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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:13 m4ini wrote: He's right on Lybia though. Hillaries answer was weak. I got that completely the other way round. Bernie wants democracy in Libya, but doesn't want to support the people against their genocidal dictator. So how does he"support" democracy in Libya? Sure, Libya went horribly wrong. But the initial support was imho completely correct. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:13 GreenHorizons wrote: Put it this way, when did Hillary realize they weren't following up and that it was a mistake? No idea. But do you expect Hillary to know everything about every issue all the time? As a senator, did her constituents push her to do stuff on it? As SoS, she deals with foreign policy. As a person, she has her own pet issues which she wants to work on. This isn't to say she doesn't care about incarceration, it's just not one of her biggest concerns and given that political capital, time and energy is limited, she didn't make as much of a push for it. Of course as president when you run for the whole country, you do have a more comprehensive platform to address issues of all the people in all the places. That's how it goes for both candidates. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24492 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:19 ticklishmusic wrote: No idea. But do you expect Hillary to know everything about every issue all the time? As a senator, did her constituents push her to do stuff on it? As SoS, she deals with foreign policy. As a person, she has her own pet issues which she wants to work on. This isn't to say she doesn't care about incarceration, it's just not one of her biggest concerns and given that political capital, time and energy is limited, she didn't make as much of a push for it. Of course as president when you run for the whole country, you do have a more comprehensive platform to address issues of all the people in all the places. That's how it goes both both candidates. Well it was a big deal for black people (I know they only really matter come election time). Your excuse is fine, but don't try to tell me she gave a shit in 94 or up until it was politically expedient to recognize the epic fail she contributed to. She knew she was being racist, and that the law was going to do much of the damage it helped usher in. Bill knew hey were being racist, and that they weren't going to make sure the "how they get that way" part actually happened. So her "I care about the injustice" crap is just that, crap. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Of course Israel has the right to defend itself. It does on the other hand not have the right to turn Palestine into the biggest concentration camp the world has ever seen. Also, it's not just the Hamas who starts conflicts, it's (illegal) settlers from Israel just as much. It's ridiculous. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:29 oneofthem wrote: lol at m4ini for taking us fp seriously Fixed it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:28 m4ini wrote: What is it with the US and the apologist attitude when it comes to Israel? Of course Israel has the right to defend itself. It does on the other hand not have the right to turn Palestine into the biggest concentration camp the world has ever seen. Also, it's not just the Hamas who starts conflicts, it's (illegal) settlers from Israel just as much. It's ridiculous. As a country we still have a large amount of Organized Religion that we have yet to grow out of thus end of world believers and Israel etc. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
Good lord she is blowing him to pieces. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: As a country we still have a large amount of Organized Religion that we have yet to grow out of thus end of world believers and Israel etc. I have to take your word on that, it's something (religious "reasons") that i can't wrap my head around. I can't believe Bernie is against Obama's nomination. What a disaster. Doesn't support an obligation of the president. .. disaster? He made it clear that he would, if that nominated guy would make a certain point clear. Something that Hillary btw immediately after clarified as well. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:47 Mohdoo wrote: I can't believe Bernie is against Obama's nomination. What a disaster. Doesn't support an obligation of the president. Not really there are other Democrats, I'm sure, that I'm sure that believe he is too close to Wall St etc. EDIT: His nomination that is. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:53 LegalLord wrote: Wow, these moderators keep interrupting after 20 seconds or so. Let them talk for a little longer, for fucks sake. Nah. It's the lady that does, the smurfy one. The others don't quiet down if the candidate just talks over them. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
This is just dumb now. edit: argh, meant to edit, sorry for dp | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24492 Posts
39:09 - Hillary 30:13 - Bernie https://www.graphiq.com/wlp/cukjJkpn109 | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:58 oneofthem wrote: lol watch his support not budge much. cultists will be cultists I have come to the conclusion that Bernie support stems from a few key, hard premises. (1) All powerful/existing institutions are corrupt (Wall Street, Corporations, FedGOV, Democratic party) (2) All money/donations are inherently corrupting (but donations to Bernie aren't) (3) Hillary is corrupted by existing institutions while Bernie isn't (25 years in the Senate with no bills keeps him clean) Hillary supporters keep arguing with Bernie supporters about actual policies, details, costs, benefits, and the tradeoffs needed in a system of checks and balances. These are largely irrelevant from my experience in arguing with Bernie fans. It is all about the corruption inherent in the system. This is plainly ridiculous if you want to use objective measures (see link**), but from the under 30 years old millennial perspective with no exposure to power systems it can make sense. I am an older millennial who works a lot (33) and this whole tear down the system mentality made sense to me at 23. **https://www.transparency.org/country/#USA USA 16/168, rating 74/100 | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:02 GreenHorizons wrote: Yeah because the rational response to children who have been so abused that they have allegedly lost their empathy is to throw them in prison indefinitely while cutting budgets that would give them a shred of hope at being a citizen when they have served their time. I'm sorry but there is just no defending their comments or positions on this. What do you suggest? Let them roam free just because it was someone elses fault they turned to violence? If they are committing crimes, they should be punished to the full extent of the law. I don't care if they're black white asian mexican or klingon, if they are committing crimes they should be locked away, and if they killed someone they should never see the light of day again. Calling it racism to lock them up for murder just because they're black is no better than saying we should let gay people get away with murder because they're a minority, or saying we should let women get away with murder just because they are seen as a minority as well. | ||
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