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The Libertarian candidate for president, Gary Johnson, said on Sunday Donald Trump’s recent comments were “clearly” racist, a day after the presumptive Republican nominee faced accusations of antisemitism and in the same week that he said he would consider firing government employees who wear hijabs.
“He has said 100 things that would disqualify anyone else from running for president but it doesn’t seem to affect him,” Johnson told CNN’s State of the Union. “The stuff he’s saying is just incendiary. It’s racist.”
Earlier this week, a New Hampshire woman asked Trump at one of his rallies whether, as president, he would replace Transportation Security Administration workers who wear “heebeejabbies” – apparently a reference to Muslim headscarves called hijabs.
“We are looking at that,” Trump replied. “We’re looking at a lot of things.”
At the same rally, Trump pointed to a plane flying overhead and declared: “That could be a Mexican plane up there. They’re getting ready to attack.”
On Saturday, Trump posted online an image of the presumptive Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, superimposed over a pile of cash and a six-pointed star carrying the text “most corrupt candidate ever”.
He was quickly accused of antisemitism, for the image and his use of the phrase “America first”, which the Anti-Defamation League has urged him not to use because of its history with Nazi sympathizers in the 1930s.
The news site Mic traced the image to a white supremacist message board, where on Sunday commenters celebrated the death of Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor and Nobel peace laureate.
Trump or his campaign deleted the tweet after several hours and posted a new image featuring a circle instead of a star. His campaign did not respond to a request for comment.
Is that plane quote real or an exaggeration by the reporter? What is the logic behind that? How are Mexicans attacking with planes? Why am I trying to understand him?
Then why remove it... and is he saying Sheriff's across the country are corrupt by that logic?
Donald Trump brushed off concerns Monday about possible anti-Semitic imagery in a tweet posted from his account. The tweet, which was posted and deleted Saturday, featured a picture of Hillary Clinton on a backdrop of money next to a six-sided star that read “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!” It drew widespread backlash almost immediately for resembling the Star of David, an important Jewish symbol.
After the tweet was deleted, a revised graphic was posted to Trump’s Twitter account, this time with a circle subbed in for the star.
"Dishonest media is trying their absolute best to depict a star in a tweet as the Star of David rather than a Sheriff's Star, or plain star!" the presumptive Republican nominee tweeted Monday.
Trump campaign adviser Ed Brookover echoed his boss, telling CNN's "New Day" on Monday morning that there was “never any intention of anti-Semitism,” adding that Trump has denounced it in the past.
“Not every six-sided star is a Star of David," Brookover said. “We have corrected this tweet and have moved on.”
A version of the Clinton-star graphic appeared earlier on a white supremacist website. According to the Associated Press, the image showed up in late June on a neo-Nazi internet message board, /pol/, that features anti-Semitic posts. The image's appearance on that site was first reported by mic.com.
Brookover declined to identify who was responsible for the tweet but said he doesn’t believe the person will be fired.
This is why you don't just copy paste images from messageboards without thinking about them for more than five seconds if you run the twitter of a presidential nominee, folks.
Fairly impressed with the capacity to be involved with media relations without knowing what the star of David means in a neonazi message board. You wouldn't think I would be impressed given that this is Trump staff, but I still am.
On July 04 2016 12:51 pmh wrote: Are people suggesting that cnn has a bias in favor of trump? That is just ridiculous lol. Cnn is as pro democrats and anti trump as all the other mainstream media,though they at least try give 2 perspectives on many occasions (but still biased) Trump even complained about it and did threaten to revoke their press lisence for his events.
Clinton supporters have become completely paranoid.
Fox News (and the rest of Murdoch medias) are soooo clearly pro democrat.
Except they really don't care about the facts and don't even try to present a balanced argument.
On July 05 2016 01:38 Nebuchad wrote: Fairly impressed with the capacity to be involved with media relations without knowing what the star of David means in a neonazi message board. You wouldn't think I would be impressed given that this is Trump staff, but I still am.
The amateurism of both Trump and his team is just amazing to witness.
On July 05 2016 01:38 Nebuchad wrote: Fairly impressed with the capacity to be involved with media relations without knowing what the star of David means in a neonazi message board. You wouldn't think I would be impressed given that this is Trump staff, but I still am.
The amateurism of both Trump and his team is just amazing to witness.
On July 05 2016 01:38 Nebuchad wrote: Fairly impressed with the capacity to be involved with media relations without knowing what the star of David means in a neonazi message board. You wouldn't think I would be impressed given that this is Trump staff, but I still am.
The amateurism of both Trump and his team is just amazing to witness.
His campaign is one slow painful car crash.
But people LOVE looking at carcrashes.
The amazing part is that they can't claim that it is an honest, first time mistake. This is like the 3rd or 4th time they have used shit creative by neonazis and then be real shocked when people figured it out.
On July 05 2016 00:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Then why remove it... and is he saying Sheriff's across the country are corrupt by that logic?
They presumably removed it to get the media to drop it and move on. But you're right, it doesn't seem to make sense that it would be about law enforcement, which is a group of people not mentioned in the image. Now then, why are we supposed to believe it would be the Star of David saying Jews are corrupt? The image is calling Clinton corrupt, so is it supposed to be calling Clinton Jewish? That makes no sense - it's just a star. It's not a shape that belongs to anyone.
It's the easiest conclusion to make if you aren't already working from the assumption that he's a Nazi and looking for swastikas everywhere. To this end, if you took a random sampling of people who had never been exposed to this "controversy" and showed them the picture individually, I bet almost none of them would notice anything. But if you have a group of people, and one of them comes up with this anti-Semitic idea, it would probably catch on like it did for the media (that's what a meme is, something that catches on).
There are network journalists writing in articles about how they zoomed in on the.edited version and could still see two of the star points coming out from under the circle, this is our media.
On July 05 2016 01:38 Nebuchad wrote: Fairly impressed with the capacity to be involved with media relations without knowing what the star of David means in a neonazi message board. You wouldn't think I would be impressed given that this is Trump staff, but I still am.
The image originated on Twitter, on June 15th, mic.com even posted the tweet, and you can see the account's watermark in the image.
Hillary Clinton’s top aide said during a deposition that the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee destroyed her schedules as the head of the State Department, according to a new report.
Huma Abedin revealed the information last week during a deposition over Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of State, The New York Post reported Monday.
“If there was a schedule that was created that was her secretary of State daily schedule, and a copy of that was then put in the burn bag, that . . . that certainly happened on . . . on more than one occasion,” Abedin reportedly said while she was being deposed by Judicial Watch, which is seeking access to Clinton’s emails.
Abedin’s comments came in response to a question from a Judicial Watch lawyer: “And during your tenure at the State Department, were you aware of your obligation not to delete federal records or destroy federal records?"
Clinton has previously said she destroyed “personal emails,” but this is the first time her aides have said she got rid of official State documents that are considered public records, according to the Post.
On July 05 2016 00:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Then why remove it... and is he saying Sheriff's across the country are corrupt by that logic?
They presumably removed it to get the media to drop it and move on. But you're right, it doesn't seem to make sense that it would be about law enforcement, which is a group of people not mentioned in the image. Now then, why are we supposed to believe it would be the Star of David saying Jews are corrupt? The image is calling Clinton corrupt, so is it supposed to be calling Clinton Jewish? That makes no sense - it's just a star. It's not a shape that belongs to anyone.
It's the easiest conclusion to make if you aren't already working from the assumption that he's a Nazi and looking for swastikas everywhere. To this end, if you took a random sampling of people who had never been exposed to this "controversy" and showed them the picture individually, I bet almost none of them would notice anything. But if you have a group of people, and one of them comes up with this anti-Semitic idea, it would probably catch on like it did for the media (that's what a meme is, something that catches on).
There are network journalists writing in articles about how they zoomed in on the.edited version and could still see two of the star points coming out from under the circle, this is our media.
On July 05 2016 01:38 Nebuchad wrote: Fairly impressed with the capacity to be involved with media relations without knowing what the star of David means in a neonazi message board. You wouldn't think I would be impressed given that this is Trump staff, but I still am.
The image originated on Twitter, on June 15th, mic.com even posted the tweet, and you can see the account's watermark in the image.
Mic.com also mentioned that the originating twitter account regularly tweets violent racist messages, so you still shouldn't just be copy-pasting shit from it if you're a competent political campaign...but I'm sure you just practiced some selective reading and missed that part.
(then again they've been doing that for quite some time; a similar account is where one of their dumber police violence tweets came from too)
On July 05 2016 00:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Then why remove it... and is he saying Sheriff's across the country are corrupt by that logic?
They presumably removed it to get the media to drop it and move on. But you're right, it doesn't seem to make sense that it would be about law enforcement, which is a group of people not mentioned in the image. Now then, why are we supposed to believe it would be the Star of David saying Jews are corrupt? The image is calling Clinton corrupt, so is it supposed to be calling Clinton Jewish? That makes no sense - it's just a star. It's not a shape that belongs to anyone.
It's the easiest conclusion to make if you aren't already working from the assumption that he's a Nazi and looking for swastikas everywhere. To this end, if you took a random sampling of people who had never been exposed to this "controversy" and showed them the picture individually, I bet almost none of them would notice anything. But if you have a group of people, and one of them comes up with this anti-Semitic idea, it would probably catch on like it did for the media (that's what a meme is, something that catches on).
There are network journalists writing in articles about how they zoomed in on the.edited version and could still see two of the star points coming out from under the circle, this is our media.
On July 05 2016 01:38 Nebuchad wrote: Fairly impressed with the capacity to be involved with media relations without knowing what the star of David means in a neonazi message board. You wouldn't think I would be impressed given that this is Trump staff, but I still am.
The image originated on Twitter, on June 15th, mic.com even posted the tweet, and you can see the account's watermark in the image.
If the image actually originated from a neo-Nazi message board, then the bolded part's fairly easy to explain. Those groups are still really big into the idea that the Jews rule the world, run the media, etc. So corrupt Clinton + Jews and we're basically jumping down the Illuminati black hole of conspiracy theories. Of course as far as Trump is concerned, it mostly just speaks of his campaign's bad judgement in what they decide to republish as part of their own campaign without considering origins. But I don't think Trump recognized it for what it was.
In a flurry of activity on Monday, Donald Trump named three Republican politicians seemingly in contention to be named as his vice-presidential pick at the party’s national convention in Cleveland later this month.
Those named were the first-term Iowa senator Joni Ernst, the first-term Arkansas senator Tom Cotton – like Ernst a military veteran – and the governor of Indiana, Mike Pence. Trump spent time with Pence and his family on Sunday and was due to meet Ernst in New Jersey on Monday.
Ernst was endorsed by the Tea Party and won her Senate seat in 2014, running an infamous ad featuring a boast of growing up “castrating hogs on an Iowa farm” and the promise that once in Washington she would “know how to cut pork”, thus making “big spenders … squeal”. In 2015, she delivered the Republican response to Barack Obama’s State of the Union address.
Cotton, 39 and thought by some a likely post-Trump presidential candidate in 2020, has not been as often named among potential Trump VPs as Pence and Ernst. In his tweet, Trump said Cotton had been “great on Meet the Press yesterday. Despite a totally one-sided interview by Chuck Todd, the end result was solid!”
Cotton gave little away in his NBC interview, saying Trump could “make the case for himself” as to why he should be president. He was more forthright in attacking Hillary Clinton, who he said had been “responsible for many of the worst decisions of the Obama administration”.
Trump’s note of complaint about Todd’s questioning echoed another tweet sent on Monday, in which he blamed the “dishonest media” for a furor over a tweet he sent and then deleted on Saturday, which showed Clinton next to a six-pointed star against a background of dollar bills, prompting accusations of antisemitism. The image was later found by reporters on a white supremacist message board, in a post predating Trump’s tweet.
Hillary Clinton’s top aide said during a deposition that the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee destroyed her schedules as the head of the State Department, according to a new report.
Huma Abedin revealed the information last week during a deposition over Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of State, The New York Post reported Monday.
“If there was a schedule that was created that was her secretary of State daily schedule, and a copy of that was then put in the burn bag, that . . . that certainly happened on . . . on more than one occasion,” Abedin reportedly said while she was being deposed by Judicial Watch, which is seeking access to Clinton’s emails.
Abedin’s comments came in response to a question from a Judicial Watch lawyer: “And during your tenure at the State Department, were you aware of your obligation not to delete federal records or destroy federal records?"
Clinton has previously said she destroyed “personal emails,” but this is the first time her aides have said she got rid of official State documents that are considered public records, according to the Post.
More than 18 million Americans are served drinking water by providers that have violated federal laws concerning lead in water, with only a tiny proportion of offenses resulting in any penalty, a new report has found.
The toxic water crisis in Flint, Michigan, is “not anomalous”, the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) report states, with widespread violations of national rules designed to protect people from lead, a known neurotoxin that is harmful even in small doses.
NRDC’s analysis of US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) data shows that 5,363 water systems, which provide water to more than 18 million people, breached the federal Lead and Copper Rule last year. These violations include the failure to properly test water for lead or inadequate treatment of water to prevent lead from leeching from old pipes into the drinking supply.
The violations occurred across virtually every US state last year. Most seriously, 1,110 community water utilities provided water that exceeded the EPA’s actionable limit for lead in water. This means that more than 3.9 million Americans were exposed to dangerously high levels of lead in 2015.
Despite the widespread failure of water suppliers across the US, very few were punished by the EPA last year. Of more than 8,000 violations of federal laws, enforcement action was only taken against 11% of cases. Penalties were sought for just 3% of violations, meaning there is “no cop on the beat”, according to the NRDC.
Hillary Clinton’s top aide said during a deposition that the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee destroyed her schedules as the head of the State Department, according to a new report.
Huma Abedin revealed the information last week during a deposition over Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of State, The New York Post reported Monday.
“If there was a schedule that was created that was her secretary of State daily schedule, and a copy of that was then put in the burn bag, that . . . that certainly happened on . . . on more than one occasion,” Abedin reportedly said while she was being deposed by Judicial Watch, which is seeking access to Clinton’s emails.
Abedin’s comments came in response to a question from a Judicial Watch lawyer: “And during your tenure at the State Department, were you aware of your obligation not to delete federal records or destroy federal records?"
Clinton has previously said she destroyed “personal emails,” but this is the first time her aides have said she got rid of official State documents that are considered public records, according to the Post.
What does it mean by a copy of ? So the original schedule wasnt deleted or what ?
Pretty sure there are originals, (if there wasn't she'd should already be indicted), but I think one of the issues is that she's already been deceitful about her meetings and the truth was only uncovered after a FOIA lawsuit.
WASHINGTON (AP) — An Associated Press review of the official calendar Hillary Clinton kept as secretary of state identified at least 75 meetings with longtime political donors, Clinton Foundation contributors and corporate and other outside interests that were not recorded or omitted the names of those she met.
The AP first sought Clinton's calendar and schedules from the State Department in August 2013, but the agency would not acknowledge even that it had the material. After nearly two years of delay, the AP sued the State Department in March 2015. The department agreed in a court filing last August to turn over Clinton's calendar, and provided the documents in November. After noticing discrepancies between Clinton's calendar and some schedules, the AP pressed in court for all of Clinton's planning material. The U.S. has released about one-third of those planners to the AP, so far.
The right labels Hillary as corrupt, the left labels Donald as incompetent. which is worse ? To be incompetent or corrupt?
Also I think it's funny how little support Donald has from his own party, he is completely isolated and alone in this election. Hillary has the support of her entire party minus Bernie supporters and Obama is going to start campaigning for her, which is such a huge advantage. If trump still wins in these circumstances I think he single handedly accomplished something crazy
as to which is worse; that varies somewhat based on the position and what you want someone in the position to do. Sometimes corrupt but competent is preferable; sometimes you'd rather someone incompetent and honest. I don't have a strong sense of when each mihgt be preferable. Of course both of them have a lot of labels in addition to those two, so there's lots of other relevant criteria. It's not surprising Donald has low support from his party, as he's from a different wing than the bulk of the establishment.
EPT
