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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44970 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So this just happened: Some of you aren't really sure what to make of this short clip. What I'm taking out of this is that Trump is making a distinction between gays and people. He says "Ask the gays, and ask the people" (this then that). As in, gays aren't a subset of people, but are instead a group of beings who are mutually exclusive. That being said, this could just be a quote mine, so more context is definitely good. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 16 2016 08:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Some of you aren't really sure what to make of this short clip. What I'm taking out of this is that Trump is making a distinction between gays and people. He says "Ask the gays, and ask the people" (this then that). As in, gays aren't a subset of people, but are instead a group of beings who are mutually exclusive. That being said, this could just be a quote mine, so more context is definitely good. Eh, that's a stretch. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44970 Posts
On June 16 2016 05:01 xDaunt wrote: It is tough to quantify what the "appropriate level of attention" is. All I know is that we're well beyond it. We live in a society that has organizations like BLM exist and that force feeds us crap like the school to prison pipeline. Again, what I object to is ascribing these types of problems to "racism." Doing so poisons the conversation and obfuscates the real problems. Why is the school to prison pipeline "crap" though? It's (unfortunately) a real situation. Some stats on it: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/tsr/education-under-arrest/school-to-prison-pipeline-fact-sheet/ Nope, and I think that we have done black people a great disservice in creating that concept. What about the multitude of statistics showing disproportionate stops and searches, arrests, convictions, longer sentences for identical crimes, passing over "black" job applications for otherwise-identical "white" ones, and countless other inconsistencies between being a black person in America and a white person? Here's a huge compilation of data: "The data are organized into 12 categories: Police, the War on Drugs, Prison (Mass Incarceration), Criminal Justice/Courts, Education, Employment, Wealth, Workplace, Voting, Media, and Housing." http://www.jbwtucker.com/ultimate-white-privilege-statistics/ I'm sure that they do. Sure, they have some legitimate reasons to feel that way. But I also think that they overly-embraced these thoughts at the urging of the PC left. I'm not black. If I was black, poor, and uneducated, I can certainly see how my perspective would be different. But given my upbringing and experience, simply changing my race wouldn't really affect my opinions. If any white person wants to know what real racism feels like, they should go travel around China. I have spent some time over there, and it was quite illuminating. Can you elaborate on your experiences with racism in China? I've never been there. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44970 Posts
I agree*, hence why I'd like to see a longer video clip  *Although, for what it's worth, I could absolutely see Trump making such a gaff... it'd be his millionth by now. | ||
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farvacola
United States18835 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On June 16 2016 08:05 Rebs wrote: i fell out of my chair laughing.. High information voters will vote for Trump... + Show Spoiler + that is technically correct except the information will be full of shit with youtube links backed up by sources. Thanks man, you do offer so much to talk to people and laugh about. Way to insult women without evidence btw. People didnt just vote for him because he was cute. People also voted for him because Harper was a shitbag and his politics are not what Canadians endorse anymore. No it's technically correct because a large # of people will vote Trump based on their beliefs of what government should and shouldn't be involved in. The point was that a man voting for what he believes the role of government should be & biting the bullet for supreme court justices is a slightly more nuanced view than what they saw on Stephen Colbert or Jon Oliver. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On June 16 2016 07:43 Velr wrote: just to make this clear. You guys are now seriously discussing Donald Trump as your future president. Please, just scroll back 4-500 pages to see how absolutely retarded this is. My mind is blowing up atm... It is very sad. But they've devised ways to interpret and constrain his claims on their own, which I assume is what makes it all seem sane to them. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 16 2016 08:43 Doodsmack wrote: It is very sad. But they've devised ways to interpret and constrain his claims on their own, which I assume is what makes it all seem sane to them. The reality distortion field is strong. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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oBlade
United States5749 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + He's talking about the treatment of certain groups in other countries. I want to also add when I first saw StealthBlue's preface, I honestly expected to be the clip to be something retarded like when he talks about doing worse things than waterboarding, but then I watched it and was totally let down - really nothing to see here. | ||
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farvacola
United States18835 Posts
On June 16 2016 08:49 biology]major wrote: Darkplasmaball, The school to prison pipeline statistics are unnerving, but you assume that there is a systemic discrimination causing the discrepancies vs blacks and whites. I think a far better explanation is that 75% of black kids are raised by a single parent, vs 25% in the rest of the population. There is not a good reason to consider single parent rates the most prominent factor. Clearly, the disparate inequalities faced by minorities are due to a large number of interrelated elements. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On June 16 2016 08:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Some of you aren't really sure what to make of this short clip. What I'm taking out of this is that Trump is making a distinction between gays and people. He says "Ask the gays, and ask the people" (this then that). As in, gays aren't a subset of people, but are instead a group of beings who are mutually exclusive. That being said, this could just be a quote mine, so more context is definitely good. I mean, it's obvious "people" is just referring to people that are not gay. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Fresh off being grilled on live TV by CNN host Anderson Cooper over her anti-gay positions, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi declared Wednesday morning that it was his interview with her that encouraged "anger and hate." Cooper's interview with Bondi Tuesday made for dramatic TV when he repeatedly pressed Bondi on whether it was "hypocritical" of her to suggest she was an ally to the LGBT community. Bondi was involved in defending the state's same-sex marriage ban. Bondi said Wednesday she agreed to Cooper's interview to help victims' families, not to create "more anger and havoc and hatred yesterday. Yesterday was about unity." “There’s a time and place for everything, but yesterday wasn’t the time nor the place in front of a hospital when we could have been helping victims,” Bondi said in a radio interview on WOR. She went on to say that she was disappointed in the interview. "All it did was encourage anger and hate," Bondi said. Source | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
of course also Belgium is a beautiful city https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/743146687821189120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw Trump, the first potential president who also happens to be a Simpsons character | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44970 Posts
On June 16 2016 08:49 biology]major wrote: Darkplasmaball, The school to prison pipeline statistics are unnerving, but you assume that there is a systemic discrimination causing the discrepancies vs blacks and whites. I think a far better explanation is that 75% of black kids are raised by a single parent, vs 25% in the rest of the population. I'd say that there are a multitude of factors that are all related to each other. Two of the most predominant ones are systemic discrimination and the correlation between race and socioeconomic status (which is related to family life, affluence, availability and number of parents in the household, etc.). While the latter umbrella factor can account for some things (e.g., part of the vicious cycle of poverty -> low education/ opportunity -> poverty), it doesn't account for criminal justice discrimination and other issues listed. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 16 2016 08:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Why is the school to prison pipeline "crap" though? It's (unfortunately) a real situation. Some stats on it: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/tsr/education-under-arrest/school-to-prison-pipeline-fact-sheet/ Let me clarify. While I don't agree with the criminalization of schools (to put it mildly), I do not like how the school school to prison pipeline is used as a chronic excuse in the same way that white privilege is. What about the multitude of statistics showing disproportionate stops and searches, arrests, convictions, longer sentences for identical crimes, passing over "black" job applications for otherwise-identical "white" ones, and countless other inconsistencies between being a black person in America and a white person? Here's a huge compilation of data: "The data are organized into 12 categories: Police, the War on Drugs, Prison (Mass Incarceration), Criminal Justice/Courts, Education, Employment, Wealth, Workplace, Voting, Media, and Housing." http://www.jbwtucker.com/ultimate-white-privilege-statistics/ Most of these issues fall into the disparate impact category that I discussed earlier as opposed racism. The two exceptions are sentencing differences and equal opportunity employment/housing. Laws already exist to take care of the latter. The former is a bigger problem that should be addressed. Can you elaborate on your experiences with racism in China? I've never been there. I don't have time right now. Remind me to do it later. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44970 Posts
On June 16 2016 08:58 killa_robot wrote: I mean, it's obvious "people" is just referring to people that are not gay. Wouldn't it be obvious if he said "other people"? Gays vs. Other people makes it clear that gays are people. Gays vs. People means they're mutually exclusive, right? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23436 Posts
On June 16 2016 08:49 biology]major wrote: Darkplasmaball, The school to prison pipeline statistics are unnerving, but you assume that there is a systemic discrimination causing the discrepancies vs blacks and whites. I think a far better explanation is that 75% of black kids are raised by a single parent, vs 25% in the rest of the population. No. There is a distinct and clear racial component to the prison pipeline and pettifogging/trying to explain it away is complicity in my view. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images.dailykos.com/images/142188/story_image/black-fatherhood.png?1431025883) More Info | ||
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Introvert
United States4851 Posts
So then again I'm not so confident. I just don't know who he appeals to. Even with two really unpopular candidates, people vote strategically. Plus they aren't serious as a party. I just don't see it... | ||
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