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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:18 NukeD wrote: Wait are people seriously upset that they used a robot to blow him up? I think it is a general concern of robots being used to deliver lethal explosives. In this case I agree with the tactic. But I could very easily see police going to the “robot bomb” to deal with people they consider dangerous, but are not an immediate threat. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:25 farvacola wrote: For some reason, I can't help but picture the robot as the interrogation bot from A New Hope. All of my mental images are BB-8 :< On July 09 2016 03:31 Plansix wrote: I think it is a general concern of robots being used to deliver lethal explosives. In this case I agree with the tactic. But I could very easily see police going to the “robot bomb” to deal with people they consider dangerous, but are not an immediate threat. Yeah. Imagine if this is what SWAT teams did when they bust down the wrong person's door. Oy. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:28 mahrgell wrote: They bombed him intentionally to kill him. That is confirmed by the PD themselves. But I still don't see the difference between bombing him and shooting him. I understand this is in theory a pretty crazy corner case scenario that happened. I just don't want police and people to start to think that bombs are acceptable weapons to use as peace officers in the civilian world. Using an explosive should literally be the equivalent of the nuclear option. As in its happened twice ever, this isn't just another part of the arsenal. It's the absolute last possible option only used in absolute extreme circumstances. I don't want this to be some precedent for more militarization of police. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:32 OuchyDathurts wrote: I understand this is in theory a pretty crazy corner case scenario that happened. I just don't want police and people to start to think that bombs are acceptable weapons to use as peace officers in the civilian world. As far as they knew he was an armed and trained ex-military member who had already gunned down multiple officers. He also could have had explosives on him or near him. Their options at that point were to either send in a SWAT team which could have potentially been disastrous, or go with the safer route and go for the kill with a robot. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
I'm more worried about more police executions and retarded psychos trying to murder white people and cops in response. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:32 OuchyDathurts wrote: I understand this is in theory a pretty crazy corner case scenario that happened. I just don't want police and people to start to think that bombs are acceptable weapons to use as peace officers in the civilian world. Using an explosive should literally be the equivalent of the nuclear option. As in its happened twice ever, this isn't just another part of the arsenal. It's the absolute last possible option only used in absolute extreme circumstances. I don't want this to be some precedent for more militarization of police. Oh, I'm totally with you on your conclusion. Those tools should certainly never be used by regular police forces. I just think, that this was there corner case where this was completely legitimate. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I'm literally not worried about police bombing my house with robots at all. This was a very unique circumstance in which it was deemed appropriate. I'm more worried about more police executions and retarded psychos trying to murder white people and cops in response. Most people are not worried about police bomb their houses. But for some neighborhood it is a legit concern. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:44 ragz_gt wrote: Most people are not worried about police bomb their houses. But for some neighborhood it is a legit concern. Still, there is no need to get super concerned until we hear of a police department using it to deal with an unstable person in their house with a knife. Right now, it’s a very new thing. | ||
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pmh
1352 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:25 farvacola wrote: For some reason, I can't help but picture the robot as the interrogation bot from A New Hope. My first impression was a wall-e like robot. A cute little robot with a bomb on a platter ready to be served. A drone used to kill someone. If this is allowed then I don't see why flying drones to take someone out would not be allowed. Could save a lot of lives but its logical people are scared of it. Cant help but think about Obama,all this will lower his approval rating is my guess. Its not his fault but people will hold the president responsible for everything that's going wrong. Would have hoped his presidency would have let to more integration and a more safe society but this does not seem to be the case. It are still outliers in the end i think,these events. But the media jumping on everything paints an ugly picture overall. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:44 ragz_gt wrote: Most people are not worried about police bomb their houses. But for some neighborhood it is a legit concern. They don't have anything to worry about if they don't arm themselves, go outside, and shoot a dozen cops at a public rally while making bomb threats. This is an unprecedented case. There is no reason for anyone to worry about their houses getting blown up by robot bombs right now that's just deflecting from the actual fucking shit that just went down the past couple days. Whatever if you guys want to be scared of it go for it who am I to tell you you shouldn't be | ||
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thePunGun
598 Posts
That will be another unnecessary sequel, I won't watch! | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:56 pmh wrote: My first impression was a wall-e like robot. A cute little robot with a bomb on a platter ready to be served. A drone used to kill someone. If this is allowed then I don't see why flying drones to take someone out would not be allowed. Could save a lot of lives but its logical people are scared of it. Delivering bombs with robots sounds 'a little' out of the scope of the police force. There's a reason you use drones at the other end of the world and not on domestic soil. Of course the whole technology coming back is one of the drawbacks of using it internationally in the first place. Is it really supposed to be normal that police enforcement fights para military snipers with remote bombs in the middle of a fucking city? What's next, Gundams? | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On July 09 2016 03:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote: + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/XenGod/status/751249860569866240 https://twitter.com/dutchmaster_ray/status/751297458450247680?ref_src=twsrc^tfw These kinds of people (and those who more quietly and implicitly enable these killers) severely undermine any form of anti police abuse arguments. Start killing cops (and condoning the actions of those who do through general police hate) and your arguments become invalid in the eyes of many. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21694 Posts
On July 09 2016 04:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByE_CpXIjRA it has been less then 24h since this happened. Bit early for a 'the truth' video... | ||
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 09 2016 04:10 Gorsameth wrote: it has been less then 24h since this happened. Bit early for a 'the truth' video... The truth is always available on youtube. Always. It provides you with everyone’s hot take on the current crisis of the day. Please like and subscribe. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
More than 4,000 people have signed a White House petition urging the US Federal Government to formally recognise the Black Lives Matter (BLM) campaign as a "terrorist organsiation". The calls come as five police officers were shot dead by snipers during a BLM protest in Dallas on 7 July. The petition was started one day before the shooting, however, it gained popularity following events in Dallas. Anyone aged 13 or older can sign a petition on the website and the White House will respond to the request should it gain 100,000 signatures by 5 August. The creator of the petition, identified only as Y.S., wrote: "Terrorism is defined as 'the use of violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims'. This definition is the same definition used to declare Isis and other groups as terrorist organisations. Black Lives Matter has earned this title due to its actions in Ferguson, Baltimore, and even at a Bernie Sanders rally." The petition does not elaborate further on the actions of the BLM campaign, however, it urges the Pentagon to classify the group in the same category as the Islamic State (Isis) terrorist organsiation. It notes that this needs to be done "on the grounds of principle, integrity, morality and safety". One of the police officers killed during the shooting has been named as 43-year-old Brent Thompson of the Dallas Area Rapid Transit (Dart) team. He is the first officer to have been killed in the line of duty since the department formed in 1989. A Dart spokesperson said: "As you can imagine, our hearts are broken. This is something that touches every part of our organisation. We are grateful to report the three other Dart police officers shot during the protest are expected to recover from their injuries." The BLM protest was sparked by the shootings of Philando Castile and Alton Sterling by police in Minnesota and Louisiana. It remains unclear who is behind the shooting of police officers at the event, however, three suspects are in custody. They are said to be refusing to cooperate with the police. Castile was shot by a police officer in Falcon Heights on 6 July during a traffic stop. His girlfriend, Lavish Reynolds, live-streamed the aftermath of the shooting as her boyfriend bled to death in the driver's seat. Sterling, 37, died from gunshot wounds to the chest and back one day earlier after being apprehended by police in the state's capital Baton Rouge. There were more than 1,000 fatal shootings by the police in the US last year, with black men killed in disproportionate numbers. Source Petition | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On July 09 2016 04:10 Gorsameth wrote: it has been less then 24h since this happened. Bit early for a 'the truth' video... -shrug- if you say so | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Black Lives Matter denounced the shootings. | ||
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