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DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
June 03 2016 15:21 GMT
#78621
On June 04 2016 00:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Can we make an exception and re-vote Obama into office? I mean, Roosevelt served almost four terms.


And he was so good that Republicans insisted on the 2-term rule.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 03 2016 15:22 GMT
#78622
A little more than a week after attacking New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez on the campaign trail in her home state, Donald Trump now says he would like the Republican governor's backing.

“I’d like to have it,” Trump told the Santa Fe New Mexican in an interview published Thursday night. “I respect her. I have always liked her.”

Trump sounded a different note during a May 24 rally in Albuquerque, however, telling a crowd of supporters that their governor, who also chairs the Republican Governors Association, is "not doing the job" on a variety of issues, including his unsubstantiated claim that "Syrian refugees are being relocated in large numbers to New Mexico."

The presumptive Republican nominee also ripped into Martinez for the state's unemployment figures and the state's growing reliance on food stamps under her tenure. “She’s got to do a better job, okay,” Trump said at the time. “Your governor has got to do a better job.”

A host of Republicans jumped to the defense of Martinez, the nation's only Latina governor, including former presidential opponents Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker and John Kasich, as well as House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who endorsed Trump on Thursday.


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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43219 Posts
June 03 2016 15:39 GMT
#78623
On June 03 2016 20:02 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 19:08 Surth wrote:
The vast majority of the violence is coming from the left right now. Every violent threat and action is coming from the far left.
Systemic violence is bodily violence. We're all being pretty violent right now.



On June 03 2016 17:35 NukeD wrote:
One thing I don't get is why people attack Trump on his position on illegal immigration. I mean its ILLEGAL, why on earth would you defend it. I think most of us here in europe don't understand the outrage on the idea of deporting ILLEGAL immigrants. What am I missing?

I defend very many things that are illegal. Sometimes laws suck.

But there are legal ways of getting into a country.

Needed tens of thousands of dollars in a three year process to get a green card when I came to the US and I'm middle class, have a degree, speak English as a first language etc. It's a bitch.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43219 Posts
June 03 2016 15:43 GMT
#78624
On June 04 2016 00:15 LegalLord wrote:
I'd vote for an Obama third term if it were an option. He's better than both frontrunners right now.

four more years
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 15:44:46
June 03 2016 15:44 GMT
#78625
obama 08 was super cool, tbh but hillary winning and making obama her vp pick or something and him running now would have been insane
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 15:51:44
June 03 2016 15:46 GMT
#78626
Trump's answer to Hillary's speech? Attacks on her delivery and lies with regards to the substance. It's going to be a long five months before her victory in November.

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 16:03:34
June 03 2016 16:00 GMT
#78627
On June 04 2016 00:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
obama 08 was super cool, tbh but hillary winning and making obama her vp pick or something and him running now would have been insane

nominate obama to the SCOTUS when the next judge dies/retires

On June 04 2016 00:39 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 20:02 NukeD wrote:
On June 03 2016 19:08 Surth wrote:
The vast majority of the violence is coming from the left right now. Every violent threat and action is coming from the far left.
Systemic violence is bodily violence. We're all being pretty violent right now.



On June 03 2016 17:35 NukeD wrote:
One thing I don't get is why people attack Trump on his position on illegal immigration. I mean its ILLEGAL, why on earth would you defend it. I think most of us here in europe don't understand the outrage on the idea of deporting ILLEGAL immigrants. What am I missing?

I defend very many things that are illegal. Sometimes laws suck.

But there are legal ways of getting into a country.

Needed tens of thousands of dollars in a three year process to get a green card when I came to the US and I'm middle class, have a degree, speak English as a first language etc. It's a bitch.

My family's experience (coming from the USSR) was no better. Probably worse since I doubt that a UK immigrant would be suspected of being a communist/Russian spy/evil superpredator/etc.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 03 2016 16:08 GMT
#78628
On June 04 2016 00:46 kwizach wrote:
Trump's answer to Hillary's speech? Attacks on her delivery and lies with regards to the substance. It's going to be a long five months before her victory in November.

https://twitter.com/LeonHWolf/status/738415591753666564

Was it ever going to be anything else? That was all he did through the primaries was mock the other candidates and talk about how great he is. Now is going to be him vs the entire Democratic party, that doesn’t care about his voter base that will never vote democrat.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 03 2016 16:17 GMT
#78629
Exxon has a lot of friends in Congress, but they didn’t come cheap. A study from the Public Accountability Initiative finds 13 members of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology collectively have received at least $98,270 in contributions from ExxonMobil employees and political action committees connected to the company.

Those same 13 committee members, all of them Republican, recently launched a counterinquiry into an investigation scrutinizing whether Exxon deliberately misled the public over the reality of climate change. New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman launched the investigation into Exxon in November; in March he was joined by attorneys general from five other states, plus the attorney general for the Virgin Islands.

In May, the Republican members of the House science committee started their own probe into the Schneiderman investigation. In an open letter to Schneiderman, they described his inquiry as “a coordinated attempt to deprive companies, nonprofit organizations and scientists of their First Amendment rights and ability to fund and conduct scientific research free from intimidation and threats of prosecution.”

In addition to the nearly $100,000 in donations related to Exxon, the Public Accountability Initiative found the 13 committee members had received $2,680,383 in overall contributions from the oil and gas industry. These findings were based on data from the Center for Responsive Politics, and how far back the data went varied depending on which House member was being scrutinized.

Schneiderman’s investigation was intended to look at whether Exxon had made claims about climate change that were belied by its own scientific research. He opened the inquiry just a few months after the Union of Concerned Scientists said it had obtained documents showing Exxon has been aware of the danger posed by man-made climate change for more than 30 years.


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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 03 2016 16:23 GMT
#78630
deport all the illegals, have the kids be able to come back whenever they choose to, they should retain all the rights of a u.s citizen. Also need to track people over staying on visas. That's a huge problem as well.

Let's not forget the Great Wall of America!!
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 03 2016 16:25 GMT
#78631
On June 03 2016 23:28 farvacola wrote:
The sad thing is that there are plenty of Trump fans who laud him for his lack of both knowledge of and respect for how laws work in this country lol.

It's kind hard to make the lack of respect for the law attack to stick when it's opposition protesters that are starting riots at his rallies and democrat politicians are actively supporting those protesters.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
June 03 2016 16:28 GMT
#78632
Trump's own words carry such a distinctive lack of respect for the law that the attack practically sticks itself. That his rallies attract angry members of the opposition is another issue entirely.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 03 2016 16:29 GMT
#78633
On June 04 2016 01:25 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 23:28 farvacola wrote:
The sad thing is that there are plenty of Trump fans who laud him for his lack of both knowledge of and respect for how laws work in this country lol.

It's kind hard to make the lack of respect for the law attack to stick when it's opposition protesters that are starting riots at his rallies and democrat politicians are actively supporting those protesters.

No, its pretty easy. You just accept that fact that some protesters are going to take it to far on either side, like the guy who punched the non-violent protester at the Trump rally and then said they would kill him next time.

And then we get back on the topic that Trump does not understand how the government works or the separation of powers.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 03 2016 16:31 GMT
#78634
On June 04 2016 01:28 farvacola wrote:
Trump's own words carry such a distinctive lack of respect for the law that the attack practically sticks itself. That his rallies attract angry members of the opposition is another issue entirely.

It depends upon which words you focus on. You can focus on his attacks on Judge Curiel. Or, you can focus on Trump's consistent theme of upholding the law in his statements on things like illegal immigration. Trump's a gigantic bundle of duality and contradiction. Good luck making something so rote stick.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43219 Posts
June 03 2016 16:34 GMT
#78635
On June 04 2016 01:25 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 23:28 farvacola wrote:
The sad thing is that there are plenty of Trump fans who laud him for his lack of both knowledge of and respect for how laws work in this country lol.

It's kind hard to make the lack of respect for the law attack to stick when it's opposition protesters that are starting riots at his rallies and democrat politicians are actively supporting those protesters.

Except nobody is trying to make one of the BLM protesting thugs at Trump rallies president. Violent thugs who riot should be arrested, charged and tried. I don't defend them. But they're also not especially dangerous, their disrespect for the law and for civil society consists mostly of shouting mean things and petty damage to property. Trump, on the other hand, wants the US military to disregard international law and their own internal rules and become his personal death and torture squad.

I will happily agree that random thugs from the protests shouldn't be made president, but by the same standard, nor should Trump.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 16:37:09
June 03 2016 16:36 GMT
#78636
Trumps words regarding illegal immigration only look like respect for the law in the eyes of those who want to build a wall along our border with Mexico. As for the roteness of the critique, I think its pretty easy to uniquely qualify that line of criticism by focusing on exactly how unique Trump's flaws really are. His repeated attacks on the federal judge are only some among many instances of Trump showing off just how little he actually understands the structure of government and society, and while that show may play well with the demographics firmly in Trump's grasp already, those on the fence are not exactly impressed if polling is any indicator.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
June 03 2016 16:38 GMT
#78637
Almost seems like DNC cares more about preventing Sander's presidency than letting Trump becoming president over their candidate.

If Hillary gets indicted, there are rumors that Joe Biden will be replacing Hillary and establishment will try to persuade democrats to take up Biden (who has never even campaigned) over Bernie; in which case people need to riot and tell them it is not acceptable.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 16:42:58
June 03 2016 16:42 GMT
#78638
I woudnl't entirely agree with that parku; if hillary gets indicted (unlikely) I don't see a reason why the delegate pledge to her should have to go to bernie. I'd expect them to go free agent, and make their own judgment or somesuch. I suspect most people who voted hillary over bernie would also prefer biden over bernie.
and he's been vice president for 8 years, so i'ts not like he needs ot campaign for us to know who he is and what he's like.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43219 Posts
June 03 2016 16:44 GMT
#78639
I was assured Obama would be president for life by now. If only the Texas State Guard hadn't stopped Jade Helm.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 03 2016 16:51 GMT
#78640
Hilary is not getting indicted anyways.
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