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Reminds me of a factoid I saw recently that stated that more Republican politicians have been found committing sex crimes in bathrooms than transgendered people.
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On April 14 2016 04:37 farvacola wrote:
Reminds me of a factoid I saw recently that stated that more Republican politicians have been found committing sex crimes in bathrooms than transgendered people.
How else would they know its wrong? Its really just science. By experimenting in bathroom based sex crimes, they are indeed the experts on the topic, and hence their opinions must be valid 
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On April 14 2016 04:33 LegalLord wrote:
Promoters of "Christian values" and hypocrisy go hand-in-hand far too often for any moral failings of Cruz to be a surprise to me.
more like dick in hand amirite
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On April 14 2016 03:21 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2016 03:18 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:08 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:04 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:02 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 02:59 travis wrote:On April 14 2016 02:18 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 01:58 travis wrote:
Good, I am glad he supports alternative medicine. Fuck people who think they know everything, and science doesn't even shut down a lot of what alternative medicine has to offer at the moment. But this is an argument that has been had on this website a thousand times and every time it involves a bunch of people throwing up strawmen and ripping them apart.
Furthermore, what science says doesn't really mean jack shit in the face of results. My sister is a naturopathic doctor and the results she gets from many of her treatments (particularly acupuncture) really make what science says irrelevant, because results are results. Does she have an MD? I don't think so. But you called her a naturopathic doctor? Does she tell people she's a doctor when they come to her with medical complaints? "Naturopathic Doctor" is an official, protected designation in some places. But a ND does not have a MD and yet, apparently, can exploit the huge amount of social capital the MD field has built up over a century of performing actual medicine. If I were to create a new designation and call myself a doctor and then encourage people to pay me for doing the things a doctor does then the fact that when they think doctor they're thinking about someone with a MD, which I don't have, wouldn't handicap me. But it probably should. Hell, at least make them wear badges that say "I don't have a MD". Hmm, I dunno. I think that someone who goes to a ND knows very well what he's doing, because he'll be usually part of one of these categories : either he'll go to a ND as a complement of a EBM-approved treatment, or he'll go to a ND because he hates EBM, hospitals and stuff, and feels that he's doing a "rebellious" act by going the alternative route. Thus in both case the customer knows that he's not going to a regular MD, thus the ND does not exploit the MD's social capital. Now if your ND actually acts as a doctor, or pretends to have formal MD education, or does things that legally belong to the medical profession, then it's another case. He's doing illegal stuff (at least illegal in France, "Unauthorized practice of medicine"), and he's an outlaw as such. I'm actually somewhat tempted to make an appointment with a ND and see now. But I think you underestimate human stupidity. With a white coat, a smart office and telling people you're a doctor I think a lot of people will confuse you with an actual doctor.
Well, she doesn't wear a white coat. Many of her clients are referred by their medical doctors, most others are from word of mouth. I doubt she has ever had a client that didn't know she wasn't a medical doctor.
On April 14 2016 03:23 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
The thing is, doctor is not exclusive to the medical field and the term is not regulated. Just like priest isn't exclusive to Catholics. We have to go way beyond the title itself to see if someone is being deceptive and it is worthy a fraud charge. I highly doubt these ND's have the PHD's required to be called doctors outside of the medical field. I doubt most of them have anything better than a liberal arts B.S or even a high school diploma.
my sister was in school/some kind of internship for 6-7 years
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I am constantly amazed by how much some conservatives care about other peoples genitals.
If i want to insert a 15-inch rubber horse cock into my anus, why does that matter to Ted Cruz? Controlling other peoples sex lives is a pretty weird fetish, and an actually dangerous one since it explicitly involves not getting consent of the other party involved.
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On April 14 2016 04:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:Oh sorry to interrupt but this is too good: Show nested quote +
Though the tendency to laugh at Ted Cruz’s (admittedly laughable) legal efforts to deny Texans the ability to purchase “marital aids” – as they are often called in conservative circles – is an irresistible one, the case in which Cruz’s office compared the use of sex toys with “hiring a willing prostitute or engaging in consensual bigamy” and suggested that there is a state interest in “discouraging prurient interests in autonomous sex and the pursuit of sexual gratification unrelated to procreation” (ie, a government interest in limiting masturbation and sex for pleasure) is no laughing matter.
What you have – besides the basis for a number of deeply satisfying giggle fits on the basis of his asserted hypocrisy – is a presidential candidate running on the platform of being a “constitutional conservative” interested in limited government who, not so long ago, argued before the courts that it was in the government’s interest to limit its citizens’ preferred methods of consensual sexual gratification, and who further argued that the sale of sex toys was akin to pimping.
This was not, let it be said, a simple semantic argument: at issue in the case were women like Joanne Webb, a 43-year-old mother of three children who was prosecuted by the state of Texas because, rather than marketing a vibrator as a funny novelty item no one would ever use, explained to two undercover cops how to use it to enhance their (fake) sex life as a married couple.
But beyond the Cruz connection, it’s interesting to note that the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the randy masses in 2008 by asserting:
An individual who wants to legally use a safe sexual device during private intimate moments alone or with another is unable to legally purchase a device in Texas, which heavily burdens a constitutional right.
That same court ruled in 2015 that Texas’s anti-abortion TRAP laws, designed to reduce the number of clinics at which Texas women can obtain legal abortion services, did not impose enough of an undue burden on enough women to justify throwing out the Texas law. The US supreme court heard arguments in that case in March and is expected to rule later this year.
source: www.theguardian.comAnd the tweet of the century:
I prefer this article because of the action picture of Ted Cruz that's just *begging* to be photoshopped:
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/ted-cruz-dildo-ban-sex-devices-texas
Picture (SFW for now):+ Show Spoiler +
And I fully approve of the double entendre "penal code" used here.
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On April 14 2016 04:49 Simberto wrote:
I am constantly amazed by how much some conservatives care about other peoples genitals.
If i want to insert a 15-inch rubber horse cock into my anus, why does that matter to Ted Cruz? Controlling other peoples sex lives is a pretty weird fetish, and an actually dangerous one since it explicitly involves not getting consent of the other party involved.
I think it's consistent with his views, considering how much of an actual dick Ted Cruz is. After all, there's no substitute for the real thing...
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Wait, holy shit. You can't use dildos in Texas?
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No, you can, the incredibly conservative 5h Circuit ruled the Texas anti-dildo law unconstitutional.
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On April 14 2016 04:49 Simberto wrote:
I am constantly amazed by how much some conservatives care about other peoples genitals.
If i want to insert a 15-inch rubber horse cock into my anus, why does that matter to Ted Cruz?
Because he probably wants the same thing, he just hasn't admitted it yet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
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(Reuters) - Peabody Energy Corp, the world’s largest privately owned coal producer, filed for U.S. bankruptcy protection on Wednesday in the wake of a sharp fall in coal prices that left it unable to service a recent debt-fueled expansion into Australia.
The company listed both assets and liabilities in the range of $10 billion to $50 billion, according to a court filing.
The case is in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, St. Louis, case number 16-42529.
Peabody’s Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing ranks among the largest in the commodities sector since energy and metals prices began to fall in the middle of 2014 as once fast-growing markets such as China and Brazil began to slow.
“This was a difficult decision, but it is the right path forward for Peabody,” Chief Executive Officer Glenn Kellow said in a statement. “This process enables us to strengthen liquidity and reduce debt, build upon the significant operational achievements we’ve made in recent years and lay the foundation for long-term stability and success in the future.”
Peabody has secured $800 million in debtor-in-possession financing from both secured and unsecured creditors, including a $500 million term loan, $200 million bonding accommodation facility and a letter of credit worth $100 million, the company said in release.
Peabody’s debt troubles date back to its $5.1 billion leveraged buyout of Australia’s Macarthur in 2011, a coveted asset at the time meant to position it as a supplier of metallurgical coal for Asian steel mills.
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There'll only be more and more commercial Chapter 11s in the coming years; there are simply too many industries that must reorganize.
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But remember, people, what they want is small government that doesn't interfere with people's rights and lives because freedom and 'murican dream. Getting a healthcare is clearly slavery but government making sure you don't wank is totally legit.
What a clownfest. It's pathetic.
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On April 14 2016 04:44 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2016 03:21 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:18 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:08 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:04 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:02 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 02:59 travis wrote:On April 14 2016 02:18 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 01:58 travis wrote:
Good, I am glad he supports alternative medicine. Fuck people who think they know everything, and science doesn't even shut down a lot of what alternative medicine has to offer at the moment. But this is an argument that has been had on this website a thousand times and every time it involves a bunch of people throwing up strawmen and ripping them apart.
Furthermore, what science says doesn't really mean jack shit in the face of results. My sister is a naturopathic doctor and the results she gets from many of her treatments (particularly acupuncture) really make what science says irrelevant, because results are results. Does she have an MD? I don't think so. But you called her a naturopathic doctor? Does she tell people she's a doctor when they come to her with medical complaints? "Naturopathic Doctor" is an official, protected designation in some places. But a ND does not have a MD and yet, apparently, can exploit the huge amount of social capital the MD field has built up over a century of performing actual medicine. If I were to create a new designation and call myself a doctor and then encourage people to pay me for doing the things a doctor does then the fact that when they think doctor they're thinking about someone with a MD, which I don't have, wouldn't handicap me. But it probably should. Hell, at least make them wear badges that say "I don't have a MD". Hmm, I dunno. I think that someone who goes to a ND knows very well what he's doing, because he'll be usually part of one of these categories : either he'll go to a ND as a complement of a EBM-approved treatment, or he'll go to a ND because he hates EBM, hospitals and stuff, and feels that he's doing a "rebellious" act by going the alternative route. Thus in both case the customer knows that he's not going to a regular MD, thus the ND does not exploit the MD's social capital. Now if your ND actually acts as a doctor, or pretends to have formal MD education, or does things that legally belong to the medical profession, then it's another case. He's doing illegal stuff (at least illegal in France, "Unauthorized practice of medicine"), and he's an outlaw as such. I'm actually somewhat tempted to make an appointment with a ND and see now. But I think you underestimate human stupidity. With a white coat, a smart office and telling people you're a doctor I think a lot of people will confuse you with an actual doctor. Well, she doesn't wear a white coat. Many of her clients are referred by their medical doctors, most others are from word of mouth. I doubt she has ever had a client that didn't know she wasn't a medical doctor. Show nested quote +On April 14 2016 03:23 hunts wrote:On April 14 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
The thing is, doctor is not exclusive to the medical field and the term is not regulated. Just like priest isn't exclusive to Catholics. We have to go way beyond the title itself to see if someone is being deceptive and it is worthy a fraud charge. I highly doubt these ND's have the PHD's required to be called doctors outside of the medical field. I doubt most of them have anything better than a liberal arts B.S or even a high school diploma. my sister was in school/some kind of internship for 6-7 years
Glad to hear that but certainly you understand that not everyone will act like that and there will be plenty of ND's who are perfectly fine with pretending to be actual doctors (short of saying they are because that is illegal).
Same deal as Dieticians and Nutritionists. Plenty of the latter mean well but there are also plenty who want to make easy money off of people who don;t know better.
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On April 14 2016 04:56 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2016 04:49 Simberto wrote:
I am constantly amazed by how much some conservatives care about other peoples genitals.
If i want to insert a 15-inch rubber horse cock into my anus, why does that matter to Ted Cruz? Because he probably wants the same thing, he just hasn't admitted it yet. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
I believe I remember Freud making a link between the homophobia of some institutions (church, army, sport teams) and their obvious latent homosexual culture. Might be someone else. Macho and homophobic people are almost always obviously repressed gays.
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On April 14 2016 05:03 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2016 04:44 travis wrote:On April 14 2016 03:21 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:18 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:08 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:04 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:02 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 02:59 travis wrote:On April 14 2016 02:18 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 01:58 travis wrote:
Good, I am glad he supports alternative medicine. Fuck people who think they know everything, and science doesn't even shut down a lot of what alternative medicine has to offer at the moment. But this is an argument that has been had on this website a thousand times and every time it involves a bunch of people throwing up strawmen and ripping them apart.
Furthermore, what science says doesn't really mean jack shit in the face of results. My sister is a naturopathic doctor and the results she gets from many of her treatments (particularly acupuncture) really make what science says irrelevant, because results are results. Does she have an MD? I don't think so. But you called her a naturopathic doctor? Does she tell people she's a doctor when they come to her with medical complaints? "Naturopathic Doctor" is an official, protected designation in some places. But a ND does not have a MD and yet, apparently, can exploit the huge amount of social capital the MD field has built up over a century of performing actual medicine. If I were to create a new designation and call myself a doctor and then encourage people to pay me for doing the things a doctor does then the fact that when they think doctor they're thinking about someone with a MD, which I don't have, wouldn't handicap me. But it probably should. Hell, at least make them wear badges that say "I don't have a MD". Hmm, I dunno. I think that someone who goes to a ND knows very well what he's doing, because he'll be usually part of one of these categories : either he'll go to a ND as a complement of a EBM-approved treatment, or he'll go to a ND because he hates EBM, hospitals and stuff, and feels that he's doing a "rebellious" act by going the alternative route. Thus in both case the customer knows that he's not going to a regular MD, thus the ND does not exploit the MD's social capital. Now if your ND actually acts as a doctor, or pretends to have formal MD education, or does things that legally belong to the medical profession, then it's another case. He's doing illegal stuff (at least illegal in France, "Unauthorized practice of medicine"), and he's an outlaw as such. I'm actually somewhat tempted to make an appointment with a ND and see now. But I think you underestimate human stupidity. With a white coat, a smart office and telling people you're a doctor I think a lot of people will confuse you with an actual doctor. Well, she doesn't wear a white coat. Many of her clients are referred by their medical doctors, most others are from word of mouth. I doubt she has ever had a client that didn't know she wasn't a medical doctor. On April 14 2016 03:23 hunts wrote:On April 14 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
The thing is, doctor is not exclusive to the medical field and the term is not regulated. Just like priest isn't exclusive to Catholics. We have to go way beyond the title itself to see if someone is being deceptive and it is worthy a fraud charge. I highly doubt these ND's have the PHD's required to be called doctors outside of the medical field. I doubt most of them have anything better than a liberal arts B.S or even a high school diploma. my sister was in school/some kind of internship for 6-7 years Glad to hear that but certainly you understand that not everyone will act like that and there will be plenty of ND's who are perfectly fine with pretending to be actual doctors (short of saying they are because that is illegal). Same deal as Dieticians and Nutritionists. Plenty of the latter mean well but there are also plenty who want to make easy money off of people who don;t know better.
Well to be fair there are also legit MDs who are just here to make money off dumb people^^ but yeah, a profession is what its member make it out to be
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On April 14 2016 05:03 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2016 04:44 travis wrote:On April 14 2016 03:21 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:18 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:08 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:04 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:02 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 02:59 travis wrote:On April 14 2016 02:18 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 01:58 travis wrote:
Good, I am glad he supports alternative medicine. Fuck people who think they know everything, and science doesn't even shut down a lot of what alternative medicine has to offer at the moment. But this is an argument that has been had on this website a thousand times and every time it involves a bunch of people throwing up strawmen and ripping them apart.
Furthermore, what science says doesn't really mean jack shit in the face of results. My sister is a naturopathic doctor and the results she gets from many of her treatments (particularly acupuncture) really make what science says irrelevant, because results are results. Does she have an MD? I don't think so. But you called her a naturopathic doctor? Does she tell people she's a doctor when they come to her with medical complaints? "Naturopathic Doctor" is an official, protected designation in some places. But a ND does not have a MD and yet, apparently, can exploit the huge amount of social capital the MD field has built up over a century of performing actual medicine. If I were to create a new designation and call myself a doctor and then encourage people to pay me for doing the things a doctor does then the fact that when they think doctor they're thinking about someone with a MD, which I don't have, wouldn't handicap me. But it probably should. Hell, at least make them wear badges that say "I don't have a MD". Hmm, I dunno. I think that someone who goes to a ND knows very well what he's doing, because he'll be usually part of one of these categories : either he'll go to a ND as a complement of a EBM-approved treatment, or he'll go to a ND because he hates EBM, hospitals and stuff, and feels that he's doing a "rebellious" act by going the alternative route. Thus in both case the customer knows that he's not going to a regular MD, thus the ND does not exploit the MD's social capital. Now if your ND actually acts as a doctor, or pretends to have formal MD education, or does things that legally belong to the medical profession, then it's another case. He's doing illegal stuff (at least illegal in France, "Unauthorized practice of medicine"), and he's an outlaw as such. I'm actually somewhat tempted to make an appointment with a ND and see now. But I think you underestimate human stupidity. With a white coat, a smart office and telling people you're a doctor I think a lot of people will confuse you with an actual doctor. Well, she doesn't wear a white coat. Many of her clients are referred by their medical doctors, most others are from word of mouth. I doubt she has ever had a client that didn't know she wasn't a medical doctor. On April 14 2016 03:23 hunts wrote:On April 14 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
The thing is, doctor is not exclusive to the medical field and the term is not regulated. Just like priest isn't exclusive to Catholics. We have to go way beyond the title itself to see if someone is being deceptive and it is worthy a fraud charge. I highly doubt these ND's have the PHD's required to be called doctors outside of the medical field. I doubt most of them have anything better than a liberal arts B.S or even a high school diploma. my sister was in school/some kind of internship for 6-7 years Glad to hear that but certainly you understand that not everyone will act like that and there will be plenty of ND's who are perfectly fine with pretending to be actual doctors (short of saying they are because that is illegal). Same deal as Dieticians and Nutritionists. Plenty of the latter mean well but there are also plenty who want to make easy money off of people who don;t know better.
I fail to see how any of that is an issue, though. There are dirt bag attorneys with real law degrees who can practice law. And those people can ruin lives just as quickly. Even when Doctors are accredited and licensed, that doesn't mean I'm going to get good medical treatment. Or that they are not going to bill my insurance company into the ground just because they can.
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On April 14 2016 05:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2016 05:03 Gorsameth wrote:On April 14 2016 04:44 travis wrote:On April 14 2016 03:21 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:18 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:08 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:04 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:02 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 02:59 travis wrote:On April 14 2016 02:18 KwarK wrote:
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Does she have an MD? I don't think so. But you called her a naturopathic doctor? Does she tell people she's a doctor when they come to her with medical complaints? "Naturopathic Doctor" is an official, protected designation in some places. But a ND does not have a MD and yet, apparently, can exploit the huge amount of social capital the MD field has built up over a century of performing actual medicine. If I were to create a new designation and call myself a doctor and then encourage people to pay me for doing the things a doctor does then the fact that when they think doctor they're thinking about someone with a MD, which I don't have, wouldn't handicap me. But it probably should. Hell, at least make them wear badges that say "I don't have a MD". Hmm, I dunno. I think that someone who goes to a ND knows very well what he's doing, because he'll be usually part of one of these categories : either he'll go to a ND as a complement of a EBM-approved treatment, or he'll go to a ND because he hates EBM, hospitals and stuff, and feels that he's doing a "rebellious" act by going the alternative route. Thus in both case the customer knows that he's not going to a regular MD, thus the ND does not exploit the MD's social capital. Now if your ND actually acts as a doctor, or pretends to have formal MD education, or does things that legally belong to the medical profession, then it's another case. He's doing illegal stuff (at least illegal in France, "Unauthorized practice of medicine"), and he's an outlaw as such. I'm actually somewhat tempted to make an appointment with a ND and see now. But I think you underestimate human stupidity. With a white coat, a smart office and telling people you're a doctor I think a lot of people will confuse you with an actual doctor. Well, she doesn't wear a white coat. Many of her clients are referred by their medical doctors, most others are from word of mouth. I doubt she has ever had a client that didn't know she wasn't a medical doctor. On April 14 2016 03:23 hunts wrote:On April 14 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
The thing is, doctor is not exclusive to the medical field and the term is not regulated. Just like priest isn't exclusive to Catholics. We have to go way beyond the title itself to see if someone is being deceptive and it is worthy a fraud charge. I highly doubt these ND's have the PHD's required to be called doctors outside of the medical field. I doubt most of them have anything better than a liberal arts B.S or even a high school diploma. my sister was in school/some kind of internship for 6-7 years Glad to hear that but certainly you understand that not everyone will act like that and there will be plenty of ND's who are perfectly fine with pretending to be actual doctors (short of saying they are because that is illegal). Same deal as Dieticians and Nutritionists. Plenty of the latter mean well but there are also plenty who want to make easy money off of people who don;t know better. I fail to see how any of that is an issue, though. There are dirt bag attorneys with real law degrees who can practice law. And those people can ruin lives just as quickly. Even when Doctors are accredited and licensed, that doesn't mean I'm going to get good medical treatment. Or that they are not going to bill my insurance company into the ground just because they can.
Again, this is the "if there is no perfect standard then how can there be any standard at all?!" defence. It doesn't hold up and it never will.
The fact that some teachers are shitty teachers does not mean I have a right to open my own private school, tell people I'll teach them useful things that will help them with their employment problems and then jerk them around. If I made a for profit school that existed only to defraud the vulnerable I'd be shut down.
Stop trying to use that defence, or at least be consistent and advocate that the existence of death makes all healthcare ultimately futile.
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On April 14 2016 04:53 farvacola wrote:
No, you can, the incredibly conservative 5h Circuit ruled the Texas anti-dildo law unconstitutional.
I feel like a conservative law against dildos would have the same rationale as Bernie decades ago saying having sex prevents cancer. Could this be another example of horseshoe theory at work? 
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On April 14 2016 05:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2016 05:09 Plansix wrote:On April 14 2016 05:03 Gorsameth wrote:On April 14 2016 04:44 travis wrote:On April 14 2016 03:21 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:18 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:08 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 03:04 OtherWorld wrote:On April 14 2016 03:02 KwarK wrote:On April 14 2016 02:59 travis wrote:
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I don't think so. But you called her a naturopathic doctor? Does she tell people she's a doctor when they come to her with medical complaints? "Naturopathic Doctor" is an official, protected designation in some places. But a ND does not have a MD and yet, apparently, can exploit the huge amount of social capital the MD field has built up over a century of performing actual medicine. If I were to create a new designation and call myself a doctor and then encourage people to pay me for doing the things a doctor does then the fact that when they think doctor they're thinking about someone with a MD, which I don't have, wouldn't handicap me. But it probably should. Hell, at least make them wear badges that say "I don't have a MD". Hmm, I dunno. I think that someone who goes to a ND knows very well what he's doing, because he'll be usually part of one of these categories : either he'll go to a ND as a complement of a EBM-approved treatment, or he'll go to a ND because he hates EBM, hospitals and stuff, and feels that he's doing a "rebellious" act by going the alternative route. Thus in both case the customer knows that he's not going to a regular MD, thus the ND does not exploit the MD's social capital. Now if your ND actually acts as a doctor, or pretends to have formal MD education, or does things that legally belong to the medical profession, then it's another case. He's doing illegal stuff (at least illegal in France, "Unauthorized practice of medicine"), and he's an outlaw as such. I'm actually somewhat tempted to make an appointment with a ND and see now. But I think you underestimate human stupidity. With a white coat, a smart office and telling people you're a doctor I think a lot of people will confuse you with an actual doctor. Well, she doesn't wear a white coat. Many of her clients are referred by their medical doctors, most others are from word of mouth. I doubt she has ever had a client that didn't know she wasn't a medical doctor. On April 14 2016 03:23 hunts wrote:On April 14 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
The thing is, doctor is not exclusive to the medical field and the term is not regulated. Just like priest isn't exclusive to Catholics. We have to go way beyond the title itself to see if someone is being deceptive and it is worthy a fraud charge. I highly doubt these ND's have the PHD's required to be called doctors outside of the medical field. I doubt most of them have anything better than a liberal arts B.S or even a high school diploma. my sister was in school/some kind of internship for 6-7 years Glad to hear that but certainly you understand that not everyone will act like that and there will be plenty of ND's who are perfectly fine with pretending to be actual doctors (short of saying they are because that is illegal). Same deal as Dieticians and Nutritionists. Plenty of the latter mean well but there are also plenty who want to make easy money off of people who don;t know better. I fail to see how any of that is an issue, though. There are dirt bag attorneys with real law degrees who can practice law. And those people can ruin lives just as quickly. Even when Doctors are accredited and licensed, that doesn't mean I'm going to get good medical treatment. Or that they are not going to bill my insurance company into the ground just because they can. Again, this is the "if there is no perfect standard then how can there be any standard at all?!" defence. It doesn't hold up and it never will. The fact that some teachers are shitty teachers does not mean I have a right to open my own private school, tell people I'll teach them useful things that will help them with their employment problems and then jerk them around. If I made a for profit school that existed only to defraud the vulnerable I'd be shut down. Stop trying to use that defence, or at least be consistent and advocate that the existence of death makes all healthcare ultimately futile.
Expect you have provided zero evidence to prove these people are frauds. You just assume they are. And it is not like there are not venues for people to seek relief if there are frauds or people doing harm. You seem to want to regulate something without any real evidence it is a problem.
So please, prove there is a problem that needs to be solved beyond your own personal biases against the practice.
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