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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 22:44:31
June 15 2016 22:31 GMT
#81201
its a high level file

theres probably a lot of detail and supporting documents floating around with the sordid details

plus its from december, so that folio has probably gotten a lot bigger

actually, im kinda impressed that the DNC had this in december. i mean, did we even know that trump was gonna be the nominee at that point?
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SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
June 15 2016 22:36 GMT
#81202
On June 16 2016 07:30 xDaunt wrote:
I haven't gone through the opposition research file in detail yet, but skimming through the contents, I wasn't particularly impressed with what they had.


I skimmed through some of it. I wasn't that impressed either.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7180 Posts
June 15 2016 22:36 GMT
#81203
I must say reading this shit doesn't exactly make my opinion about trump any better
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 15 2016 22:37 GMT
#81204
On June 16 2016 06:46 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2016 06:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So this just happened:


I don't get it. Could you provide more context?


Happens at about 2:00:00. He basically says Saudi Arabia donates millions to the Clinton foundation, and then asks women first what saudi arabia thinks about them. Then he goes on to ask gays the same question, but I think he just lost his train of thought and jumbled his words completely.
Question.?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 22:42:05
June 15 2016 22:37 GMT
#81205
On June 16 2016 07:12 SoSexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2016 06:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I think the main reason StealthBlue posted that is because people generally aren't fans of being referred to as "the _____" whether it's "the gays" "the Jews" "the blacks" "the whites" "the diabetics" etc. Even "the Republicans" or "The Democrats" is kind of a mechanism for other-ing and dehumanization if you look at it a certain way.

(and from my experience in the field of health it is generally more productive to refer to a group as "gay people" or "people with diabetes" or "Republican-leaning voters" if you wish to engage with that group-even ignoring whether it's somehow more or less "politically correct", nobody wants to be reduced to "a hypertensive" while you are soliciting their feedback)

But that's not anything particularly new from how Trump refers to people, it's pretty much just how he talks.


Really? At this point we'll arrive at 2.0 meters people getting mad if referred to as 'tall'... how is pointing out one's party dehumanizing?


Pointing out somehow's party isn't dehumanizing. Reducing them to nothing but a member of their party kind of is. It'd be pretty fucking weird if someone called everyone 2.0 meters high "the talls" and I would feel awkward if people solicited my input as one of "the talls."

I don't think it's inherently wrong or bad or anything. Just provokes a response and can give some insight into someone's frame of mind (generally that they are not one of the "the" which is quite true in this case).

Edit: I mean, compare "the blacks have problems" to "black people have problems," I think there's a very different connotation to those sentences (and the former would obviously never be said by a black person). Obviously political party is an edge case that's nowhere near as loaded.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10910 Posts
June 15 2016 22:43 GMT
#81206
just to make this clear.


You guys are now seriously discussing Donald Trump as your future president.


Please, just scroll back 4-500 pages to see how absolutely retarded this is.

My mind is blowing up atm...
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 22:44:31
June 15 2016 22:43 GMT
#81207
it is not as simple as 'the democrats' or 'the talls'

cultural memory of the term, persistent and powerful experience of people defined by society by the trait, with prejudice, and some degree of patronizing pretense to understand are all mixed in it.

there is also the meta level disrespect of norms established for the sake of safety, suggesting fundamental disregard for sensitivity
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 15 2016 22:44 GMT
#81208
The hacker who posted the DNC Opposition Research file on Trump is claiming that he stole a lot more and that he has turned them over to Wikileaks to be published en masse. This could be fun.

Source.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
June 15 2016 22:49 GMT
#81209
On June 16 2016 07:37 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2016 06:46 Falling wrote:
On June 16 2016 06:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So this just happened:

https://youtu.be/j7OfQAqghl8

I don't get it. Could you provide more context?


Happens at about 2:00:00. He basically says Saudi Arabia donates millions to the Clinton foundation, and then asks women first what saudi arabia thinks about them. Then he goes on to ask gays the same question, but I think he just lost his train of thought and jumbled his words completely.



Yeah exactly. Pretty ridiculous people are attacking him for that. He didn't mean to be offensive it is just the way he speaks plainly. Like "the poorly educated".
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
June 15 2016 22:50 GMT
#81210
On June 16 2016 06:18 SolaR- wrote:
I'm more interested in what is true, and the quest for truth. Not so much on religion and it's impact on economics.

i recommend a physics book
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 15 2016 22:54 GMT
#81211
oppo research is not limited to or even mainly made by the national party. there may be more in depth stuff from superpacs and other offshoots.

looks like a guide on media communication more than anything
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 23:00:17
June 15 2016 22:54 GMT
#81212
I don't think it matters whether what they have is substantial. So long as they can keep up the bombardment on low information voters they'll crush the election regardless. It's why I think Hillary simply has it in the bag. Every late night host, every news outlet, every celebrity, all guns are on Trump with very little support. Sound bites and snippets will always be played against him. His issues and policies will not matter.

I'm definitely not implying that high information voters don't have plenty of great arguments to vote against him. I'm well aware they have a literal truckload of reasons. But among high information voters you'll have a more equal split overall. Because a lot of those voters aren't necessarily voting for Trump or his immigration policies, they are voting on what they think governments role should be.

Whereas in Canada for instance, a tonne of women voted for Trudeau because he was cute. Regardless of how good a politician he may or may not be, I think most of us can agree this is a borderline retarded way to vote for your country.

Julian Assange from Wikileaks said he'd be releasing a lot of fun info on Clinton. And he genuinely dislikes and fears the woman for obvious reasons. Discussion on Hillary and not BRexit starts at around 4:10.
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.facebook.com/wikileaks/videos/1032334066801705/
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
June 15 2016 22:56 GMT
#81213
On June 16 2016 07:50 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2016 06:18 SolaR- wrote:
I'm more interested in what is true, and the quest for truth. Not so much on religion and it's impact on economics.

i recommend a physics book


oh believe me i agree. However, I do find interest in the philosophical mind games and logically constructed arguments when dealing with reality and existence. I understand that it isn't based in anything factual, and are merely mental constructs. Still interesting, nonetheless.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 15 2016 23:03 GMT
#81214
internet atheists, internet round earth-ists, astrology denialists, what's the difference
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 23:08:23
June 15 2016 23:05 GMT
#81215
On June 16 2016 07:54 SK.Testie wrote:
I don't think it matters whether what they have is substantial. So long as they can keep up the bombardment on low information voters they'll crush the election regardless. It's why I think Hillary simply has it in the bag. Every late night host, every news outlet, every celebrity, all guns are on Trump with very little support. Sound bites and snippets will always be played against him. His issues and policies will not matter.

I'm definitely not implying that high information voters don't have plenty of great arguments to vote against him. I'm well aware they have a literal truckload of reasons. But among high information voters you'll have a more equal split overall. Because a lot of those voters aren't necessarily voting for Trump or his immigration policies, they are voting on what they think governments role should be.

Whereas in Canada for instance, a tonne of women voted for Trudeau because he was cute. Regardless of how good a politician he may or may not be, I think most of us can agree this is a borderline retarded way to vote for your country.

Julian Assange from Wikileaks said he'd be releasing a lot of fun info on Clinton. And he genuinely dislikes and fears the woman for obvious reasons. Discussion on Hillary and not BRexit starts at around 4:10.
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.facebook.com/wikileaks/videos/1032334066801705/


i fell out of my chair laughing.. High information voters will vote for Trump...

+ Show Spoiler +
that is technically correct except the information will be full of shit with youtube links backed up by sources. Thanks man, you do offer so much to talk to people and laugh about.


Way to insult women without evidence btw. People didnt just vote for him because he was cute. People also voted for him because Harper was a shitbag and his politics are not what Canadians endorse anymore.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 23:09:32
June 15 2016 23:06 GMT
#81216
when u understand the neoliberal globalist deception of the public, u will vote trump too.


btw i recommend the tom perez interview with ezra klein. sufficiently ideological and populist to be a vp
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
June 15 2016 23:09 GMT
#81217
Animal rights and environmentalists cause/can cause a lot of financial damages. When big business runs the country its not hard to see why they are seen the way they are.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 15 2016 23:11 GMT
#81218
On June 16 2016 07:30 xDaunt wrote:
I haven't gone through the opposition research file in detail yet, but skimming through the contents, I wasn't particularly impressed with what they had.

Reading the first 20-30 pages, I think Trump would easily shrug off that line of attack. I guess we'll see if the past 6 months have been productive for DNC opposition research.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
June 15 2016 23:19 GMT
#81219
On June 16 2016 08:03 oneofthem wrote:
internet atheists, internet round earth-ists, astrology denialists, what's the difference


i don't understand your point.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 23:22:12
June 15 2016 23:20 GMT
#81220
The FBI maintains a huge database of more than 411m photos culled from sources including driver’s licenses, passport applications and visa applications, which it cross-references with photos of criminal suspects using largely untested and questionably accurate facial recognition software.

A study from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) released on Wednesday for the first time revealed the extent of the program, which had been queried several years before through a Freedom of Information Act request from the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). The GAO, a watchdog office internal to the US federal government, found that the FBI did not appropriately disclose the database’s impact on public privacy until it audited the bureau in May.

The office recommended that the attorney general determine why the FBI did not obey the disclosure requirements, and that it conduct accuracy tests to determine whether the software is correctly cross-referencing driver’s licenses and passport photos with images of criminal suspects. The Department of Justice “disagreed” with three of the GAO’s six recommendations, according to the office, which affirmed their validity.

The audit came at the request of Minnesota Democratic senator Al Franken.

Images of faces are protected personal information under US law. The Privacy Act of 1974 limits the collection, disclosure and use of personal information and requires agencies to disclose what kinds they are using, generally about whom and how.

The FBI did not publish such disclosures, according to the report.

The FBI’s system searches not just its own database, but also photo databases maintained by seven participating states, the US Department of State – which issues passports – and the US Department of Defense, shared among federal law enforcement agencies and the participating agencies, though access on the state level is obtained through the FBI.

Initial queries about the program from the EFF, Franken and others referred to the Next Generation Identification-Interstate Photo System (NGI-IPS, or NGI), which allows the FBI and some state and local agencies to cross-reference surveillance camera footage and other photographs with its collection of candidate photos.

But the GAO report found a much larger program, run by the criminal justice information services division of the FBI (CJIS), called Facial Analysis, Comparison and Evaluation, or Face, which “conducts face recognition searches on NGI-IPS and can access external partners’ face recognition systems to support FBI active investigations”.


Source
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