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On June 13 2016 21:41 On_Slaught wrote:


LOL.... no. People forget about these things faster than we'd like to admit. Maybe if this shooting happened in October it would matter, but June? No.

Which brings up the question of why people would ever vote for Trump if they wanted to prevent these sorts of events. He has zero experience on the matter and nothing he has said is a real answer to the solution.Unless of course you want to start throwing all Muslims in the country into internment camps. Then, I admit, this specific shooting wouldn't have happened.

On June 13 2016 21:14 SolaR- wrote:


I think people are starting to get fed up with these terrorists attacks and will turn to a person of strength. I expect these kind of attacks to continue, and Obama's speech was awful. He seemed weak, insincere, and I didn't get the feeling that there was any aim to solve the problem. His attitude seemed like this was just an unfortunate tragedy and frankley it kind of made me mad, and others as well. People may associate Hillary with Obama since they seem so bound togehter recently.

On June 13 2016 22:00 zeo wrote:

I'm sure Obama has the situation under control, he completely knows what he is doing and whats up:

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Maybe calling them 'moderate freedom fighters against the Assad regime that we have stopped funding but somehow all our funds end up with them' would make them easier to fight? Who knows...

On June 13 2016 22:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:


Are you interpreting Obama's speech in light of information you had after it was made? Because ISIS had not claimed responsibility at the time of his speaking.and I'm not sure even the 911 call had trickled up through the U.S. chain of information. It was still possible it was another Charleston church shooting.

He has never hesitated to mention "ISIS"; the fact that he didn't implies they did not have substantive evidence for it at the time and he didn't want to jump the gun.

On June 13 2016 21:43 SolaR- wrote:


The guy should have been locked up. The fbi is not granted enough power to do their job. He was interviewed twice and had known terrorist connections. That is enough for me.

On June 13 2016 22:10 Plansix wrote:

The more disturbing part is that he said all those things, but law enforcement had no way to prevent him from buying a fire arm. That he was able to be notorious about his desire to kill, be watched by the FBI and could still buy a fire arms without tripping up anyone. I am all about people being able to buy guns if they want, but not if the FBI has almost no power to prevent a sale if someone is a suspected terrorist. You would think that would be an easy in to bring charges against a suspected terrorist.

On June 13 2016 22:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
It's a double edged sword, but I think it will actually hurt Trump. Initially he'll cry victory, use a lot of racially coded language about and generally crow about how he was right about the Muslims. He'll talk about how Crooked Hillary puts Muslims before America. Trumps base will lap it up, and Fox news will have people on 24/7 "analyzing" the situation and saying how Trump is "strong" on foreign policy. Heck, maybe the neocons will find common ground on the issue.

And then the Democrats will hit back. Hillary will remind those who are wavering that she is a former SoS (even with the warts). If it's the case that the terrorists are American citizens, she'll use GWB's words that we are not at war with Islam and that diversity, including Muslims, are what make America great. SShe'll remind us that Trump has no coherent foreign policy and he wants to "go after their families" and his plan of "step 1: make a great deal, step 2: win" really isn't a plan at all. Oh, and she'll try and force a debate on foreign policy where Trump will call Hamas hummus and generally struggle.

Ultimately, I think most people who are undecided will want a steady hand on the wheel over Donald Trump.

On June 13 2016 22:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
It's a double edged sword, but I think it will actually hurt Trump. Initially he'll cry victory, use a lot of racially coded language about and generally crow about how he was right about the Muslims. He'll talk about how Crooked Hillary puts Muslims before America. Trumps base will lap it up, and Fox news will have people on 24/7 "analyzing" the situation and saying how Trump is "strong" on foreign policy. Heck, maybe the neocons will find common ground on the issue.

And then the Democrats will hit back. Hillary will remind those who are wavering that she is a former SoS (even with the warts). If it's the case that the terrorists are American citizens, she'll use GWB's words that we are not at war with Islam and that diversity, including Muslims, are what make America great. SShe'll remind us that Trump has no coherent foreign policy and he wants to "go after their families" and his plan of "step 1: make a great deal, step 2: win" really isn't a plan at all. Oh, and she'll try and force a debate on foreign policy where Trump will call Hamas hummus and generally struggle.

Ultimately, I think most people who are undecided will want a steady hand on the wheel over Donald Trump.

On June 13 2016 22:10 SolaR- wrote:


It was already known at the time of Obama's speech that he called 911 pledging to isis. Isis had not taken responsibility yet. The point is moot. Whether isis was behind this doesn't matter. Their influence is affecting islamic youth into this radical behavior. It is growing rampant and it needs to be called for what it is and viligent action needs to be taken. This obviously wasn't a case of just some deranged man shooting people senselessly. It was a message being sent.

On June 13 2016 22:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
It's a double edged sword, but I think it will actually hurt Trump. Initially he'll cry victory, use a lot of racially coded language about and generally crow about how he was right about the Muslims. He'll talk about how Crooked Hillary puts Muslims before America. Trumps base will lap it up, and Fox news will have people on 24/7 "analyzing" the situation and saying how Trump is "strong" on foreign policy. Heck, maybe the neocons will find common ground on the issue.

And then the Democrats will hit back. Hillary will remind those who are wavering that she is a former SoS (even with the warts). If it's the case that the terrorists are American citizens, she'll use GWB's words that we are not at war with Islam and that diversity, including Muslims, are what make America great. SShe'll remind us that Trump has no coherent foreign policy and he wants to "go after their families" and his plan of "step 1: make a great deal, step 2: win" really isn't a plan at all. Oh, and she'll try and force a debate on foreign policy where Trump will call Hamas hummus and generally struggle.

Ultimately, I think most people who are undecided will want a steady hand on the wheel over Donald Trump.

On June 13 2016 22:18 SolaR- wrote:


Trump is smarter than that and he already knows he has won the base of those supporters already. I watch a lot of Trump speeches and he is already redirecting his message to a broader audience, specifically Bernie supporters. I wouldn't be suprised if he tried to use this to gain some LGBT support, obviously not the base but groups of outsiders.

On June 13 2016 22:22 xDaunt wrote:


Two things. First, I don't think that W's lines from 15 years ago will fly today. The perception of Islam is not what it was after years of continuous wars and terrorist attacks. Americans have far less patience now than they did. Second, I think Hillary is badly exposed to attacks from Trump on foreign policy questions concerning Islam and the Middle East. Trump will score points against her on Libya, Iran, and Egypt, and will probably be able to hang Syria on Hillary as well given that Hillary has taken up the mantle of continuing Obama's foreign policy. More importantly, Trump's message is simpler, more concise, and more easily digestible for the average American. It will be much easier for them to accept Trump telling them what they already know and think as opposed to Hillary's barrages of nuance and wonkishness that won't make sense to them at first blush.

On June 13 2016 21:43 SolaR- wrote:


The guy should have been locked up. The fbi is not granted enough power to do their job. He was interviewed twice and had known terrorist connections. That is enough for me.

On June 13 2016 22:29 Plansix wrote:

Purely anecdotal, but most discussion about the shooting I see focuses on homophobia as a whole across all people, rather than homophobia from a specific group. I don’t know if the focus on the shooter’s background is going to gain much traction that community.

On June 13 2016 22:24 TheTenthDoc wrote:


Could you do a timeline breakdown on news breaking about the call? I couldn't find a good source of when news on that actually broke yesterday and I really want to know.

I also don't really know what you expect from a speech when ISIS hasn't claimed responsibility and the investigation is in the extreme early phases. You'll only get platitudes and reassurances at that point no matter who's in office-it's only with the benefit of actual information that you'll get any knowledge of what action should be taken. Until then you only say "people are taking care of it" in one way or another.

(I also don't see why calling it an ISIS or self-radicalized attack, which he almost certainly will, is not "calling it what it is")

On June 13 2016 22:30 ticklishmusic wrote:


I'll agree on the less patience bit, though I think America as a whole has become more tolerant (or more socially liberal), though there is backlash from those who have not moved as much as the average American.

I think you're overcomplicating it. All Hillary has to do is make Trump look stupid, and she's been doing a pretty good job of that in the last couple weeks. She hasn't moved all the troops from the left front to the right front yet either. There's plenty of time left as well. I would prefer her to run a more positive, issues-based campaign (apparently those kind of campaigns are unicorns) but it's not the correct strategy here.

I would also contend with Solar's assertion Trump is smarter. I listened to the speech he gave after Hillary gave her FoPo one. He sounded kind of deranged, think she may have struck a nerve with that one. I doubt his doctor would say he has the best health after 3 months of Hillary sending his blood pressure up.

On June 13 2016 22:32 zeo wrote:

You mean the discussions that censor any mention of Muslims or terrorism?

On June 13 2016 22:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
hillary is pretty pro gun control and ultimately i think her positions are where we should be. it doesnt take away guns but does help to limit ownership/ firepower in a reasonable way. though i do think it's a little too much to be realistic right now.

On June 13 2016 22:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
hillary is pretty pro gun control and ultimately i think her positions are where we should be. it doesnt take away guns but does help to limit ownership/ firepower in a reasonable way. though i do think it's a little too much to be realistic right now.