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On July 03 2016 09:32 Sermokala wrote:
Its a PR snafu that will get blown out of proportion beacuse its a campaign. Its a guy picking one shape over another shape.
Or its just another easily shielded publicity stunt. Either way it just makes people stupid talking about it.
what he said.
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On July 03 2016 06:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 06:43 Nyxisto wrote:
Don't exactly need to be a conspiracy theorist to assume that a David star on a pile of money isn't exactly smart imagery, especially given the fact that Trump's campaign is already full of "the globalist Jewish cabal is ruining the life of the glorious worker" types Oh are they full of them now? Hahaha. Pathetic claim, you're better off returning to "they're all racists," it has more pull. I refuse to believe someone that looks at it before being told what to look for comes up with something other than--Hillary's most corrupt ever says Trump.
I love watching you try so hard to convince yourself that everything Trump does is totally fine.
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For the people here that were arguing that legal issues will hold self-driving cars back...
A fatal accident in which the driver of a Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA.O) Model S car operating in Autopilot mode was killed in a collision with a truck has prompted an investigation by federal highway safety regulators, the U.S. government and Tesla disclosed on Thursday.
The investigation of the first known fatality to involve a Model S operating on Autopilot comes as Tesla and other automakers are gearing up to offer systems that allow vehicles to pilot themselves under certain conditions across a wide range of vehicles over the next several years.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it is investigating 25,000 Model S sedans that are equipped with the Autopilot system.
The accident, which according to a report from the Florida Highway Patrol killed 40-year-old Joshua Brown on a clear, dry roadway on May 7 in Williston, Florida, will add fuel to a debate within the auto industry and in legal circles over the safety of systems that take partial control of steering and braking from drivers.
The NHTSA said preliminary reports indicate the crash occurred when a tractor-trailer made a left turn in front of the Tesla at an intersection.
Luxury electric car maker Tesla said in a blogpost on Thursday that "neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied."
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On July 03 2016 10:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 06:55 Danglars wrote:On July 03 2016 06:43 Nyxisto wrote:
Don't exactly need to be a conspiracy theorist to assume that a David star on a pile of money isn't exactly smart imagery, especially given the fact that Trump's campaign is already full of "the globalist Jewish cabal is ruining the life of the glorious worker" types Oh are they full of them now? Hahaha. Pathetic claim, you're better off returning to "they're all racists," it has more pull. I refuse to believe someone that looks at it before being told what to look for comes up with something other than--Hillary's most corrupt ever says Trump. I love watching you try so hard to convince yourself that everything Trump does is totally fine. His detractors can switch to regular criticisms instead of absurd criticisms any time now. God knows if you call him idiotic to pan NAFTA, I will join you. Libel laws, his campaign's refusal to define principles behind the policy/pronouncements, supporter ground game ... those are just off the top of my head. I suspect you, on the other hand, want to push all illegitimate criticism through sans analysis. Because it's Trump and you oppose him (perhaps religiously, who knows)!
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On July 03 2016 09:19 plated.rawr wrote:
I can't really see any positive angle here.
The way I see it, is that there's two outcomes here - either the dog-whistling anti-semitism was intended, or Trumps staffers are incompetent. If it was intended, then that's another line underlining the narrative of a racist Trump flirting with fringe elements. If it wasn't intended, then Trump is incapable of hiring competent people to do a job for him.
If the first is right, your candidate has, at best, a very questionable methods and or ethics. If the second is right, then any argument of him "hiring the right people" once he's in power seems very much less likely.
Of these two alternatives, incompetence seems the best outcome. However, neither alternative is something I'd want in a person in any sort of position of power.
More than anything, I feel it's a PR failure. Then again, Trump seems to feed on negative publicity, so who knows.
Anyone who was paying attention already knows the second has been true this campaign season. Whether failing to register as delegates properly, not informing him about what has been ghostwritten on his own website, or not informing him about key political issues that are part of his platform (e.g. who is in the TPP), there's no reason whatsoever to believe his statements about "hiring the right people" if all you examine is the campaign season.
And no, winning is not evidence that you are hiring the right people.
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The Democratic National Committee unveiled a draft of its party platform Friday, calling for —among other progressive causes — a $15 minimum wage, free community college and abolition of the death penalty.
The draft was approved last weekend in St. Louis by 13 of the 15 members on the drafting committee, with one abstention and one who missed the vote.
Supporters of Bernie Sanders have expressed displeasure with the way the platform draft handles Medicare expansion, a carbon tax, a fracking ban and the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Sanders policy director Warren Gunnels told POLITICO that the trade deal is "the most significant issue for us."
On minimum wage, Bernie Sanders contended throughout his primary with Hillary Clinton that the federal minimum wage should be raised to $15, while the former secretary of state supported a $12 minimum federally and higher wages as decided on the local and state levels, both principles reflected in the draft.
"Democrats believe that the current minimum wage is a starvation wage and must be increased to a living wage. No one who works full time should have to raise a family in poverty. We believe that Americans should earn at least $15 an hour and have the right to form or join a union," the draft reads. "We applaud the approaches taken by states like New York and California. We should raise and index the minimum wage, give all Americans the ability to join a union regardless of where they work, and create new ways for workers to have power in the economy."
The Sanders campaign notched victories with language on abolishing the death penalty ("a cruel and unusual form of punishment" that "has no place in the United States of America"), expanding Social Security by increasing how much Americans making more than $250,000, and breaking up the country's largest financial institutions.
The draft document is headed for a full vote before the 187-member platform committee on July 8 and July 9 in Orlando, Florida.
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On July 03 2016 22:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +The Democratic National Committee unveiled a draft of its party platform Friday, calling for —among other progressive causes — a $15 minimum wage, free community college and abolition of the death penalty.
The draft was approved last weekend in St. Louis by 13 of the 15 members on the drafting committee, with one abstention and one who missed the vote.
Supporters of Bernie Sanders have expressed displeasure with the way the platform draft handles Medicare expansion, a carbon tax, a fracking ban and the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Sanders policy director Warren Gunnels told POLITICO that the trade deal is "the most significant issue for us."
On minimum wage, Bernie Sanders contended throughout his primary with Hillary Clinton that the federal minimum wage should be raised to $15, while the former secretary of state supported a $12 minimum federally and higher wages as decided on the local and state levels, both principles reflected in the draft.
"Democrats believe that the current minimum wage is a starvation wage and must be increased to a living wage. No one who works full time should have to raise a family in poverty. We believe that Americans should earn at least $15 an hour and have the right to form or join a union," the draft reads. "We applaud the approaches taken by states like New York and California. We should raise and index the minimum wage, give all Americans the ability to join a union regardless of where they work, and create new ways for workers to have power in the economy."
The Sanders campaign notched victories with language on abolishing the death penalty ("a cruel and unusual form of punishment" that "has no place in the United States of America"), expanding Social Security by increasing how much Americans making more than $250,000, and breaking up the country's largest financial institutions.
The draft document is headed for a full vote before the 187-member platform committee on July 8 and July 9 in Orlando, Florida. Source
"We are now Bernie"
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On July 03 2016 13:56 LegalLord wrote:For the people here that were arguing that legal issues will hold self-driving cars back... Show nested quote + A fatal accident in which the driver of a Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA.O) Model S car operating in Autopilot mode was killed in a collision with a truck has prompted an investigation by federal highway safety regulators, the U.S. government and Tesla disclosed on Thursday.
The investigation of the first known fatality to involve a Model S operating on Autopilot comes as Tesla and other automakers are gearing up to offer systems that allow vehicles to pilot themselves under certain conditions across a wide range of vehicles over the next several years.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it is investigating 25,000 Model S sedans that are equipped with the Autopilot system.
The accident, which according to a report from the Florida Highway Patrol killed 40-year-old Joshua Brown on a clear, dry roadway on May 7 in Williston, Florida, will add fuel to a debate within the auto industry and in legal circles over the safety of systems that take partial control of steering and braking from drivers.
The NHTSA said preliminary reports indicate the crash occurred when a tractor-trailer made a left turn in front of the Tesla at an intersection.
Luxury electric car maker Tesla said in a blogpost on Thursday that "neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied." Source
Not sure why that would be held against the car. The statement even says the guy himself didn't see the truck.
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Without following American presidential campaign too much, I decided to share my opinion.
I feel like Hilary Clinton is fucking corrupt, while Donald Trump sometimes says the right things in a wrong way (causing controversy). I also think his opinions and statements are way too volatile to be reliable. He seems to change his mind a lot. I don't think America wins either way, but I guess one should choose the less evil?
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It's like British politics, you need to pick the best of a bad bunch.
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On July 03 2016 13:56 LegalLord wrote:For the people here that were arguing that legal issues will hold self-driving cars back... Show nested quote + A fatal accident in which the driver of a Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA.O) Model S car operating in Autopilot mode was killed in a collision with a truck has prompted an investigation by federal highway safety regulators, the U.S. government and Tesla disclosed on Thursday.
The investigation of the first known fatality to involve a Model S operating on Autopilot comes as Tesla and other automakers are gearing up to offer systems that allow vehicles to pilot themselves under certain conditions across a wide range of vehicles over the next several years.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it is investigating 25,000 Model S sedans that are equipped with the Autopilot system.
The accident, which according to a report from the Florida Highway Patrol killed 40-year-old Joshua Brown on a clear, dry roadway on May 7 in Williston, Florida, will add fuel to a debate within the auto industry and in legal circles over the safety of systems that take partial control of steering and braking from drivers.
The NHTSA said preliminary reports indicate the crash occurred when a tractor-trailer made a left turn in front of the Tesla at an intersection.
Luxury electric car maker Tesla said in a blogpost on Thursday that "neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied." Source
That wasn't a self-driving car.
The technology that Tesla uses in their autopilot and the stuff that Google uses are completely different.
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On July 03 2016 22:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +The Democratic National Committee unveiled a draft of its party platform Friday, calling for —among other progressive causes — a $15 minimum wage, free community college and abolition of the death penalty.
The draft was approved last weekend in St. Louis by 13 of the 15 members on the drafting committee, with one abstention and one who missed the vote.
Supporters of Bernie Sanders have expressed displeasure with the way the platform draft handles Medicare expansion, a carbon tax, a fracking ban and the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Sanders policy director Warren Gunnels told POLITICO that the trade deal is "the most significant issue for us."
On minimum wage, Bernie Sanders contended throughout his primary with Hillary Clinton that the federal minimum wage should be raised to $15, while the former secretary of state supported a $12 minimum federally and higher wages as decided on the local and state levels, both principles reflected in the draft.
"Democrats believe that the current minimum wage is a starvation wage and must be increased to a living wage. No one who works full time should have to raise a family in poverty. We believe that Americans should earn at least $15 an hour and have the right to form or join a union," the draft reads. "We applaud the approaches taken by states like New York and California. We should raise and index the minimum wage, give all Americans the ability to join a union regardless of where they work, and create new ways for workers to have power in the economy."
The Sanders campaign notched victories with language on abolishing the death penalty ("a cruel and unusual form of punishment" that "has no place in the United States of America"), expanding Social Security by increasing how much Americans making more than $250,000, and breaking up the country's largest financial institutions.
The draft document is headed for a full vote before the 187-member platform committee on July 8 and July 9 in Orlando, Florida. Source I particularly liked their Racial Justice and Trade sections.
We should raise and index the minimum wage, give all Americans the ability to join a union regardless of where they work, and create new ways for workers to have power in the economy. The devil's in the details.
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why do you percieve the ability to join unions to be devilish?
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And CNN is paying this guy...
Former Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski on Sunday blamed the blowup over his former campaign's use of imagery some saw as anti-Semitic on "political correctness."
The controversy follows a tweet on Saturday with a graphic labeling Hillary Clinton the "most corrupt candidate ever." The text was laid over a six-pointed star and on a pile of money. Trump deleted the tweet hours later. The Clinton campaign questioned the use of the six-pointed star, which resembles the Star of David, an important Jewish symbol. In the past, Trump has faced criticism for anti-Semitic remarks from his supporters, and the candidate's support for Israel has been called into question.
"The bottom line is this is political correctness run amok. If this were to be a star next to Hillary Clinton without the cash behind it, no one would be questioning this," Lewandowski said during an interview on "State of the Union" on Sunday. (Lewandowski was recently hired by CNN following his departure from the Trump campaign.)
Lewandowski claimed the image was meant to evoke law enforcement.
"This is the same star that sheriff's departments all over the country use to represent law enforcement," he said. "You're reading into something that isn't there.
"They put a new tweet up with the circle," he added. "The message is the same. Let's look at the message. The message is that Hillary Clinton is corrupt."
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The day everyone is allowed to join a union is the day all 24/7 manufacturing jobs die.
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On July 04 2016 01:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:And CNN is paying this guy... Show nested quote +Former Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski on Sunday blamed the blowup over his former campaign's use of imagery some saw as anti-Semitic on "political correctness."
The controversy follows a tweet on Saturday with a graphic labeling Hillary Clinton the "most corrupt candidate ever." The text was laid over a six-pointed star and on a pile of money. Trump deleted the tweet hours later. The Clinton campaign questioned the use of the six-pointed star, which resembles the Star of David, an important Jewish symbol. In the past, Trump has faced criticism for anti-Semitic remarks from his supporters, and the candidate's support for Israel has been called into question.
"The bottom line is this is political correctness run amok. If this were to be a star next to Hillary Clinton without the cash behind it, no one would be questioning this," Lewandowski said during an interview on "State of the Union" on Sunday. (Lewandowski was recently hired by CNN following his departure from the Trump campaign.)
Lewandowski claimed the image was meant to evoke law enforcement.
"This is the same star that sheriff's departments all over the country use to represent law enforcement," he said. "You're reading into something that isn't there.
"They put a new tweet up with the circle," he added. "The message is the same. Let's look at the message. The message is that Hillary Clinton is corrupt." Source
While he is correct that this resolves around the 'PC' argument that Trump plays around with, I do miss the little circles at the points of the star for discerning it as a sheriff star.
Aka that line of argument is BS.
As for why he is working for CNN? Because it brings ratings. I expect him to be cut loose as soon as his usefulness as a rating piece ends (aka the elections end).
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On July 04 2016 01:39 Chewbacca. wrote:
The day everyone is allowed to join a union is the day all 24/7 manufacturing jobs die.
The rest of the world seems to do fine with unions and round the clock manufacturing.
Tho I will admit that US unions tend to miss the part about the good of the whole company rather then enriching the employees at all costs.
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On July 03 2016 14:28 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 10:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 03 2016 06:55 Danglars wrote:On July 03 2016 06:43 Nyxisto wrote:
Don't exactly need to be a conspiracy theorist to assume that a David star on a pile of money isn't exactly smart imagery, especially given the fact that Trump's campaign is already full of "the globalist Jewish cabal is ruining the life of the glorious worker" types Oh are they full of them now? Hahaha. Pathetic claim, you're better off returning to "they're all racists," it has more pull. I refuse to believe someone that looks at it before being told what to look for comes up with something other than--Hillary's most corrupt ever says Trump. I love watching you try so hard to convince yourself that everything Trump does is totally fine. His detractors can switch to regular criticisms instead of absurd criticisms any time now. God knows if you call him idiotic to pan NAFTA, I will join you. Libel laws, his campaign's refusal to define principles behind the policy/pronouncements, supporter ground game ... those are just off the top of my head. I suspect you, on the other hand, want to push all illegitimate criticism through sans analysis. Because it's Trump and you oppose him (perhaps religiously, who knows)!
But everybody with a brain already agrees that his 'policies' are terrible, so all we really can do is talk about his silly antics.
Trump himself has not yet started to actually engage anybody on politics and instead opted to call everybody a liar or crooked. How is anybody supposed to discuss this?
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On July 03 2016 09:32 Sermokala wrote:
Its a PR snafu that will get blown out of proportion beacuse its a campaign. Its a guy picking one shape over another shape.
Or its just another easily shielded publicity stunt. Either way it just makes people stupid talking about it.
I assumed so as well but it doesn't seem to be the case. The image wasn't made by Trump's team but by someone on /pol/, his staff often tweets the less controversial memes from /pol/ and /r/the_donald and probably just overlooked that contentious element. Easy mistake to make when you have such a fanbase.
https://mic.com/articles/147711/donald-trump-s-star-of-david-hillary-clinton-meme-was-created-by-white-supremacists
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On July 04 2016 01:42 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2016 01:39 Chewbacca. wrote:
The day everyone is allowed to join a union is the day all 24/7 manufacturing jobs die. The rest of the world seems to do fine with unions and round the clock manufacturing. Tho I will admit that US unions tend to miss the part about the good of the whole company rather then enriching the employees at all costs.
Maybe, but I can guarantee you that my company would shut down immediately if they had to start paying salaried employees the type of benefits that the hourly unions get. If we got over-time/"call-time pay" for every time we had to come in during the middle of the night my salary would probably be doubled.
Not to mention I'd be getting like 3x the vacation through just calling off.
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