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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 01 2016 15:48 GMT
#78381
On June 02 2016 00:40 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 00:38 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.



This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.

And we have come to what really matters. It doesn’t matter if Clinton acted the same as the GOP SoS, it is that the GOP caught her. It’s not about fixing a problem, it’s about winning at all costs.

Except she didn't act the same. The Bush SOS's private email servers were always in federal custody.

Have experts weighed in on if that made the server more or less secure? Or if who has physical custody of it would matter?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2016 15:57 GMT
#78382
On June 02 2016 00:48 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 00:40 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:38 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/737806568201330688


This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.

And we have come to what really matters. It doesn’t matter if Clinton acted the same as the GOP SoS, it is that the GOP caught her. It’s not about fixing a problem, it’s about winning at all costs.

Except she didn't act the same. The Bush SOS's private email servers were always in federal custody.

Have experts weighed in on if that made the server more or less secure? Or if who has physical custody of it would matter?

I don't believe that any information has been publicly released regarding the security of the private server, but I highly doubt that it would be as hardened as it would be if it were in federal custody. The bigger issue (at this time, anyway) is that Hillary used the private server to circumvent FOIA and other public records laws.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 01 2016 16:00 GMT
#78383
On June 02 2016 00:57 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 00:48 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:40 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:38 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/737806568201330688


This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.

And we have come to what really matters. It doesn’t matter if Clinton acted the same as the GOP SoS, it is that the GOP caught her. It’s not about fixing a problem, it’s about winning at all costs.

Except she didn't act the same. The Bush SOS's private email servers were always in federal custody.

Have experts weighed in on if that made the server more or less secure? Or if who has physical custody of it would matter?

I don't believe that any information has been publicly released regarding the security of the private server, but I highly doubt that it would be as hardened as it would be if it were in federal custody. The bigger issue (at this time, anyway) is that Hillary used the private server to circumvent FOIA and other public records laws.


Isn't one of the fundamental issues with this ordeal the fact that tons of people didn't do their job? Many security people in government did not do their jobs here.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8215 Posts
June 01 2016 16:08 GMT
#78384
One more Krugman post. Sorry I post a lot of his, but he answers very precisely a lot of the things we have been discussing lately:

Every time we have a presidential election, I (and many others) find ourselves marveling at the way much of the news media settles on a narrative, and holds to that narrative no matter how much evidence accumulates that it’s wrong. In this campaign so far, the settled narrative is (1) American public full of rage at established figures (2) Hillary in trouble. Initially, actually, this was “public fed up with Bush and Clinton dynasties”, but had to be modified once it turned out that younger, fresher GOP establishment faces were equally hapless.

But what if none of this is true?

If Americans in general are full of rage, why does President Obama have a better approval rating than Ronald Reagan at this stage? This is actually amazing given the “negative partisanship” that ensures that Republicans will never express approval for a Democratic president.

As for Clinton, if you read the papers or, worse yet, watch cable, you’ve seen her doomed at least three times — last fall, before the Benghazi hearings, after the NH primary, and during the Sanders string of caucus victories before the New York primary. Strange to say, however, she’s about to win the nomination — and if the demographics-based projections are right, which they have consistently been, she’ll end up with about four times the delegate lead Obama had in 2008 and with a 4 million popular vote lead (as compared with the 2008 tie).

So how about a “counterintuitive” take — we’re supposed to love those, right? (I know, but not if they favor a Clinton.) Maybe a majority of Americans, while not full of joy about the aftermath of financial crisis, think pretty well of Obama, and are reasonably willing to support a continuation of his policies. Maybe the Trump phenomenon is about the rage of angry white Republican men, a rage not shared by voters at large. Maybe Clinton is a much better candidate than she’s given credit for — her main problem is not lack of “authenticity” or whatever, but the unremitting hostility of the media, which have given her far more negative coverage than they’re given anyone else.

There’s still the question of what Bernie Sanders and his diehard supporters may do. But assuming that they don’t decide to go full Nader, this year is likely to be a big victory for continuation of Obama policies, in the person of Hillary Clinton. Of course, I look forward to a day or two after the election, when we begin reading stories about how the Clinton administration is in freefall.


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The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2016 16:12 GMT
#78385
On June 02 2016 01:00 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 00:57 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:48 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:40 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:38 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/737806568201330688


This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.

And we have come to what really matters. It doesn’t matter if Clinton acted the same as the GOP SoS, it is that the GOP caught her. It’s not about fixing a problem, it’s about winning at all costs.

Except she didn't act the same. The Bush SOS's private email servers were always in federal custody.

Have experts weighed in on if that made the server more or less secure? Or if who has physical custody of it would matter?

I don't believe that any information has been publicly released regarding the security of the private server, but I highly doubt that it would be as hardened as it would be if it were in federal custody. The bigger issue (at this time, anyway) is that Hillary used the private server to circumvent FOIA and other public records laws.


Isn't one of the fundamental issues with this ordeal the fact that tons of people didn't do their job? Many security people in government did not do their jobs here.

I believe that the allegation is that Hillary hid her private server from the authorities (ie they didn't know about it).
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8215 Posts
June 01 2016 16:16 GMT
#78386
On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/737806568201330688


This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.

That sounds horrible. Trump is lying about every time he opens his mouth, and when Bush administration lied, it was to engage the country in an illegal disastrous war. But hey, emails!

Do you realize you are obsessed about something no one with a straight mind gives a damn about? This email thing is a non issue, and you seem to think that it's the single most important thing in this race.

No one cares, and no, it's not a good argument to make Hillary "crooked".

Find a better scandal, or start discussing actual policy, like the wall your champion wants to build, the ban on all muslims, the default of American debt, the use of torture and killing on civilian or the denial of global warming.

That worries be a tiny bit more than what server Hillary used.

But in desperation......
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 16:21:54
June 01 2016 16:19 GMT
#78387
On June 02 2016 01:12 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 01:00 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:57 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:48 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:40 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:38 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
[quote]

This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.

And we have come to what really matters. It doesn’t matter if Clinton acted the same as the GOP SoS, it is that the GOP caught her. It’s not about fixing a problem, it’s about winning at all costs.

Except she didn't act the same. The Bush SOS's private email servers were always in federal custody.

Have experts weighed in on if that made the server more or less secure? Or if who has physical custody of it would matter?

I don't believe that any information has been publicly released regarding the security of the private server, but I highly doubt that it would be as hardened as it would be if it were in federal custody. The bigger issue (at this time, anyway) is that Hillary used the private server to circumvent FOIA and other public records laws.


Isn't one of the fundamental issues with this ordeal the fact that tons of people didn't do their job? Many security people in government did not do their jobs here.

I believe that the allegation is that Hillary hid her private server from the authorities (ie they didn't know about it).


Every one of her emails ended with "@clintonemail.com". She sent what ... 50k+ emails? Every one of them implicitly told the recipient (who could have been damned near anyone) that the email went through the clintonemail server. This was the worst kept secret of all time. HRC probably did think the arrangement was allowed when no one complained upon seeing her send so many emails with @clintonemail.com right at the top.
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 16:30:26
June 01 2016 16:28 GMT
#78388
Why cant both be big deals?

If you are sending information such as US sattelite locations through unsecure networks and then get hacked multiple times I would say thats a big deal aswell. Actually, it wouldn't be such a big deal if she just said; yes, I did that and i f***ed up. The way how she handled the situation once discovered is what greatly exaggerated things to todays "scandal". Instead of just straight up telling the truth and taking the blame she tryed to avoid responsibillity in every way possible, which ended up throwing a huge shade over her personal and political integrity, and rightfully so.
sorry for dem one liners
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 01 2016 16:33 GMT
#78389
On June 02 2016 01:12 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 01:00 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:57 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:48 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:40 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:38 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
[quote]

This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.

And we have come to what really matters. It doesn’t matter if Clinton acted the same as the GOP SoS, it is that the GOP caught her. It’s not about fixing a problem, it’s about winning at all costs.

Except she didn't act the same. The Bush SOS's private email servers were always in federal custody.

Have experts weighed in on if that made the server more or less secure? Or if who has physical custody of it would matter?

I don't believe that any information has been publicly released regarding the security of the private server, but I highly doubt that it would be as hardened as it would be if it were in federal custody. The bigger issue (at this time, anyway) is that Hillary used the private server to circumvent FOIA and other public records laws.


Isn't one of the fundamental issues with this ordeal the fact that tons of people didn't do their job? Many security people in government did not do their jobs here.

I believe that the allegation is that Hillary hid her private server from the authorities (ie they didn't know about it).


I will go ahead and speak well beyond my realm of expertise: When I was young and worked in IT, we were expected to be the annoying parents regarding network security, network access, etc. Granted, this is many levels below the people who manage a secretary of state's cyber security. However, I would *imagine* the same philosophy applies.

The philosophy is essentially: Your boss will kick and scream, but you must do your job. You need to actively look for ways your senior people are being shit heads. In a way, network security people are like auditors or oversight committees.

However, I will admit that if Clinton told me to leave her alone, I would apologize and never say another word to her again. If she told some IT people to go eat a dick, I bet they ate 5 dicks.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 16:36:11
June 01 2016 16:35 GMT
#78390
On June 02 2016 01:28 NukeD wrote:
Why cant both be big deals?

If you are sending information such as US sattelite locations through unsecure networks and then get hacked multiple times I would say thats a big deal aswell. Actually, it wouldn't be such a big deal if she just said; yes, I did that and i f***ed up. The way how she handled the situation once discovered is what greatly exaggerated things to todays "scandal". Instead of just straight up telling the truth and taking the blame she tryed to avoid responsibillity in every way possible, which ended up throwing a huge shade over her personal and political integrity, and rightfully so.


I reckon she will take the shade, the way the spin doctors on the right and frankly even the far left now work it would be suicidal to admit it. And even more so at this point.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 01 2016 16:35 GMT
#78391
I am pretty sure it was that two year investigation into Benghazi by 5 separate GOP lead committees that lead to the combative response to the email inquiry, since that is how the GOP found out. Their people have fucked up during interviews saying that the entire thing was to discredit Clinton. This was never going to be a nice, “woops, that was a mistake and I am sorry”, no matter what Clinton did.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2016 16:44 GMT
#78392
On June 02 2016 01:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 01:12 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 01:00 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:57 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:48 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:40 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:38 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.

And we have come to what really matters. It doesn’t matter if Clinton acted the same as the GOP SoS, it is that the GOP caught her. It’s not about fixing a problem, it’s about winning at all costs.

Except she didn't act the same. The Bush SOS's private email servers were always in federal custody.

Have experts weighed in on if that made the server more or less secure? Or if who has physical custody of it would matter?

I don't believe that any information has been publicly released regarding the security of the private server, but I highly doubt that it would be as hardened as it would be if it were in federal custody. The bigger issue (at this time, anyway) is that Hillary used the private server to circumvent FOIA and other public records laws.


Isn't one of the fundamental issues with this ordeal the fact that tons of people didn't do their job? Many security people in government did not do their jobs here.

I believe that the allegation is that Hillary hid her private server from the authorities (ie they didn't know about it).


I will go ahead and speak well beyond my realm of expertise: When I was young and worked in IT, we were expected to be the annoying parents regarding network security, network access, etc. Granted, this is many levels below the people who manage a secretary of state's cyber security. However, I would *imagine* the same philosophy applies.

The philosophy is essentially: Your boss will kick and scream, but you must do your job. You need to actively look for ways your senior people are being shit heads. In a way, network security people are like auditors or oversight committees.

However, I will admit that if Clinton told me to leave her alone, I would apologize and never say another word to her again. If she told some IT people to go eat a dick, I bet they ate 5 dicks.

I have no doubt that there is a whole chain of fuckups that contributed to this email scandal. I'm particularly curious as to what happened to all of the security watchdogs and other persons that should(?) have been overseeing all of this. Yeah, Hillary (and/or her aides) told their subordinates to shut up and not talk about the email server, but not everyone worked for her. Someone should have blown a whistle (unless she was pulling more strings than we know about).

And just to be clear, I think right now, this is a situation where the cover up is worse than the crime. Hillary is crooked not because she broke the rules and set up a private email server that was outside of federal jurisdiction and control. She is crooked because has lied about what she did and why repeatedly and is now being caught in those lies. Now, the crime could be far worse than we know depending upon 1) whether Hillary/her staff knew that there were security vulnerabilities in her server and continued to use it anyway without telling anyone, 2) whether the server actually was breached, and 3) whether Hillary stripped classified markings from classified documents to pass them along in ways that, and to people whom, she shouldn't.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44400 Posts
June 01 2016 16:47 GMT
#78393
My understanding regarding the breaches is that you basically cannot prove a negative. If someone shows up with data from your server then that proves a positive, you were hacked, but if nobody shows up that doesn't prove a negative, you may still have been hacked. Isn't that why they forced the spokesman to backtrack when he said there were no breaches?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 01 2016 16:49 GMT
#78394
Or she really believed it was fine and was not a problem? She made no effort to keep it secret and only denied that it violated rules once the GOP decided it was a serious issue years after she was done being SoS.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2016 17:09 GMT
#78395
On June 02 2016 01:47 KwarK wrote:
My understanding regarding the breaches is that you basically cannot prove a negative. If someone shows up with data from your server then that proves a positive, you were hacked, but if nobody shows up that doesn't prove a negative, you may still have been hacked. Isn't that why they forced the spokesman to backtrack when he said there were no breaches?

I'm pretty sure that American forensic teams can figure out whether a server was breached on their own. They don't have to wait for the Russians or whoever else to claim credit. However, keep in mind that there have been reports that the Russians have access to those emails. Guccifer also claimed to have had access.
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
June 01 2016 17:11 GMT
#78396
The scary thing about the emails is what it means in the bigger picture. Why go through all this trouble to hide her emails? How can anyone believe that this would not have become public knowledge when FOIA requests were inevitably made? She is definitely hiding something bigger in all the other emails that she deleted. Why else wouldn't she just say she messed up and hand over EVERYTHING and move on?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 01 2016 17:20 GMT
#78397
On June 02 2016 02:11 Vin{MBL} wrote:
The scary thing about the emails is what it means in the bigger picture. Why go through all this trouble to hide her emails? How can anyone believe that this would not have become public knowledge when FOIA requests were inevitably made? She is definitely hiding something bigger in all the other emails that she deleted. Why else wouldn't she just say she messed up and hand over EVERYTHING and move on?

because the republicans have a VERY long history of making mountains out of molehills. that's at least a plausible reason.
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June 01 2016 17:23 GMT
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On June 02 2016 02:20 zlefin wrote:
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On June 02 2016 02:11 Vin{MBL} wrote:
The scary thing about the emails is what it means in the bigger picture. Why go through all this trouble to hide her emails? How can anyone believe that this would not have become public knowledge when FOIA requests were inevitably made? She is definitely hiding something bigger in all the other emails that she deleted. Why else wouldn't she just say she messed up and hand over EVERYTHING and move on?

because the republicans have a VERY long history of making mountains out of molehills. that's at least a plausible reason.

Also they requested them several years after she was no longer SoS. If someone asked for all my offices emails from 2-3 years ago, it would still take a couple months get them all and get them in some format we could submit them.
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United States13779 Posts
June 01 2016 17:30 GMT
#78399
For all the faults of the Republicans in their partisan investigations, I think we can at the very least agree that this email situation is a genuinely credible allegation of wrongdoing on Hillary's part. Pretty much everyone who works with cyber security can at the very least agree that there is some shitty dealings in the State Dept, and that some of those happened under Hillary's tenure as SoS.
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zlefin
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United States7689 Posts
June 01 2016 17:32 GMT
#78400
we agree it's a credible allegation of wrongdoing; the disagreement is mostly over the severity of it.
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