EPTOn June 11 2016 11:13 KwarK wrote:
God this topic has become such a shithole overnight.
God this topic has become such a shithole overnight.
Edit: And now it's temp locked
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46294 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On June 11 2016 11:10 SolaR- wrote: That is after the war... First we completely obliterated them and wiped them. Even resorting to the only two nuclear strikes in existence. You must beat your enemy into submission before rebuilding. Instead the last wars we resort to doing a half way job because we don't want to be too mean, and we end up accomplishing nothing. If you beat them into submission you can succeed in brainwashing them to your ideology and worldview. If you leave them barely damaged with a bitter taste in their mouth, there is room for animosity to grow. You don't seem to realize the difference between dealing with functional state actors, and dysfunctional states and non-state actors. The methods that work are quite different; especially due to the operational differences in their economic structure. Also, do you realize just how much it would cost to fix things like ISIS doing it your way? also, beating people into submission and brainwashing really doens't work well, it tends to backfire horribly actually. Mostly you need to read more history; though also some strategy, tactics, criminology, and some other stuff. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 11 2016 11:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Well the scale wasn't mentioned, but okay. Things don't have to be unnecessarily torturous and deadly to be effective though. You can also win with ideas. If we're dealing with a society that is receptive to our ideas, sure. If the society is not so receptive, then it needs to be utterly destroyed first. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On June 11 2016 11:12 Plansix wrote: As someone who wrote his final thesis on the rise and fall of totalitarianism, please take more history classes. I wrote my thesis on nuclear deterrence and Israel's justification in acquiring nuclear weaponry. I never claim to be an expert on the subject, like you. Maybe your delusions of grandeur supersede your ability to reason and be objective. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 11 2016 11:13 KwarK wrote: God this topic has become such a shithole overnight. Could you elaborate on TL staff's perspective on moderating this thread? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 11 2016 11:14 SolaR- wrote: Sure we do. When we attacked Germany, not everyone who fought for Germany was a believer of the Nazi party. We still fought them anyways. You were nevertheless at war with their country, Nazi party or not. In particular, killing some Germans did not make more of them and more people in other countries hostile to you. By comparison, in the current conflict killing people who are sufficiently tolerant of (or afraid of) terrorists to offer them shelter generates both more terrorists and more people willing to shelter them. That fact completely changes what strategies are effective. | ||
KwarK
United States44254 Posts
On June 11 2016 11:15 m4ini wrote: Would be your job to prevent it though, wouldn't it?  I enjoy myself. Some people here make me feel like i'm watching apes through a window, silently observing how they behave. Fair point. Instituting a timeout while I talk with the mod team about what the fuck to do with this topic. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
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m4ini
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Any news for us as to "what the fuck you guys do with this topic"? | ||
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KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22535 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8173 Posts
On June 13 2016 19:14 Gorsameth wrote: I will pray for your sanity ^^ With his signature Laws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice I smell blood. Will do my best to avoid it being mine. Interesting article about Mormons and their ambivalence to Trump in this article. I don't know how much Mormon vote can affect a general election but it seems the GOP has chosen the one worst nominee to convince those otherwise overwhelmingly conservative voters. His positions towards refugees and the ban on muslims are taken really seriously, and Romney opposes him uncompromisingly. This figures in particular talk at lengths of the problem Trump will be likely to encounter in the Book of Mormons belt: In Utah, a deep-red state that no Democrat has won since Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964, a recent poll shows Mr. Trump and Hillary Clinton running neck and neck, with the Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson — who has his campaign headquarters in Salt Lake City — picking up 16 percent, and nearly one-third of despairing respondents opting for “other.” (For perspective, George W. Bush won the state with 71 percent of the vote in 2004.) If the GOP starts to struggle in Utah, that's no good sign for it. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
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@KadaverBB - GL in moderation - seems like everyone tried to be hands off this thread lol. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8173 Posts
On June 13 2016 20:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: I hear he's going to concede, endorse Hillary so the democrats have a chance at beating Trump. I also think that with this recent massacre, it will push a ton of people in FL to vote republican this Nov. @KadaverBB - GL in moderation - seems like everyone tried to be hands off this thread lol. I am maybe a bit naive, but not sure that the shooting benefits Trump. It really depends how Clinton treats the subject. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On June 13 2016 21:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: I am maybe a bit naive, but not sure that the shooting benefits Trump. It really depends how Clinton treats the subject. I think people are starting to get fed up with these terrorists attacks and will turn to a person of strength. I expect these kind of attacks to continue, and Obama's speech was awful. He seemed weak, insincere, and I didn't get the feeling that there was any aim to solve the problem. His attitude seemed like this was just an unfortunate tragedy and frankley it kind of made me mad, and others as well. People may associate Hillary with Obama since they seem so bound togehter recently. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On June 13 2016 20:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: I hear he's going to concede, endorse Hillary so the democrats have a chance at beating Trump. I also think that with this recent massacre, it will push a ton of people in FL to vote republican this Nov. @KadaverBB - GL in moderation - seems like everyone tried to be hands off this thread lol. Yeah, I think Florida just turned red. Interested to see poll numbers among gays nationwide in the next few days. edit: Actually any polls to be honest | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On June 13 2016 21:16 zeo wrote: Yeah, I think Florida just turned red. Interested to see poll numbers among gays nationwide in the next few days. edit: Actually any polls to be honest LOL.... no. People forget about these things faster than we'd like to admit. Maybe if this shooting happened in October it would matter, but June? No. Which brings up the question of why people would ever vote for Trump if they wanted to prevent these sorts of events. He has zero experience on the matter and nothing he has said is a real answer to the solution.Unless of course you want to start throwing all Muslims in the country into internment camps. Then, I admit, this specific shooting wouldn't have happened. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On June 13 2016 21:41 On_Slaught wrote: LOL.... no. People forget about these things faster than we'd like to admit. Maybe if this shooting happened in October it would matter, but June? No. Which brings up the question of why people would ever vote for Trump if they wanted to prevent these sorts of events. He has zero experience on the matter and nothing he has said is a real answer to the solution.Unless of course you want to start throwing all Muslims in the country into internment camps. Then, I admit, this specific shooting wouldn't have happened. The guy should have been locked up. The fbi is not granted enough power to do their job. He was interviewed twice and had known terrorist connections. That is enough for me. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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