a 'the truth' video...

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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 08 2016 19:13 GMT
#84318
More than 4,000 people have signed a White House petition urging the US Federal Government to formally recognise the Black Lives Matter (BLM) campaign as a "terrorist organsiation". The calls come as five police officers were shot dead by snipers during a BLM protest in Dallas on 7 July.

The petition was started one day before the shooting, however, it gained popularity following events in Dallas. Anyone aged 13 or older can sign a petition on the website and the White House will respond to the request should it gain 100,000 signatures by 5 August.

The creator of the petition, identified only as Y.S., wrote: "Terrorism is defined as 'the use of violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims'. This definition is the same definition used to declare Isis and other groups as terrorist organisations. Black Lives Matter has earned this title due to its actions in Ferguson, Baltimore, and even at a Bernie Sanders rally."

The petition does not elaborate further on the actions of the BLM campaign, however, it urges the Pentagon to classify the group in the same category as the Islamic State (Isis) terrorist organsiation. It notes that this needs to be done "on the grounds of principle, integrity, morality and safety".

One of the police officers killed during the shooting has been named as 43-year-old Brent Thompson of the Dallas Area Rapid Transit (Dart) team. He is the first officer to have been killed in the line of duty since the department formed in 1989.

A Dart spokesperson said: "As you can imagine, our hearts are broken. This is something that touches every part of our organisation. We are grateful to report the three other Dart police officers shot during the protest are expected to recover from their injuries."

The BLM protest was sparked by the shootings of Philando Castile and Alton Sterling by police in Minnesota and Louisiana. It remains unclear who is behind the shooting of police officers at the event, however, three suspects are in custody. They are said to be refusing to cooperate with the police.

Castile was shot by a police officer in Falcon Heights on 6 July during a traffic stop. His girlfriend, Lavish Reynolds, live-streamed the aftermath of the shooting as her boyfriend bled to death in the driver's seat. Sterling, 37, died from gunshot wounds to the chest and back one day earlier after being apprehended by police in the state's capital Baton Rouge.

There were more than 1,000 fatal shootings by the police in the US last year, with black men killed in disproportionate numbers.

Source

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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 08 2016 19:18 GMT
#84319
On July 09 2016 04:10 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2016 04:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByE_CpXIjRA

it has been less then 24h since this happened.
Bit early for a 'the truth' video...


-shrug- if you say so
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2016 19:19 GMT
#84320
Well 4000 is four times larger than the population of my home town, which tried to secede from the union twice. So this is clearly serious stuff that should be taken seriously.

Black Lives Matter denounced the shootings.
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