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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44195 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 03:42:54
June 01 2016 03:35 GMT
#78361
On June 01 2016 10:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 10:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
A federal judge has given the world an unprecedented glimpse into the ruthless business practices Donald Trump used to build his business empire.

US district court judge Gonzalo Curiel on Tuesday made public more than 400 pages of Trump University “playbooks” describing how Trump staff should target prospective students’ weaknesses to encourage them to sign up for a $34,995 Gold Elite three-day package.

Trump University staff were instructed to get people to pile on credit card debt and to target their financial weaknesses in an attempt to sell them the high-priced real estate courses.

The documents contained an undated “personal message” from Trump to new enrollees at the school: “Only doers get rich. I know that in these three packed days, you will learn everything to make a million dollars within the next 12 months.”

The courses are now subject to legal proceedings from unhappy clients.

Judge Curiel released the documents, which are central to a class-action lawsuit against Trump University in California, despite sustaining repeated public attacks from Trump, who had fought to keep the details secret.

Curiel ruled that the documents were in the public interest now that Trump is “the front-runner in the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential race, and has placed the integrity of these court proceedings at issue”.

Trump hit back calling Curiel a “hater”, a “total disgrace” and “biased”. “I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump. A hater. He’s a hater,” Trump said at a rally near the courthouse in San Diego. “His name is Gonzalo Curiel. And he is not doing the right thing ... [He] happens to be, we believe, Mexican.”

Curiel, who is Hispanic, is American and was born in Indiana.

Trump went on to attack Curiel further on Twitter on Monday and at a press conference in New York on Monday.


Source

Holy shit:

Collect personalized information that you can utilize during closing time. (For example: are they a single parent of three children that may need money for food? Or are they a middle-aged commuter that is tired of traveling for 2 hours to work each day?)

And then tell them to put the classes on a credit card. I knew it was bad, but this predatory.

What gets me is that I'm certain Trump, or his team, not only had the means to find out that the guy wasn't in any way Mexican but also that they almost certainly did. However he's aware at this point that if he says the guy is a Mexican who is out to get him then his audience won't fact check that and will actually respond to the truth with hostility because being corrected doesn't make people happy that they know more, it just makes them angry. The cynical contempt with which he views his own electorate is amazing. He just gives them more and more of what they want on the assumption that they're too stupid to know any better.

This election cycle is insane. It's gotten to the point where the two camps are so divided that Trump can openly make shit up about the other side and invent stories about good he is (like his Trump branded stuff when he was accused of only having failed businesses which was literally just stuff from the grocery store that he'd stuck Trump labels on) and have his fan base lap it up.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 01 2016 04:08 GMT
#78362
So Bernie got a big endorsement to counter out Governor Moonbeam. And by big endorsement I mean the dictator of a failed socialist state said he would have won if the election wasn't fixed. Solid distraction on Maduro's part, to distract from his blatant election fraud and how socialism has destroyed their country
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 04:15:27
June 01 2016 04:14 GMT
#78363
Hillary Clinton is 0-for-2016, having failed to hold any full press conferences this year — fueling the perception that she is the most guarded major candidate in recent political history, in stark contrast with presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

Mr. Trump has held at least four full, formal press conferences this year, including one Tuesday, and has fielded questions at length from the flock of reporters covering his campaign on numerous occasions.

Mrs. Clinton took questions from the press traveling with her campaign once, in Minnesota in March, but hasn’t held an organized press conference in six months.
On Tuesday, his question-and-answer session focused on media reports questioning whether he had donated as much money to veterans organizations as he claimed.

Asked by reporters whether they could expect similar tongue-lashings if Mr. Trump wins the presidency in November, the billionaire businessman was quick to answer.

“Yes, it is going to be like this,” he said. “And then we have to read probably libelous stories, or certainly close, in the newspapers and the people know the stories are false, I’m going to continue to attack the press. Look, I find the press to be extremely dishonest. I find the political press to be unbelievably dishonest. I will say that.”

Mrs. Clinton is at the opposite end of the spectrum, and analysts say voters can learn a lot about both candidates from their handling of the media.

“She engages in self-monitoring; he does not. Both play into a broader narrative. She is smart and knowledgeable but is an establishment figure, parses words, is hiding something, is inauthentic, untrustworthy,” Ms. Hall Jamieson said. “He says whatever comes to mind, doesn’t do his homework, is often inconsistent, is factually inaccurate, but what you see is what you get — authentic and someone who will shake up the politics of the status quo.”

Mrs. Clinton held a pseudo press conference in August to discuss the controversy around her private email server, but the event went poorly.

The former secretary of state made a crack about wiping her email server clean “with a cloth or something,” boosting the notion that she wasn’t taking the scandal seriously.

She has apologized repeatedly for using her own email account, though she insists she broke no laws and did not endanger national security.

She held a formal press conference in New Hampshire in September and answered questions from reporters in Iowa in December. The Iowa event generally is considered to be her last press conference, though that, too, can be called into question because it was more of an unannounced question-and-answer session with a handful of reporters rather than a full press conference.

Source
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 01 2016 04:22 GMT
#78364
On June 01 2016 12:35 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 10:41 Plansix wrote:
On June 01 2016 10:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
A federal judge has given the world an unprecedented glimpse into the ruthless business practices Donald Trump used to build his business empire.

US district court judge Gonzalo Curiel on Tuesday made public more than 400 pages of Trump University “playbooks” describing how Trump staff should target prospective students’ weaknesses to encourage them to sign up for a $34,995 Gold Elite three-day package.

Trump University staff were instructed to get people to pile on credit card debt and to target their financial weaknesses in an attempt to sell them the high-priced real estate courses.

The documents contained an undated “personal message” from Trump to new enrollees at the school: “Only doers get rich. I know that in these three packed days, you will learn everything to make a million dollars within the next 12 months.”

The courses are now subject to legal proceedings from unhappy clients.

Judge Curiel released the documents, which are central to a class-action lawsuit against Trump University in California, despite sustaining repeated public attacks from Trump, who had fought to keep the details secret.

Curiel ruled that the documents were in the public interest now that Trump is “the front-runner in the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential race, and has placed the integrity of these court proceedings at issue”.

Trump hit back calling Curiel a “hater”, a “total disgrace” and “biased”. “I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump. A hater. He’s a hater,” Trump said at a rally near the courthouse in San Diego. “His name is Gonzalo Curiel. And he is not doing the right thing ... [He] happens to be, we believe, Mexican.”

Curiel, who is Hispanic, is American and was born in Indiana.

Trump went on to attack Curiel further on Twitter on Monday and at a press conference in New York on Monday.


Source

Holy shit:

Collect personalized information that you can utilize during closing time. (For example: are they a single parent of three children that may need money for food? Or are they a middle-aged commuter that is tired of traveling for 2 hours to work each day?)

And then tell them to put the classes on a credit card. I knew it was bad, but this predatory.

What gets me is that I'm certain Trump, or his team, not only had the means to find out that the guy wasn't in any way Mexican but also that they almost certainly did. However he's aware at this point that if he says the guy is a Mexican who is out to get him then his audience won't fact check that and will actually respond to the truth with hostility because being corrected doesn't make people happy that they know more, it just makes them angry. The cynical contempt with which he views his own electorate is amazing. He just gives them more and more of what they want on the assumption that they're too stupid to know any better.

This election cycle is insane. It's gotten to the point where the two camps are so divided that Trump can openly make shit up about the other side and invent stories about good he is (like his Trump branded stuff when he was accused of only having failed businesses which was literally just stuff from the grocery store that he'd stuck Trump labels on) and have his fan base lap it up.


Pretty much. See my sig.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2016 04:32 GMT
#78365
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 04:40:41
June 01 2016 04:39 GMT
#78366
That look like an email in my office to send over a redacted copy of our secure email server is down. Also the document they are discussing is labeled non classified. Am I missing something?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 01 2016 04:48 GMT
#78367
If thats their main evidence there's no way they indict.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 04:55:27
June 01 2016 04:54 GMT
#78368
SiriusXM satellite radio said Tuesday that it has suspended Glenn Beck's morning show for at least a week and may not bring it back after Beck agreed with a guest who made comments widely interpreted as supporting the assassination of GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump.

"SiriusXM encourages a diversity of discourse and opinion on our talk programs," the company said in a statement.

"However, comments recently made by a guest on the independently produced Glenn Beck Program, in our judgement, may be reasonably construed by some to have been advocating harm against an individual currently running for office, which we cannot and will not condone," it said.

Brad Thor, author of numerous best-selling thrillers — including one titled "Path of the Assassin" — likened Trump to a South American dictator on Beck's show May 25 and said that if Trump were to become president and turn out to be a tyrant, illegal means might be required to remove him from office.

"With the feckless, spineless Congress we have, who will stand in the way of Donald Trump overstepping his constitutional authority as president?" Thor asked in the 15-minute interview, the full audio of which was obtained by NBC News.

"If Congress won't remove him from office, what patriot will step up and do that if he oversteps his mandate as president, his constitutional-granted authority, I should say, as president. If he oversteps that, how do we get him out of office?" Thor continued, adding:

"And I don't think there is a legal means available. I think it will be a terrible, terrible position the American people will be in to get Trump out of office, because you won't be able to do it through Congress."



personally I'd be disappointed if a man named Thor did not call for something like an assasination.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/siriusxm-suspends-glenn-beck-over-guest-s-extreme-comments-about-n583501
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 01 2016 09:35 GMT
#78369
So..can Bernie realistically win the 65% of remaining delegates from primaries to overtake Hillary?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22476 Posts
June 01 2016 11:57 GMT
#78370
On June 01 2016 18:35 LemOn wrote:
So..can Bernie realistically win the 65% of remaining delegates from primaries to overtake Hillary?

No, he lost a long time a ago (After NY)

Doesn't stop the fanboys from dreaming up impossible scenario's tho.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 14:34:47
June 01 2016 14:34 GMT
#78371
On June 01 2016 20:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 18:35 LemOn wrote:
So..can Bernie realistically win the 65% of remaining delegates from primaries to overtake Hillary?

No, he lost a long time a ago (After NY)

Doesn't stop the fanboys from dreaming up impossible scenario's tho.


I'd say he lost when he lost the black vote. If black people liked him, he'd be on his way to presidency right now.
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
June 01 2016 14:34 GMT
#78372
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/737806568201330688


This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 01 2016 14:42 GMT
#78373
On June 01 2016 23:34 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 20:57 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 01 2016 18:35 LemOn wrote:
So..can Bernie realistically win the 65% of remaining delegates from primaries to overtake Hillary?

No, he lost a long time a ago (After NY)

Doesn't stop the fanboys from dreaming up impossible scenario's tho.


I'd say he lost when he lost the black vote. If black people liked him, he'd be on his way to presidency right now.


He lost when people decided memes are more effective than actually voting.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 01 2016 14:53 GMT
#78374
I thought the Bernie subreddit didn't allow memes, and they fought over it when it became apparent that he was going to lose with supporters calling out mods saying that they helped lose the election.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2016 14:54 GMT
#78375
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/737806568201330688


This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
June 01 2016 15:08 GMT
#78376
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/737806568201330688


This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2016 15:15 GMT
#78377
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/737806568201330688


This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 01 2016 15:25 GMT
#78378
So Trump endorsed by Kin Jong Un. The only way this could get better is if he gets endorsed by neo nazis (ohh wait).
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 01 2016 15:38 GMT
#78379
On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/737806568201330688


This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.

And we have come to what really matters. It doesn’t matter if Clinton acted the same as the GOP SoS, it is that the GOP caught her. It’s not about fixing a problem, it’s about winning at all costs.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2016 15:40 GMT
#78380
On June 02 2016 00:38 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:
On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On June 01 2016 13:32 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like the FBI may have an email chain showing that Clinton stripped confidential markings from classified information. Of course, she has already denied doing this.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/737806568201330688


This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person.

I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie.


[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Just jokes k?

Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught.

And we have come to what really matters. It doesn’t matter if Clinton acted the same as the GOP SoS, it is that the GOP caught her. It’s not about fixing a problem, it’s about winning at all costs.

Except she didn't act the same. The Bush SOS's private email servers were always in federal custody.
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