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On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 01:41 IgnE wrote:
So you are fine with a daughter who enthusiastically wears it and says you are going to hell? This has to be one of the most disingenuous discussions I have engaged with in a while. When did I fucking say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues I should be aware of? Edit: I'm not playing 20 questions about religion just because two internet atheists found someone to debate. Seriously, do you people think anyone who believes in religion has to justify their beliefs to you? I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you? Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine.
Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on.
You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate.
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On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 01:41 IgnE wrote:
So you are fine with a daughter who enthusiastically wears it and says you are going to hell? This has to be one of the most disingenuous discussions I have engaged with in a while. When did I fucking say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues I should be aware of? Edit: I'm not playing 20 questions about religion just because two internet atheists found someone to debate. Seriously, do you people think anyone who believes in religion has to justify their beliefs to you? I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you? Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate.
Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself.
Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school.
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On June 16 2016 04:11 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 01:41 IgnE wrote:
So you are fine with a daughter who enthusiastically wears it and says you are going to hell? This has to be one of the most disingenuous discussions I have engaged with in a while. When did I fucking say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues I should be aware of? Edit: I'm not playing 20 questions about religion just because two internet atheists found someone to debate. Seriously, do you people think anyone who believes in religion has to justify their beliefs to you? I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you? Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate. Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself. Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school.
How dare someone make you question your own belief system! Absurd!
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On June 16 2016 04:01 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 03:44 Mohdoo wrote:On June 16 2016 03:29 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2016 03:19 xDaunt wrote:On June 16 2016 02:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2016 02:29 SolaR- wrote:
This all depends how racism is defined. The topic of conversation was white supremacists, neo-nazis and the like. In that regard, i would say racism is almost if not all dead.
GH, what you are arguing for, I can agree with certain aspects. Let me stress certain. While i do agree with some views on systematic racism, i also think some aspects have been over dramaticized by the left, and some people (mostly white college kids) have lost grip with reality. Racism isn't dead. At best it's undercover, that doesn't make it go away. The drug trade in the US is also "undercover", still one of the biggest drug markets in the world. The idea that "racism is dead" is a wholly and completely ridiculous thing to say. EDIT: I'll say that some aspects of racism have been exaggerated by the left but that in no way is indicative of racism being a thing of the past, that's a view overwhelmingly populated by non PoC for obvious reasons they yet seem oblivious to. I'll concede that some minorities -- particularly blacks -- get adverse, disparate impacts from some facially neutral policies and institutions. I'm just not going to call that disparate impact racism, and I firmly believe that the greatest disservice that the "civil rights movement" (such as it is in its greatly lessened, current incarnation) ever did to itself and its constituents was adopt its retarded terminology. That's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about KKK members (or some modern version) as police chiefs as an example of both real flat out racism is not just not dead but still in plenty of positions of power as well. That you don't want to call it racism has ~0 bearing on whether it is or not. Do you have any statistics or anything regarding KKK members in positions of power? Is that supposed to be a serious question? Like a statistic of how many publicly self-avowed members of the KKK are in power?
Then how can we even discuss something we can't quantify or examine? How bad do we assume it is? How do we address it?
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On June 16 2016 04:11 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 01:41 IgnE wrote:
So you are fine with a daughter who enthusiastically wears it and says you are going to hell? This has to be one of the most disingenuous discussions I have engaged with in a while. When did I fucking say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues I should be aware of? Edit: I'm not playing 20 questions about religion just because two internet atheists found someone to debate. Seriously, do you people think anyone who believes in religion has to justify their beliefs to you? I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you? Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate. Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself. Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school.
I wouldn’t turn to Socrates for lessons on social skills, tbh. Let me put it this way. You are interested in examining my religious beliefs. I’m not. Good luck with that.
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On June 16 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:11 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 01:41 IgnE wrote:
So you are fine with a daughter who enthusiastically wears it and says you are going to hell? This has to be one of the most disingenuous discussions I have engaged with in a while. When did I fucking say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues I should be aware of? Edit: I'm not playing 20 questions about religion just because two internet atheists found someone to debate. Seriously, do you people think anyone who believes in religion has to justify their beliefs to you? I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you? Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate. Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself. Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school. I wouldn’t turn to Socrates for lessons on social skills, tbh. Let me put it this way. You are interested in examining my religious beliefs. I’m not. Good luck with that.
Why are you not interested? Just curious.
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On June 16 2016 04:19 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:11 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 01:41 IgnE wrote:
So you are fine with a daughter who enthusiastically wears it and says you are going to hell? This has to be one of the most disingenuous discussions I have engaged with in a while. When did I fucking say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues I should be aware of? Edit: I'm not playing 20 questions about religion just because two internet atheists found someone to debate. Seriously, do you people think anyone who believes in religion has to justify their beliefs to you? I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you? Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate. Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself. Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school. I wouldn’t turn to Socrates for lessons on social skills, tbh. Let me put it this way. You are interested in examining my religious beliefs. I’m not. Good luck with that. Why are you not interested? Just curious.
I have better people to discuss the matter with that are less irritating and better read on the subject of religion. It is a mostly one sided discussion that beliefs me very little, since the goal is mostly to make me question my beliefs, rather than learn something.
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On June 16 2016 03:52 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 03:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 16 2016 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
White supremacists have been losing sway, yes. But bigotry of all sorts is alive and well. Here's my point: racism is so dead in the US that the left has had to go out of its ways to create new, overly-expansive definitions of racism to bitch about lest they lose all purpose in life. To be clear, are you actually saying that racism isn't an issue in the United States anymore? Or am I misinterpreting your comment? Basically, yes. To the extent that racism is still an issue, it is completely undeserving of the level of attention that it currently gets.
Okay then. I'd like to ask you a few questions based off that, if you don't mind:
1. What would be an "appropriate" level of attention for acknowledging and trying to change racist attitudes in the United States? I'm not really sure how to quantify or qualify it, but I'm interested in where you think the level is, and where you think the level should be lowered to.
2. Do you think "white privilege" exists in the United States on a daily basis?
3a. Do you think that black people in our country consistently feel less at ease and worry about things escalating inappropriately, or being treated worse overall, due to the color of their skin?
3b. And furthermore, do you think that there are legitimate reasons for them to feel this way (whether or not they actually do)?
4. Do you think your attitude or perspective towards racism in the United States would be different if you were black? (If I remember correctly, I don't think you are?)
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On June 16 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:11 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 01:41 IgnE wrote:
So you are fine with a daughter who enthusiastically wears it and says you are going to hell? This has to be one of the most disingenuous discussions I have engaged with in a while. When did I fucking say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues I should be aware of? Edit: I'm not playing 20 questions about religion just because two internet atheists found someone to debate. Seriously, do you people think anyone who believes in religion has to justify their beliefs to you? I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you? Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate. Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself. Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school. I wouldn’t turn to Socrates for lessons on social skills, tbh. Let me put it this way. You are interested in examining my religious beliefs. I’m not. Good luck with that.
I'm really not. I don't care about your religious beliefs. I wanted to know whether you would be disappointed if your daughter came home in a burkha and condemned your heathen lifestyle.
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On June 16 2016 04:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:19 SolaR- wrote:On June 16 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:11 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 01:41 IgnE wrote:
So you are fine with a daughter who enthusiastically wears it and says you are going to hell? This has to be one of the most disingenuous discussions I have engaged with in a while. When did I fucking say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues I should be aware of? Edit: I'm not playing 20 questions about religion just because two internet atheists found someone to debate. Seriously, do you people think anyone who believes in religion has to justify their beliefs to you? I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you? Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate. Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself. Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school. I wouldn’t turn to Socrates for lessons on social skills, tbh. Let me put it this way. You are interested in examining my religious beliefs. I’m not. Good luck with that. Why are you not interested? Just curious. I have better people to discuss the matter with that are less irritating and better read on the subject of religion. It is a mostly one sided discussion that beliefs me very little, since the goal is mostly to make me question my beliefs, rather than learn something.
I wanted to learn something. Are you daft? And believe me I'm pretty well read on the subject of religion.
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On June 16 2016 04:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 03:52 xDaunt wrote:On June 16 2016 03:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 16 2016 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
White supremacists have been losing sway, yes. But bigotry of all sorts is alive and well. Here's my point: racism is so dead in the US that the left has had to go out of its ways to create new, overly-expansive definitions of racism to bitch about lest they lose all purpose in life. To be clear, are you actually saying that racism isn't an issue in the United States anymore? Or am I misinterpreting your comment? Basically, yes. To the extent that racism is still an issue, it is completely undeserving of the level of attention that it currently gets. Okay then. I'd like to ask you a few questions based off that, if you don't mind: 1. What would be an "appropriate" level of attention for acknowledging and trying to change racist attitudes in the United States? I'm not really sure how to quantify or qualify it, but I'm interested in where you think the level is, and where you think the level should be lowered to. 2. Do you think "white privilege" exists in the United States on a daily basis? 3a. Do you think that black people in our country consistently feel less at ease and worry about things escalating inappropriately, or being treated worse overall, due to the color of their skin? 3b. And furthermore, do you think that there are legitimate reasons for them to feel this way (whether or not they actually do)? 4. Do you think your attitude or perspective towards racism in the United States would be different if you were black? (If I remember correctly, I don't think you are?)
You're framing the questions emotionally. You have to show a person, policy, or law that is racist in intent for people to care about this cause. If you say, "black people are poorer than other minorities and have a high single motherhood rate" the first response will be, "well.. stop partaking in actions that will lead you to single mother hood". If you are implying that the system is designed against them, they will say, "well.. we have public schools, public libraries, affirmative action, welfare, and many other government assistance programs to help people out". To that they can say, "well if our public schools weren't so terrible and in your school a grade 2 is learning what we're learning in grade 6!" you'd still get another response down the line. You have to go through piece by piece the line of addressing each of these things. And IF you can win them over you have succeeded.
Is there a particular group of people that you feel is the most racist? Do you feel it is equal across the board? Or do you think it's societal, or perhaps global in nature? Do you think systemic disadvantages are forced upon certain peoples currently or do you think there are some elements of personal responsibility? Is this societal / global perspective perpetuated by the media or is it people noticing patterns on the ground level that get reflected? To say it's, "institutionalized, systemic, and white privilege" doesn't give people a clear case. It's going to be a long process of pointing out these things individually. But that seems the fairest way to do it, no?
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On June 16 2016 04:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:19 SolaR- wrote:On June 16 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:11 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 01:41 IgnE wrote:
So you are fine with a daughter who enthusiastically wears it and says you are going to hell? This has to be one of the most disingenuous discussions I have engaged with in a while. When did I fucking say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues I should be aware of? Edit: I'm not playing 20 questions about religion just because two internet atheists found someone to debate. Seriously, do you people think anyone who believes in religion has to justify their beliefs to you? I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you? Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate. Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself. Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school. I wouldn’t turn to Socrates for lessons on social skills, tbh. Let me put it this way. You are interested in examining my religious beliefs. I’m not. Good luck with that. Why are you not interested? Just curious. I have better people to discuss the matter with that are less irritating and better read on the subject of religion. It is a mostly one sided discussion that beliefs me very little, since the goal is mostly to make me question my beliefs, rather than learn something.
What can i read to be considered well read on the subject?
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On June 16 2016 04:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 03:52 xDaunt wrote:On June 16 2016 03:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 16 2016 01:58 xDaunt wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
White supremacists have been losing sway, yes. But bigotry of all sorts is alive and well. Here's my point: racism is so dead in the US that the left has had to go out of its ways to create new, overly-expansive definitions of racism to bitch about lest they lose all purpose in life. To be clear, are you actually saying that racism isn't an issue in the United States anymore? Or am I misinterpreting your comment? Basically, yes. To the extent that racism is still an issue, it is completely undeserving of the level of attention that it currently gets. Okay then. I'd like to ask you a few questions based off that, if you don't mind: 1. What would be an "appropriate" level of attention for acknowledging and trying to change racist attitudes in the United States? I'm not really sure how to quantify or qualify it, but I'm interested in where you think the level is, and where you think the level should be lowered to.
It is tough to quantify what the "appropriate level of attention" is. All I know is that we're well beyond it. We live in a society that has organizations like BLM exist and that force feeds us crap like the school to prison pipeline. Again, what I object to is ascribing these types of problems to "racism." Doing so poisons the conversation and obfuscates the real problems.
2. Do you think "white privilege" exists in the United States on a daily basis?
Nope, and I think that we have done black people a great disservice in creating that concept.
3a. Do you think that black people in our country consistently feel less at ease and worry about things escalating inappropriately, or being treated worse overall, due to the color of their skin?
I'm sure that they do.
3b. And furthermore, do you think that there are legitimate reasons for them to feel this way (whether or not they actually do)?
Sure, they have some legitimate reasons to feel that way. But I also think that they overly-embraced these thoughts at the urging of the PC left.
4. Do you think your attitude or perspective towards racism in the United States would be different if you were black? (If I remember correctly, I don't think you are?)
I'm not black. If I was black, poor, and uneducated, I can certainly see how my perspective would be different. But given my upbringing and experience, simply changing my race wouldn't really affect my opinions.
If any white person wants to know what real racism feels like, they should go travel around China. I have spent some time over there, and it was quite illuminating.
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On June 16 2016 04:53 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:29 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:19 SolaR- wrote:On June 16 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:11 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 01:47 Plansix wrote:
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This has to be one of the most disingenuous discussions I have engaged with in a while. When did I fucking say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues I should be aware of?
Edit: I'm not playing 20 questions about religion just because two internet atheists found someone to debate. Seriously, do you people think anyone who believes in religion has to justify their beliefs to you? I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you? Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate. Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself. Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school. I wouldn’t turn to Socrates for lessons on social skills, tbh. Let me put it this way. You are interested in examining my religious beliefs. I’m not. Good luck with that. Why are you not interested? Just curious. I have better people to discuss the matter with that are less irritating and better read on the subject of religion. It is a mostly one sided discussion that beliefs me very little, since the goal is mostly to make me question my beliefs, rather than learn something. What can i read to be considered well read on the subject?
John Locke is not terrible. Isaac Newton is interesting. C. S. Lewis isn't bad. Tolkien also had some good thoughts. I am not up to date on any currently active writers right now.
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The same way we at TL shun balance whine and focus on working hard to get to that sweet grandmaster level (not that anyone actually plays sc2 anymore), that same attitude can be extended to real life. Yeah, being black actually sucks in most cases. You are most likely going to be born to a single mom, in a impoverished area and have the odds stacked against you, but it is still that person's responsibility to do his/her best in a given situation. Currently, there are enough well-fare and government programs, which ironically are a form of benevolent racism which should allow anyone to ATLEAST be in the upper middle class. Most of us might never reach the 1% even if we juice out every ounce of our potential, but I think the vast majority of people irrespective of skin color can make it to the middle-upper middle class level even coming from the worst environments. The far left and BLM movements want blizzard to fix everything for them, even though if they were "skilled" enough they should be able to win in the end.
These kinds of movements poison the already disadvantaged black community by holding them back psychologically even more. They are already pressed for resources and time, yet they waste it by congregating outside and screaming empty words without any organization. Also in my opinion there is no white privilege, if anything there is a wealth privilege and even more important a family privilege. Starting out with a single parent without any good family support system puts you in a huge disadvantage.
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On June 16 2016 05:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:53 SolaR- wrote:On June 16 2016 04:29 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:19 SolaR- wrote:On June 16 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:11 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:
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I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you?
Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate. Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself. Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school. I wouldn’t turn to Socrates for lessons on social skills, tbh. Let me put it this way. You are interested in examining my religious beliefs. I’m not. Good luck with that. Why are you not interested? Just curious. I have better people to discuss the matter with that are less irritating and better read on the subject of religion. It is a mostly one sided discussion that beliefs me very little, since the goal is mostly to make me question my beliefs, rather than learn something. What can i read to be considered well read on the subject? John Locke is not terrible. Isaac Newton is interesting. C. S. Lewis isn't bad. Tolkien also had some good thoughts. I am not up to date on any currently active writers right now.
I have read some john locke and a lot of voltaire. C.s lewis, i am familiar with his books and his perspective on religion. Besides the realm of science, i am not too familiar with newton. However, from what I've read he seemed crazy weird into alchemy, and a lot of his personal beliefs seemed quite odd.
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Newton was alive in an era where concept of alchemy was not completely disproven, so it’s not surprising. I haven’t read any of his works in like 10 years, so you might know more than me at this point.
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Newton had some great chemical intuition. It was mostly silly, but notbad.jpg considering we didn't even know what an atom is.
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On June 16 2016 05:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:53 SolaR- wrote:On June 16 2016 04:29 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:19 SolaR- wrote:On June 16 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:11 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 04:02 IgnE wrote:On June 16 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:On June 16 2016 03:54 IgnE wrote:
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I think they should be able to justify their beliefs, at least to themselves, don't you?
Your hysterical response speaks volumes though. As stated previously, you are the militant vegetarian demanding someone justify why they eat meat. I am not hysterical, I just think you are being an asshole and expressing that. I'm really not. You said you weren't afraid of religions but now we know you at least fear "cults" and judgmental burkha wearers. I'm trying to outline your imagination here for your benefit and mine. Yes, and during that process when you continued to bombard me with questions about the worst aspects of human nature, I decided it was not longer worth my time. That the interaction between you and me on the subject was a net loss for me, so I decided you move on. You seem to confuse harping on someone about your own pet issues with religion a discussion. It isn’t. I see this trend a lot when it comes to discussions about religion on the internet, were the non-religious person bombard the other person with questions until they get tired of answering. That is the opposite of a discussion. It’s not even a debate. Projection much? Sorry I don't care about your religion. I was trying to examine your belief about beliefs. I think if you ever call Donald Trump "thin-skinned" again you should be banned for being so incredibly unaware of yourself. Yeah fuck Socrates. He asked too many questions. It's good you are only a paralegal because I don't think you'd make it through law school. I wouldn’t turn to Socrates for lessons on social skills, tbh. Let me put it this way. You are interested in examining my religious beliefs. I’m not. Good luck with that. Why are you not interested? Just curious. I have better people to discuss the matter with that are less irritating and better read on the subject of religion. It is a mostly one sided discussion that beliefs me very little, since the goal is mostly to make me question my beliefs, rather than learn something. What can i read to be considered well read on the subject? John Locke is not terrible. Isaac Newton is interesting. C. S. Lewis isn't bad. Tolkien also had some good thoughts. I am not up to date on any currently active writers right now.
All this is bullshit.
Read Max Weber, there is everything you need to know about religion.
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