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On July 03 2016 04:41 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Trump's campaign is far too poorly run to understand the implications of a six pointed star on a backdrop of a pile of money, it's just a stupid fuckup that would have been easily avoided if they weren't incompetent (hence the decision to retract and repost).
Even if you argue it's "just fine" to use a star of David, there's absolutely no fucking reason to do it in this scenario if you think about it for more than a split second (and no, this was not "being non-PC" it was just stupid).
It's also intentional because he doesn't need to dogwhistle for people that are conspiracy theorists/anti-Semites, they are deep in his camp anyway.
This is the same group of people that called and sent emails to leaders of other nations asking for donations, in direct violation of the law. They are dumb enough to put something that looks like the start of david behind a pile of money and not understand the symbolism.
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Oy, looks like Trump has some more campaign staffers to fire; and he has so few already. They really need to hire some better people.
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On July 03 2016 05:04 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:24 Evotroid wrote:On July 03 2016 03:48 Danglars wrote:On July 03 2016 02:47 oBlade wrote:Normal people, no matter who they support, look at that pic and take away that it's anti... Hillary. It's a star because it's mocking that she won the corruption contest. This is the grasping-at-straws media we have. + Show Spoiler + Talk about a hyper-politicized environment. It's her corruption on a star like she won an award. Like holy cow we're reposting this nonsense in this forum? It's like we're making Trump look classy and sophisticated by comparison. googled award clipartI wonder why no one seems to use that particular star for awards? Do you know who uses that star in lame image posts about corruption? people who post "this is what the world would look like if it was controlled by tesla instead of rotschilds" on their facebook wall. (I am serious, I just saw one with that label in hungarian on my feed). I mean, if it was a single off thing, sure, it is over politicized. But this is the man who suggested muslims should wear a mark... But what I initially wanted to write in: I saw a video of Hillary lying for 13 minutes, and it's all well and good, I am not in any place to dispute it. I just wish to see a video of trump telling the truth for 13 minutes straight :D (and cutting together 40 scenes where he says his name does not count) Take off the tin foil hat. You're leaping from one circumstantial point to another to try to draw out a point with so many strings stretching across miles of gaps. You might as well allege Trump is secretly a Jew and communicating to his sinister Jewish conspiracy to turn his people against Clinton. I hear that the Bildebergs use "Evotroid" as a code word for .. ... Stow the global conspiracy crap. You can take it up when Trump makes Jewish allusions a key part of his campaign. Or when Clinton exchanges Methodism for Judaism. Trump should've left it up.
What are you talking about? I am seriously interested, what kind of conspiracy did my post imply to you? What are those numerous strings?
To summarise what I think my post conveys:
Main messege: Trump/his campaign is/are asshole/s, and they should not be defended by telling people they are hyper politicizing his gaffes, when they call out him on them.
First I show that it is a stupid gaffe, to use the david-star with a message about corruption, and not something normal with awards and stuff. (and god forbid we should hold presidential nominees to higher standard either way)
Then, I bring up, that this is not the first instance of this.
Finally, I mention, that the people I know of, who repeatedly get into thoughts like these are the "rednecks" (kind of, that is why I used example post, not sure of the correct term here, I suspect redneck is not really appropriate here)
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Don't exactly need to be a conspiracy theorist to assume that a David star on a pile of money isn't exactly smart imagery, especially given the fact that Trump's campaign is already full of "the globalist Jewish cabal is ruining the life of the glorious worker" types
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On July 03 2016 06:43 Nyxisto wrote:
Don't exactly need to be a conspiracy theorist to assume that a David star on a pile of money isn't exactly smart imagery, especially given the fact that Trump's campaign is already full of "the globalist Jewish cabal is ruining the life of the glorious worker" types Oh are they full of them now? Hahaha. Pathetic claim, you're better off returning to "they're all racists," it has more pull. I refuse to believe someone that looks at it before being told what to look for comes up with something other than--Hillary's most corrupt ever says Trump.
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Honestly just look up how often something like "yeah suck it Soros" comes up on social media related to Trump. The "evil jewish shadowy investor" is still such a hilariously common trope in the populist movements, both on the left and right for that matter.
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you would think people in the business would simply never use stars. Pentagram and david star misconceptions or comments are bound to happen because of idiots.
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On July 03 2016 06:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 06:43 Nyxisto wrote:
Don't exactly need to be a conspiracy theorist to assume that a David star on a pile of money isn't exactly smart imagery, especially given the fact that Trump's campaign is already full of "the globalist Jewish cabal is ruining the life of the glorious worker" types Oh are they full of them now? Hahaha. Pathetic claim, you're better off returning to "they're all racists," it has more pull. I refuse to believe someone that looks at it before being told what to look for comes up with something other than--Hillary's most corrupt ever says Trump.
Not full. But the Trump campaign is filled with incompetent idiots who keep pull gaffs like one. And his campaign has attracted a noticeable number of shitty people, including the dreaded and fabled racists and antisemitic us citizens. That is the nature of his run for president. If Trump and his camp are courting those supporters that hold racist and antisemitic voters is a matter of opinion. But they are there and noticeable in a way I have no seen in 5 elections I can remember.
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On July 03 2016 06:59 Nyxisto wrote:
Honestly just look up how often something like "yeah suck it Soros" comes up on social media related to Trump. The "evil jewish shadowy investor" is still such a hilariously common trope in the populist movements, both on the left and right for that matter. Soros is more often attacked for being a big-time left-wing donor. It's like saying the Koch Brothers are evil American Christians instead of the volume of their political donations. You'll have to find better examples of the Trump campaign is rife with anti-semitism.
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On July 03 2016 07:12 Mohdoo wrote:
you would think people in the business would simply never use stars. Pentagram and david star misconceptions or comments are bound to happen because of idiots.
I agree. I think it's obvious that the "anti-semitic" part (it's not anti-semitic) wasn't intended, but they should have just used a circle from the start.
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On July 03 2016 07:17 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 06:59 Nyxisto wrote:
Honestly just look up how often something like "yeah suck it Soros" comes up on social media related to Trump. The "evil jewish shadowy investor" is still such a hilariously common trope in the populist movements, both on the left and right for that matter. Soros is more often attacked for being a big-time left-wing donor. It's like saying the Koch Brothers are evil American Christians instead of the volume of their political donations. You'll have to find better examples of the Trump campaign is rife with anti-semitism.
It's not like this behavior hasn't been documented before , but you're seriously going to tell me the alt-right isn't loving Trump? He's running his whole damn campaign on weird internet memes.
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On July 03 2016 03:00 JW_DTLA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 02:47 oBlade wrote:Normal people, no matter who they support, look at that pic and take away that it's anti... Hillary. It's a star because it's mocking that she won the corruption contest. This is the grasping-at-straws media we have. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9PRCIdJ_v4 Grasping at straws you say! Okay, why did he pull it back? If it was just a star, couldn't big bad trump have stood by his campaign's words? The real grasping is the pathetic spinning by Trumpkins trying to pretend a big red star of David on a pile of money isn't just like a certain big blue star of David. EDIT: it is red ![[image loading]](http://takao-sato.up.n.seesaa.net/takao-sato/image/E382A4E382B9E383A9E382A8E383ABE381AEE59BBDE69797-thumbnail2.jpg?d=a1)
You're seriously going to argue he hates jews now too?
You trumphaters get crazier by the day.
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But Nyxisto you are not supposed to look at the memes, dog whistling and insinuations, trump after all is a respectable center candidate with the business accumen to make america great again (or default trying).
On my earlier post, i just saw that the atlantic ran a story http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/populism-american-right/489800/
+ Show Spoiler +Slaughter, meanwhile, warns that fundamental changes in the structure of the global economy are a whole other order of barrier to moral consensus: “I’m all for pushing opportunity to those who need it most,” she says. “But we’re looking at an economy where we have no idea what those jobs are. What we know is that there’s a bifurcation of great jobs with huge rewards and really bad jobs that do not even support a family.”
I am not sure but are there even suggestions to address this issue?
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On July 03 2016 07:50 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 07:17 Danglars wrote:On July 03 2016 06:59 Nyxisto wrote:
Honestly just look up how often something like "yeah suck it Soros" comes up on social media related to Trump. The "evil jewish shadowy investor" is still such a hilariously common trope in the populist movements, both on the left and right for that matter. Soros is more often attacked for being a big-time left-wing donor. It's like saying the Koch Brothers are evil American Christians instead of the volume of their political donations. You'll have to find better examples of the Trump campaign is rife with anti-semitism. It's not like this behavior hasn't been documented before , but you're seriously going to tell me the alt-right isn't loving Trump? He's running his whole damn campaign on weird internet memes. I responded when you accused the Trump campaign to be full of these anti-semites. You've offered nothing more than your assertion so I'm forced to conclude you're just mouthing off.
If you want to change subjects to what marginal groups support Trump and Clinton, you'll have to make things interesting enough to comment on it. I don't want to just rehash what was already said about white supremacists. The alt-right has a few interesting aspects unrelated to your perspective, such as its views on trade, opposition to conservatism, and very widespread internal disagreements.
On July 03 2016 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 03:00 JW_DTLA wrote:On July 03 2016 02:47 oBlade wrote:Normal people, no matter who they support, look at that pic and take away that it's anti... Hillary. It's a star because it's mocking that she won the corruption contest. This is the grasping-at-straws media we have. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9PRCIdJ_v4 Grasping at straws you say! Okay, why did he pull it back? If it was just a star, couldn't big bad trump have stood by his campaign's words? The real grasping is the pathetic spinning by Trumpkins trying to pretend a big red star of David on a pile of money isn't just like a certain big blue star of David. EDIT: it is red You're seriously going to argue he hates jews now too? You trumphaters get crazier by the day. That's one positive development of the Trump candidacy. The media's perspective is becoming even more exposed.
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i think i got it! the argument here seems to be that trump is stupid OR racist. the correct answer is he's probably both.
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That seems rather unhelpful ticklish; and the question is mostly why did the Trump campaign screwup so horribly with that tweet; most likely incompetence, not surprrising given the small size of his staff, and probably low quality as well.
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On July 03 2016 08:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
i think i got it! the argument here seems to be that trump is stupid OR racist. the correct answer is he's probably both.
This is accurate. He is either running the most accidentally racist campaign I have ever seen, or he is racist and give no fucks. Incompetence and/or racism.
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I can't really see any positive angle here.
The way I see it, is that there's two outcomes here - either the dog-whistling anti-semitism was intended, or Trumps staffers are incompetent. If it was intended, then that's another line underlining the narrative of a racist Trump flirting with fringe elements. If it wasn't intended, then Trump is incapable of hiring competent people to do a job for him.
If the first is right, your candidate has, at best, a very questionable methods and or ethics. If the second is right, then any argument of him "hiring the right people" once he's in power seems very much less likely.
Of these two alternatives, incompetence seems the best outcome. However, neither alternative is something I'd want in a person in any sort of position of power.
More than anything, I feel it's a PR failure. Then again, Trump seems to feed on negative publicity, so who knows.
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On July 03 2016 08:46 zlefin wrote:
That seems rather unhelpful ticklish; and the question is mostly why did the Trump campaign screwup so horribly with that tweet; most likely incompetence, not surprrising given the small size of his staff, and probably low quality as well.
i'm going to call a spade a spade. i'm not going to let the trumpologists turn this back by calling SJW and saying that we're overreacting. once now and then, okay i'll give it a pass but trump has a consistent record of shit like this.
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Its a PR snafu that will get blown out of proportion beacuse its a campaign. Its a guy picking one shape over another shape.
Or its just another easily shielded publicity stunt. Either way it just makes people stupid talking about it.
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