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{CC}StealthBlue
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:03 WhiteDog wrote: All this is bullshit. Read Max Weber, there is everything you need to know about religion. I have not read Max Weber, but I am not shocked you recommended the author of The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism  | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:06 Plansix wrote: I have not read Max Weber, but I am not shocked you recommended the author of The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism Weber is brilliant, and his work on religion unmatched. He was a more of a liberal than a communist, but the intelligent kind. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2686 Posts
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oBlade
United States6613 Posts
What "happened," can you clarify? How are we supposed to have any idea what he's trying to say or even talking about from a video like this? I can't watch every 1 hour rally he gives trying to find the context of every 8 second clip of nonsense someone isolated. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:18 SolaR- wrote: I'm more interested in what is true, and the quest for truth. Not so much on religion and it's impact on economics. Weber again. I greatly recommend his speech on the vocation of scientist and politician as a start (and they're free on the internet !). It's a gold mine for anyone who want to think about anything really. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:18 WhiteDog wrote: Weber is brilliant, and his work on religion unmatched. He was a more of a liberal than a communist, but the intelligent kind. People have recommended him to me in the past, but then my love of historical writing and study took over and I never really got back to religious studies. I should read him. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So this just happened: More context needed. This is almost as bad as letting a Clinton foundation donor onto a security board for no reason what so ever. And then attempting to stall ABC news and hide the fact that this man existed. Except it's not. Russia Released DNC hacked opposition research. http://thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/assets/djtdncgucc.pdf | ||
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SolaR-
United States2686 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:19 oBlade wrote: What "happened," can you clarify? How are we supposed to have any idea what he's trying to say or even talking about from a video like this? I can't watch every 1 hour rally he gives trying to find the context of every 8 second clip of nonsense someone isolated. I'll find the video in it's entirety and watch it later. I'll let you know. Probably an exaggeration like it usually is. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
This happened a few miles away from me. I need to take a shower because I feel disgusting. | ||
Falling
Canada11607 Posts
I don't get it. Could you provide more context? | ||
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Simberto
Germany12045 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:32 ticklishmusic wrote: This happened a few miles away from me. I need to take a shower because I feel disgusting. Without context this is hard to interpret. I am not a Trump fan myself, but to me at first it didn't really seem bad. I understood the statement as: "If you want to know about gay people, talk to them, ask them" which seems like a reasonable statement to make. Of course it highly depends on what the context is, but without context, those 8 seconds are not really damning to me. Generally speaking, i think 8 seconds of video without context should only very rarely be used to make any point. | ||
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
On June 16 2016 05:21 biology]major wrote: The same way we at TL shun balance whine and focus on working hard to get to that sweet grandmaster level (not that anyone actually plays sc2 anymore), that same attitude can be extended to real life. Yeah, being black actually sucks in most cases. You are most likely going to be born to a single mom, in a impoverished area and have the odds stacked against you, but it is still that person's responsibility to do his/her best in a given situation. Currently, there are enough well-fare and government programs, which ironically are a form of benevolent racism which should allow anyone to ATLEAST be in the upper middle class. Most of us might never reach the 1% even if we juice out every ounce of our potential, but I think the vast majority of people irrespective of skin color can make it to the middle-upper middle class level even coming from the worst environments. The far left and BLM movements want blizzard to fix everything for them, even though if they were "skilled" enough they should be able to win in the end. These kinds of movements poison the already disadvantaged black community by holding them back psychologically even more. They are already pressed for resources and time, yet they waste it by congregating outside and screaming empty words without any organization. Also in my opinion there is no white privilege, if anything there is a wealth privilege and even more important a family privilege. Starting out with a single parent without any good family support system puts you in a huge disadvantage. Fuck it, just close this thread forever, this shit is so dumb. As wonderful Stefanie Sprengnagel said a few days ago, "I think guys that feel themselves to be oppressed by the political correctness dictatorship would shoot themselves in the head after spending a day in the body of an actual minority." Everybody can make it to upper middle class! LOL. Lets revive the bookthread instead maybe. WhiteDog: i think you need to know a lot more about religion than just Maxxy Weber :o | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
(and from my experience in the field of health it is generally more productive to refer to a group as "gay people" or "people with diabetes" or "Republican-leaning voters" if you wish to engage with that group-even ignoring whether it's somehow more or less "politically correct", nobody wants to be reduced to "a hypertensive" while you are soliciting their feedback) But that's not anything particularly new from how Trump refers to people, it's pretty much just how he talks. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:59 TheTenthDoc wrote: I think the main reason StealthBlue posted that is because people generally aren't fans of being referred to as "the _____" whether it's "the gays" "the Jews" "the blacks" "the whites" "the diabetics" etc. Even "the Republicans" or "The Democrats" is kind of a mechanism for other-ing and dehumanization if you look at it a certain way. (and from my experience in the field of health it is generally more productive to refer to a group as "gay people" or "people with diabetes" or "Republican-leaning voters" if you wish to engage with that group-even ignoring whether it's somehow more or less "politically correct", nobody wants to be reduced to "a hypertensive" while you are soliciting their feedback) But that's not anything particularly new from how Trump refers to people, it's pretty much just how he talks. Really? At this point we'll arrive at 2.0 meters people getting mad if referred to as 'tall'... how is pointing out one's party dehumanizing? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:28 SK.Testie wrote: Russia Released DNC hacked opposition research. http://thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/assets/djtdncgucc.pdf Wow, they actually released that? That's going to be a hell of a political firestorm sooner or later. Curious what the official response of the US govt is going to be. Maybe the DNC will learn to secure their data better. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On June 16 2016 07:17 LegalLord wrote: Wow, they actually released that? That's going to be a hell of a political firestorm sooner or later. Curious what the official response of the US govt is going to be. Maybe the DNC will learn to secure their data better. Well, I don't know if it's actually true or real. But.. clearly a lot of work was put into it. I won't jump to conclusions but that's the official story so far. Having it get "hacked" could even be a political move seeing as it's not like it's painting Donald in a pretty light. Though people are ripping through it right now so we'll see what the juiciest parts are. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 16 2016 07:20 SK.Testie wrote: Well, I don't know if it's actually true or real. But.. clearly a lot of work was put into it. I won't jump to conclusions but that's the official story so far. Having it get "hacked" could even be a political move seeing as it's not like it's painting Donald in a pretty light. Though people are ripping through it right now so we'll see what the juiciest parts are. I really don't think that's a fake. I started reading through it and it's clearly a highly developed research piece that probably cost tens of thousands of dollars, maybe more, to write up. It doesn't help the DNC in the slightest to have this leaked. It gives Trump a whole lot of leverage to prepare and refute the current strategy of the Hillary campaign. They could develop a new strategy but that's going to be a lot of work. News story on the leak: http://bgr.com/2016/06/15/trump-research-file-dnc-clinton-hacker/ | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On June 16 2016 00:37 ticklishmusic wrote: I find it funny that extreme animal rights activists are more of a threat than the KKK. Yeh, we should clearly believe this "perceived threat" (lol) chart and consider and murderous and right extrem movement to be less of a threat than animal activist, which constantly get unwarrantly criminalized and are almost completly harmless. On June 15 2016 23:04 oneofthem wrote: isis is kind of like the islamic bernie movement with their primary target the moderate muslims of the center if you dont vote for clinton, sanders will behead your children | ||
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xDaunt
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