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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 15:06:38
July 01 2016 15:03 GMT
#82961
in what universe was lorretta lynch ever going to tell the fbi to go screw themselves?
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
July 01 2016 15:22 GMT
#82962
Prosecutorial discretion does not amount to telling an investigating agency to fuck itself
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 01 2016 15:49 GMT
#82963
If there was going to be some topic secret deal making going on, why the hell would Bill talk to her in public at an airport at random. Or anywhere. Like I get the whole thing about being biased, but I go to the same grocery store as one of the attorneys my firm deals with all the time. I’ve meet defendants in cases out in the wild and been polite to them.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23294 Posts
July 01 2016 16:13 GMT
#82964
On July 01 2016 23:58 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch plans to announce on Friday that she will accept whatever recommendation career prosecutors and the F.B.I. director make about whether to bring charges related to Hillary Clinton’s personal email server, a Justice Department official said. Her decision removes the possibility that a political appointee will overrule investigators in the case.

The Justice Department had been moving toward such an arrangement for months — officials said in April that it was being considered — but a private meeting between Ms. Lynch and former President Bill Clinton this week set off a political furor and made the decision all but inevitable.

Republicans said the meeting, which took place at the Phoenix airport, had compromised the independence of the investigation as the F.B.I. was winding it down. Some called for Ms. Lynch to recuse herself, but she did not take herself off the case — one that could influence a presidential election.

Ms. Lynch has said she wants to handle the Clinton investigation like any other case. Since the attorney general often follows the recommendations of career prosecutors, Ms. Lynch is keeping the regular process largely intact.

She plans to discuss the matter at a conference in Aspen, Colo., on Friday. The Justice Department declined to comment. The official who confirmed the discussion did so on the condition of anonymity because the internal decision-making process is normally kept confidential.

The F.B.I. is investigating whether Mrs. Clinton, her aides or anyone else broke the law by setting up a private email server for her to use as secretary of state. Internal investigators have concluded that the server was used to send classified information, and Republicans have seized on the matter to question Mrs. Clinton’s judgment.

For the Justice Department, the central question is whether the conduct met the legal standard for the crime of mishandling classified information.

Ms. Lynch said that the meeting with Mr. Clinton was unplanned, largely social and did not touch on the email investigation. She suggested that he walked uninvited from his plane to her government plane, both of which were parked on a tarmac at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport.

Source


So far they are doing a reasonable job of diverting attention away from her lying about the whole ordeal and kept people focused on whether it was criminal. People have been discharged from the military for less, but it does seem that she will avoid criminal prosecution.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 01 2016 16:39 GMT
#82965
Almost at the last minute, a federal judge has declared a controversial Mississippi law unconstitutional.

The law, HB 1523, would have protected religious objections to gay marriage, extramarital sex and transgender identities. The judge says it favors some religious beliefs over others and would codify unequal treatment of LGBT people.

The state's governor has said he looks forward to an appeal, but Mississippi's attorney general has expressed hesitation over appealing the case.

As the Two-Way has previously reported, the "Protecting Freedom of Conscience from Government Discrimination Act" was described by its proponents as a religious freedom bill. But it didn't protect all religious beliefs. Here's Section 2 of the bill:

The sincerely held religious beliefs or moral convictions protected by this act are the belief or conviction that:

(a) Marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman;
(b) Sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage; and
(c) Male (man) or female (woman) refer to an individual's immutable biological sex as objectively determined by anatomy and genetics at time of birth.


Under the law, Mississippi residents who used one of those moral convictions to justify behavior — including individuals declining to offer business or medical services, religious organizations firing or disciplining employees, and state employees refusing to license marriages — could not be punished by the state.(Many of these forms of discrimination against gay and trans people are currently legal in Mississippi, and in many other states. For instances, business owners can already refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple in Mississippi without breaking the law.)

U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves ruled on Monday on one portion of the law, and declared that state employees could not deny marriage licenses based on religious objects.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 01 2016 22:27 GMT
#82966
Many voters too young to remember the Clinton years get their first taste with Bill meeting Loretta Lynch. Or, shall we say, happening to be on the tarmac at the same time (because people meet and chat on tarmacs) and having a pleasant chat about grandkids. Saying she won't critically examine any recommendations the FBI hands her is saying she can't do her job. Another should be appointed to pass findings on the coverup.

We don't need another investigation like the IRS scandal, but we'll probably get it.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 22:39:42
July 01 2016 22:39 GMT
#82967
Ah yes, the IRS scandal, I hate how foolishly that investigation was handled on that one.
The loretta lynch meeting was foolish; though from what I hear, not that unusual for Bill.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4338 Posts
July 02 2016 04:12 GMT
#82968
Let's ignore the polling averages and the 538 election forecast

Didn't 538 predict a Clinton win in Michigan against Sanders?
Didn't the polls suggest a heavy Clinton win against Sanders in Michigan?
Trumps supporters far more likely to vote than Clintons supporters judging by the primary results and turnouts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4825 Posts
July 02 2016 04:14 GMT
#82969
Keep your head in the sand.

He cited polls that were correct, by and large, throughout the primary. Now they don't count?
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
July 02 2016 06:18 GMT
#82970
On July 02 2016 13:14 Introvert wrote:
Keep your head in the sand.

He cited polls that were correct, by and large, throughout the primary. Now they don't count?


If you make one mistake you are never allowed to be right again.

Unless you are Trump. Then you dont make mistakes.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-02 12:17:58
July 02 2016 12:13 GMT
#82971
On July 02 2016 13:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
Let's ignore the polling averages and the 538 election forecast

Didn't 538 predict a Clinton win in Michigan against Sanders?
Didn't the polls suggest a heavy Clinton win against Sanders in Michigan?
Trumps supporters far more likely to vote than Clintons supporters judging by the primary results and turnouts.


538's poll-only model predicted 53 of 58 primaries correctly (which is I think *slightly* better than polling averages alone did. Nor is there any evidence whatsoever for Trump beating his polls on average-he beat them about as often as he did worse than them. And there's no historical precedent for primary turnout correlating with general election turnout, so I have no idea why you think Trump's supporters are far more likely to vote in a general than Clinton supporters based on primary turnouts.

Even if there were, the high turnout in Republican contests was not entirely motivated by pro-Trump forces (for example, in all the states he lost to Cruz).

Plus, had they run the 538 models from the start with access to all prospectively polling data, Silver and Co. would have predicted a Trump victory or contested convention with a big Trump advantage from day 1 I think. Their central mistake was relying too much on conventional wisdom, the data did fine.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4338 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-02 13:10:28
July 02 2016 13:07 GMT
#82972
On July 01 2016 12:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Sounds very much an underreported figure.
Anyway i don't know if anybody was aware but the U.S. bombing of the Medicines-sans-frontiers hospital in Afghanistan late last year came shortly after that organisation came out against the trans-pacific-partnership (a very strange coincidence).You can read this section on their website where they lay out their opposition to the pact : http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/help-us-fix-tpp

Many countries and treatment providers, including Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), rely on affordable quality generic medicines to treat life-threatening diseases. We need to keep prices low so our patients—and millions of others still waiting for treatment in the developing world—can get the medicines they need.

But right now the U.S. government is advocating for a trade deal with eleven other Pacific Rim nations that includes terms that will restrict access to generic medicines, making life-saving treatments unaffordable to millions.

Damaging intellectual property rules in the U.S.-led Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) would give pharmaceutical companies longer monopolies over brand name drugs. Companies would be able to charge high prices for longer periods of time. And it would be much harder for generic companies to produce cheaper drugs that are vital to people’s health.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21787 Posts
July 02 2016 13:22 GMT
#82973
On July 02 2016 22:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 12:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/StealthBlue/status/748704003043844102

Sounds very much an underreported figure.
Anyway i don't know if anybody was aware but the U.S. bombing of the Medicines-sans-frontiers hospital in Afghanistan late last year came shortly after that organisation came out against the trans-pacific-partnership (a very strange coincidence).You can read this section on their website where they lay out their opposition to the pact : http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/help-us-fix-tpp
Show nested quote +

Many countries and treatment providers, including Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), rely on affordable quality generic medicines to treat life-threatening diseases. We need to keep prices low so our patients—and millions of others still waiting for treatment in the developing world—can get the medicines they need.

But right now the U.S. government is advocating for a trade deal with eleven other Pacific Rim nations that includes terms that will restrict access to generic medicines, making life-saving treatments unaffordable to millions.

Damaging intellectual property rules in the U.S.-led Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) would give pharmaceutical companies longer monopolies over brand name drugs. Companies would be able to charge high prices for longer periods of time. And it would be much harder for generic companies to produce cheaper drugs that are vital to people’s health.

yes the US bombed a hospital because they did not agree with a trade treaty...
Come on, what kind of tin foil hat shit is that
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 02 2016 14:41 GMT
#82974
California has adopted expanded background checks and a ban on high-capacity magazines as part of a sweeping package of gun control laws that advocates hope will pave the way for stronger firearm restrictions across the country.

Governor Jerry Brown signed into law six measures on Friday that include a wide range of new limits on the purchase and possession of rifles in the Golden State at a time when federal lawmakers have remained in a deadlock over any potential gun reforms.

The successful passage of the bills, signed two weeks after the deadliest US shooting in modern history in Orlando, Florida, offers a sharp contrast to the theatrical and unproductive fights in Washington DC over proposed gun control measures that some progressive activists don’t even support.

“California has taken a giant step forward in sensible gun safety regulations,” said state senator Loni Hancock, who sponsored one of the new bills, which bans the possession of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. “Taken together, they really will make our neighborhoods safer.”

Brown, a Democrat, also vetoed five gun control proposals on Friday, which pundits expected given his mixed record on firearms. Recently, however, the governor has been outspoken in criticizing neighboring states’ loose laws that he said create a “gigantic back door through which any terrorist can walk”.

In addition to the magazine ban, Brown signed into law legislation that outlaws assault rifles with a so-called “bullet button” that allows shooters to quickly eject and reload ammunition magazines.

Another approved measure mandates background checks when a gun is loaned to someone other than a close family member.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 02 2016 14:52 GMT
#82975
On July 02 2016 23:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
California has adopted expanded background checks and a ban on high-capacity magazines as part of a sweeping package of gun control laws that advocates hope will pave the way for stronger firearm restrictions across the country.

Governor Jerry Brown signed into law six measures on Friday that include a wide range of new limits on the purchase and possession of rifles in the Golden State at a time when federal lawmakers have remained in a deadlock over any potential gun reforms.

The successful passage of the bills, signed two weeks after the deadliest US shooting in modern history in Orlando, Florida, offers a sharp contrast to the theatrical and unproductive fights in Washington DC over proposed gun control measures that some progressive activists don’t even support.

“California has taken a giant step forward in sensible gun safety regulations,” said state senator Loni Hancock, who sponsored one of the new bills, which bans the possession of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. “Taken together, they really will make our neighborhoods safer.”

Brown, a Democrat, also vetoed five gun control proposals on Friday, which pundits expected given his mixed record on firearms. Recently, however, the governor has been outspoken in criticizing neighboring states’ loose laws that he said create a “gigantic back door through which any terrorist can walk”.

In addition to the magazine ban, Brown signed into law legislation that outlaws assault rifles with a so-called “bullet button” that allows shooters to quickly eject and reload ammunition magazines.

Another approved measure mandates background checks when a gun is loaned to someone other than a close family member.


Source


Can't help but think that these kind of state level laws are kinda useless when people have easy access to states with looser laws.
Never Knows Best.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
July 02 2016 14:53 GMT
#82976
On July 02 2016 23:52 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2016 23:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
California has adopted expanded background checks and a ban on high-capacity magazines as part of a sweeping package of gun control laws that advocates hope will pave the way for stronger firearm restrictions across the country.

Governor Jerry Brown signed into law six measures on Friday that include a wide range of new limits on the purchase and possession of rifles in the Golden State at a time when federal lawmakers have remained in a deadlock over any potential gun reforms.

The successful passage of the bills, signed two weeks after the deadliest US shooting in modern history in Orlando, Florida, offers a sharp contrast to the theatrical and unproductive fights in Washington DC over proposed gun control measures that some progressive activists don’t even support.

“California has taken a giant step forward in sensible gun safety regulations,” said state senator Loni Hancock, who sponsored one of the new bills, which bans the possession of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. “Taken together, they really will make our neighborhoods safer.”

Brown, a Democrat, also vetoed five gun control proposals on Friday, which pundits expected given his mixed record on firearms. Recently, however, the governor has been outspoken in criticizing neighboring states’ loose laws that he said create a “gigantic back door through which any terrorist can walk”.

In addition to the magazine ban, Brown signed into law legislation that outlaws assault rifles with a so-called “bullet button” that allows shooters to quickly eject and reload ammunition magazines.

Another approved measure mandates background checks when a gun is loaned to someone other than a close family member.


Source


Can't help but think that these kind of state level laws are kinda useless when people have easy access to states with looser laws.

This is precisely why Chicago finds itself in such a bind.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 02 2016 14:54 GMT
#82977
On July 02 2016 23:53 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2016 23:52 Slaughter wrote:
On July 02 2016 23:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
California has adopted expanded background checks and a ban on high-capacity magazines as part of a sweeping package of gun control laws that advocates hope will pave the way for stronger firearm restrictions across the country.

Governor Jerry Brown signed into law six measures on Friday that include a wide range of new limits on the purchase and possession of rifles in the Golden State at a time when federal lawmakers have remained in a deadlock over any potential gun reforms.

The successful passage of the bills, signed two weeks after the deadliest US shooting in modern history in Orlando, Florida, offers a sharp contrast to the theatrical and unproductive fights in Washington DC over proposed gun control measures that some progressive activists don’t even support.

“California has taken a giant step forward in sensible gun safety regulations,” said state senator Loni Hancock, who sponsored one of the new bills, which bans the possession of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. “Taken together, they really will make our neighborhoods safer.”

Brown, a Democrat, also vetoed five gun control proposals on Friday, which pundits expected given his mixed record on firearms. Recently, however, the governor has been outspoken in criticizing neighboring states’ loose laws that he said create a “gigantic back door through which any terrorist can walk”.

In addition to the magazine ban, Brown signed into law legislation that outlaws assault rifles with a so-called “bullet button” that allows shooters to quickly eject and reload ammunition magazines.

Another approved measure mandates background checks when a gun is loaned to someone other than a close family member.


Source


Can't help but think that these kind of state level laws are kinda useless when people have easy access to states with looser laws.

This is precisely why Chicago finds itself in such a bind.


Not directly related, but also why allowing health insurance across multiple states doesn't work - it's the lowest bar conundrum.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 02 2016 15:31 GMT
#82978
Even in San Francisco, Paul Ryan can’t escape the shadow of Donald Trump.

In between fundraisers during a West Coast swing this week — including an event with Apple’s Tim Cook — the House speaker made a lunch stop on the city's waterfront, where he tried to sell a crowd of tech executives including Palantir co-founder Joe Lonsdale and Yelp CEO Jeremy Stoppelman on his work with the Republican Congress. To one person there, though, it went without saying: Ryan was trying to draw a “juxtaposition with Trump.”

But the reality is that Republicans' fundraising has already taken a hit after months of Trump's rhetorical shots — from skewering tech's biggest players to making incendiary comments about women, minorities and immigrants. By the end of May, the National Republican Congressional Committee had pulled in only $79,000 from Silicon Valley-based tech donors, down more than 60 percent from the $211,000 the committee had raised from those donors by the same point in 2012, according to an analysis by Crowdpac, a nonpartisan website that tracks campaign finance.

The National Republican Senatorial Committee has fared about the same, collecting $85,000 in tech donations from the region by May 31, the data show. That’s down nearly 70 percent from the $266,000 the committee raised by this point in 2012 from that group.

The fundraising numbers paint a grim picture for a GOP that's long been eager to make headway with tech executives, particularly those who support limited government and lower corporate taxes. For years, Democrats have trounced the GOP in Silicon Valley, capitalizing on the region's largely socially progressive disposition, and Trump's rhetoric has accelerated that trend.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15713 Posts
July 02 2016 15:47 GMT
#82979
On July 02 2016 22:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 12:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/StealthBlue/status/748704003043844102

Sounds very much an underreported figure.


Can you elaborate on what makes you think this is under reported? Which figures are you basing that on?
gsgfdf
Profile Joined March 2015
Greece2 Posts
July 02 2016 15:49 GMT
#82980
On July 02 2016 22:22 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2016 22:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 01 2016 12:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/StealthBlue/status/748704003043844102

Sounds very much an underreported figure.
Anyway i don't know if anybody was aware but the U.S. bombing of the Medicines-sans-frontiers hospital in Afghanistan late last year came shortly after that organisation came out against the trans-pacific-partnership (a very strange coincidence).You can read this section on their website where they lay out their opposition to the pact : http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/help-us-fix-tpp

Many countries and treatment providers, including Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), rely on affordable quality generic medicines to treat life-threatening diseases. We need to keep prices low so our patients—and millions of others still waiting for treatment in the developing world—can get the medicines they need.

But right now the U.S. government is advocating for a trade deal with eleven other Pacific Rim nations that includes terms that will restrict access to generic medicines, making life-saving treatments unaffordable to millions.

Damaging intellectual property rules in the U.S.-led Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) would give pharmaceutical companies longer monopolies over brand name drugs. Companies would be able to charge high prices for longer periods of time. And it would be much harder for generic companies to produce cheaper drugs that are vital to people’s health.

yes the US bombed a hospital because they did not agree with a trade treaty...
Come on, what kind of tin foil hat shit is that

The usual kind?
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