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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
April 08 2016 20:05 GMT
#71501
On April 09 2016 04:49 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 04:47 kwizach wrote:
On April 09 2016 04:39 LegalLord wrote:
Dem party is almost as fucked as the Republican one when it comes to quality presidential candidates. I could see they were in trouble when the DNC last year was a wash when it came to promoting good future candidates.

It depends on what you mean by "quality presidential candidates". Personally, I consider a quality presidential candidate someone's who's competent, knowledgeable, experienced, and is the closest match between aligning with my views as much as possible and being sufficiently electable to win the election. Hillary fits the bill perfectly.

If Hillary were fighting against a genuinely strong Republican challenger she would have a lot of trouble winning, and she most certainly will breed resentment that won't help in the midterm elections. Some other, stronger, candidate might have had a better chance at remedying that.

That was my point -- the criteria I value the most for my ideal "quality candidate" relate to substance first and foremost, as long as that person can be elected (which is certainly the case of Hillary this election). I don't see a reason to assert that she will do more damage to the Democrats' chances in the midterms than anyone else would.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
April 08 2016 20:11 GMT
#71502
All of this "damage to the party" rhetoric being flung by both candidates' supporters is rather unproductive and it feeds directly into the very thing it is meant to signify.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 08 2016 20:23 GMT
#71503
Apple and the US Justice Department are headed back to court over a locked iPhone. And once again, both sides are accusing the other of being duplicitous.

This time, the US government is pushing a federal court in New York to force Apple to unlock a drug dealer’s device even after the man pleaded guilty. A federal magistrate has previously turned down that request, but the government counters that, in this case, Apple has the technical means to help, and should be compelled to do so.

On Friday, Apple accused the government of trying to have it both ways. In March, the Justice Department abandoned its iPhone unlocking case in San Bernardino, California, after it said it found a way to hack into the device without Apple’s help. The government has since offered almost no details on the technique and now argues that only Apple can help it get inside a locked phone. In a call with reporters, an Apple attorney said the company would try to use the new legal fight to force the government to reveal its phone-hacking technique.

The renewed legal fight comes as draft legislation that would effectively criminalize strong encryption met with fervent condemnation by privacy and cybersecurity experts, including a leading US senator on the intelligence committee from which the legislation will emerge. The bill, if passed, would force companies to find ways to provide user data to authorities in spite of any security measures on their products.

On Friday, the Justice Department filed notice in the eastern district of New York that it would fight on the drug case, telling the judge, Margo Brodie, that it “continues to require Apple’s assistance in accessing the data that it is authorized to search by warrant”.

The New York case isn’t as headline-grabbing as the San Bernardino matter, which involved a major act of terrorism and the US government ordering a company to modify one of its products.

Rather, Apple and the government are fighting about a phone linked to a routine drug case and Apple acknowledges that, on a technical level, it could easily unlock the device. It doesn’t want to, because it wants to stop serving as a locksmith when investigators can’t get inside a suspect’s phone.


Source
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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
April 08 2016 20:31 GMT
#71504
On April 09 2016 04:09 Yoav wrote:
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On April 09 2016 03:32 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Bernie has this Communist mindset that the Republicans are deluded about what they believe by monied interests. Republicans really do believe in limited government (when it helps people that don't look like Republicans). Yeah, some of it is being tricked by the Donor Class, but not all of it.


This is kind of an outdated debate. Le Donald has proven that about 35% of GOP voters don't give a shit about conservative ideas or limited government or any of that and are just going to sign on to the most authoritarian, nativist (and maybe a little racist) party/candidate. That's a significant chunk (more than most Republicans used to admit), but not a majority (less than Dems like to think). The other two thirds are basically evenly divided among the Huckabee crowd and the Romney crowd, both ideological but in differing ways.


Yes, I agree with your breakdown of the Republican party: Trumpkin authoritarians, Huckabee Christians, and Romney businessmen. My point in light of that breakdown would be: who does Bernie think he is going to flip with his revolution? Trumpkin authoritarians know Bernie isn't part of their culture of intolerance. The Huckabee Christians know Bernie is at least a closet Athiest, perhaps something worse. Romney businessmen have made their identities out of opposing social-democracy.

Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 20:39:35
April 08 2016 20:34 GMT
#71505
Unsubstantiated claims about what the NY turnout will look like earns you a Sanders in a Soviet Union sauna party pic:



As for delegates, the real question is when the GOP race will be decided. I'd hate to say June 7th when the final 300 delegates are awarded. So I'd say Trump losing NY (unlikely) might do it, or getting shut out in Colorado and Indiana (latter is on May 3rd). Albeit even then if Trump gets ALL uncommitted delegates, he still has a shot. And landslides in NY and California might also help him get back on track.

Edit: Just to reply to the post above. Actually, Sanders shares a large part of the message of Trump. As Trump takes on a large part of the more liberal wing of the GOP, I can imagine Sanders getting their support. (Trump, ofc, will be gone by this time.) There are a number of topics they can claim as common ground: anti-trade, anti-immigration, anti-wall street, focus on domestic policy i.e., FP isolationism (also not pro Israel etc). The GOP voters will of course be very suspicious of someone from the Dem side, but that's the best best.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 08 2016 20:42 GMT
#71506
cruz would get so rekt in ny. trump's real problem is california.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 20:48:38
April 08 2016 20:43 GMT
#71507
On April 09 2016 05:31 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 04:09 Yoav wrote:
On April 09 2016 03:32 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Bernie has this Communist mindset that the Republicans are deluded about what they believe by monied interests. Republicans really do believe in limited government (when it helps people that don't look like Republicans). Yeah, some of it is being tricked by the Donor Class, but not all of it.


This is kind of an outdated debate. Le Donald has proven that about 35% of GOP voters don't give a shit about conservative ideas or limited government or any of that and are just going to sign on to the most authoritarian, nativist (and maybe a little racist) party/candidate. That's a significant chunk (more than most Republicans used to admit), but not a majority (less than Dems like to think). The other two thirds are basically evenly divided among the Huckabee crowd and the Romney crowd, both ideological but in differing ways.


Yes, I agree with your breakdown of the Republican party: Trumpkin authoritarians, Huckabee Christians, and Romney businessmen. My point in light of that breakdown would be: who does Bernie think he is going to flip with his revolution? Trumpkin authoritarians know Bernie isn't part of their culture of intolerance. The Huckabee Christians know Bernie is at least a closet Athiest, perhaps something worse. Romney businessmen have made their identities out of opposing social-democracy.



The young people who don't feel like they fit into any of those groups (Libertarians are in there somewhere). Sure on some stuff, but the common thread through all of them is they all have a position that young people don't like. Gay marriage, women's rights, xenophobia, part of the establishment, etc...

It's not asking about voters, but I'm not sure this group on TL reflects very well just how out of touch with people under 30 Republicans really are.

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Edit: Unsubstantiated? You saw the picture in NH? The lines in so many states? I think it's on you to tell me why NY will be the exception and won't have a larger turnout.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 08 2016 20:44 GMT
#71508
Cruz lost NY when he did the whole New York values stunt during the debates. Not only did everyone know what it meant he tried to bury it by saying it meant something else.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
April 08 2016 20:45 GMT
#71509
The GOP race, as it increasingly appears to pan out, will not be decided until the convention.

With the stance Sanders has taken over the past week, neither will the Democratic race (despite it likely being over long before that).
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
April 08 2016 20:47 GMT
#71510
On April 09 2016 05:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
Unsubstantiated claims about what the NY turnout will look like earns you a Sanders in a Soviet Union sauna party pic:

https://twitter.com/aavst/status/718506654703161344

As for delegates, the real question is when the GOP race will be decided. I'd hate to say June 7th when the final 300 delegates are awarded. So I'd say Trump losing NY (unlikely) might do it, or getting shut out in Colorado and Indiana (latter is on May 3rd). Albeit even then if Trump gets ALL uncommitted delegates, he still has a shot. And landslides in NY and California might also help him get back on track.

Edit: Just to reply to the post above. Actually, Sanders shares a large part of the message of Trump. As Trump takes on a large part of the more liberal wing of the GOP, I can imagine Sanders getting their support. (Trump, ofc, will be gone by this time.) There are a number of topics they can claim as common ground: anti-trade, anti-immigration, anti-wall street, focus on domestic policy i.e., FP isolationism (also not pro Israel etc). The GOP voters will of course be very suspicious of someone from the Dem side, but that's the best best.

Sanders is not anti-immigration.....at all?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 20:49:56
April 08 2016 20:49 GMT
#71511
I'm pretty sure having read that Sanders supported some really controversial deportation bill a few years back. His protectionist economic policy is anti-immigrant, at least implicitly.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 08 2016 20:49 GMT
#71512
he understands immigration as labor competition
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 20:52:11
April 08 2016 20:51 GMT
#71513
On April 09 2016 05:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Cruz lost NY when he did the whole New York values stunt during the debates. Not only did everyone know what it meant he tried to bury it by saying it meant something else.


I know that was a gigantic gaffe, but for the US, I've become very suspicious of claims that event X influenced the race. 538 has been pretty ok at predicting the race based on demographics alone and those had Cruz at 6 delegates in NY which still looks likely. So a lot of these events, like birdie sanders as the best known one, just seem like justifications for people acting exactly as they would have otherwise.

Edit: Yeah, as was said, anti-immigration policies to protect labour union workers.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 20:54:14
April 08 2016 20:51 GMT
#71514
You all need to actually read his platform and stop listening to parrots like oneofthem.

+ Show Spoiler +
Expand DACA and DAPA – As President, Senator Sanders will expand President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program and the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) to provide broad administrative relief to the parents of DREAMers, the parents of citizens, the parents of legal permanent residents, and other immigrants who would have been given legal protections by the 2013 Senate-passed immigration bill.
This would allow all undocumented people who have been in the United States for at least five years to stay in the country without fear of being deported. This broad administrative relief is well within the President’s executive authority.

Over 85% of the nation’s aspiring Americans have resided in the United States for at least five years.

Under this plan, close to nine million individuals would be able to apply for deferred action.

Protect Immigrant Workers Exercising their Rights. Legislatively, a Sanders Administration would establish a whistleblower visa for workers reporting labor violations. Administratively, Senator Sanders would establish an affirmative process for these individuals to request deferred action. Many employers regularly abuse immigrant workers knowing employees will not hold them accountable for fear of deportation.

Provide Permanent Immigration Relief to Families. As President, Senator Sanders would expand the Administration’s parole-in-place policies to include undocumented relatives of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents and also provide deferred action for relatives who came to the U.S. on a visa but fell out of status. Today, this policy is only available to current and aspiring service members and their families. Expanding parole-in-place would eliminate the barriers that prevent certain relatives of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents from obtaining lawful permanent resident status (or a “green card”) under federal law.

Decouple Local Law Enforcement from Immigration Enforcement. In too many instances, deportation programs like the Priority Enforcement Program (PEP), the 287(g) program, and the Criminal Alien Program have unjustly turned local law enforcement officials into immigration officers. Racial profiling and the criminalization of communities of color form the foundation of these deportation programs which will be eliminated under a Sanders Administration. As President, Senator Sanders will implement the recommendations of President Obama’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing to “decouple federal immigration enforcement from routine local policing.”

Employ Humanitarian Parole to Reunite Families. As President, Senator Sanders will expand the use of humanitarian parole to ensure the return of unjustly deported immigrants. The United States must do the right thing and guarantee the swiftest possible reunification of these broken families.

Promote Cooperation Between Immigrants and Local Law Enforcement. Senator Sanders wholeheartedly rejects the “The Great Sanctuary City Slander” as the politics of fear, and supports enacting community trust policies. These policies will strengthen relationships between community members and local law enforcement, respect the constitutional rights of immigrants, and reflect the will of a locally elected electorate.

Expand Access to Counsel for Immigrants. Based on the constitutionally enshrined principle of habeas corpus, a Sanders Administration will increase access to legal counsel for detained immigrants. This expansion is critical in light of instances where ICE coerced large numbers of immigrants to sign their own deportation order. A Sanders Administration will vigorously implement the protection against coerced or “unwitting deportation” established as part of Padilla v Kentucky (2010).

Properly Fund Our Nation’s Immigration Courts. To ensure that our immigration system respects constitutional protections, as President Senator Sanders will work with Congress to provide additional funding and immigration judges to the Executive Office for Immigration Review and restore discretion to judges and allow them to consider the unique circumstances of an individual’s case.

Close Loopholes that Allow Racial Profiling by Federal Authorities. Senator Sanders will fight to end racial profiling. Immigrants should never face deportation as a result of racial or ethnic profiling. A Sanders Administration will work to revise the U.S. Department of Justice’s Guidance Regarding the Use of Race by Federal Law Enforcement Agencies. Under the current guidance, the Department of Justice carved out significant exceptions for federal law enforcement agencies like the FBI, TSA and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to profile racial, religious, and other minorities at or in the vicinity of the border. Furthermore, the Guidance does not apply to most state and local law enforcement agencies.

DETENTION
End For-Profit Detention. As President, Senator Sanders will fight to end federal, state and municipal contracts with for-profit private prisons within two years. Termination of these contracts will eliminate the incentive for the private prison industry to support punitive, over-inclusive laws that lead to the detention of 34,000 immigrants on any given day. A Sanders Administration will also work with Congress to enact the Justice is Not for Sale Act, which would reinstate a federal parole program that will include immigrants.

End Family Detention. As President, Senator Sanders will end family detention. He will work to ensure that detention centers do not hold families and adhere to the letter and spirit of the Flores Order. The detention of families, most of which come to our country seeking protection under our laws, is an affront to the values our nation was founded upon.

Propose Budgets with Smart, Targeted Enforcement. Senator Sanders will demand Congress defund the detention bed quota. Detention should be based on actual need and not arbitrary numbers set by Congress. At the other end of the deportation pipeline, Senator Sanders will, like President Obama, request Congress defund the Department of Justice’s State Criminal Alien Assistance Program.
Make Detention Practices Accountable. In the narrow, rare circumstances where detention may continue, a Sanders Administration will significantly improve conditions inside detention facilities, especially for vulnerable populations including pregnant women, LGBT individuals, and detainees with disabilities. Moreover, a Sanders Administration will immediately address the racial bias on display in the disproportionate detention of Mexican nationals. This deplorable reality bears witness to bias displayed at both the arrest stage and then again when making custody determinations.

Alternatives to Detention. A Sanders Administration will promote alternatives to detention, which can cost as little as 70 cents a day. The use of these substitutes to detention would allow thousands of non-violent immigrant detainees to reunite with their families as they wait for their day in court.
Guarantee Due Process and Bond Hearings. As president, Senator Sanders will ensure that immigrants have their day in court, including bond hearings and access to due process protections.

2. ELEVEN MILLION NEW AMERICANS
Senator Sanders will make a path to citizenship for the undocumented population the building block of a new humane immigration system and not as a pretext to ramp up enforcement that separates families. Recognizing the difficult path to legislate a comprehensive solution to our nation’s outdated immigration system, Senator Sanders will lead a political revolution that mobilizes millions of Americans, particularly Latinos and immigrants, to ensure that Congress acts on what the majority of Americans demand – a comprehensive and humane immigration reform policy.

Establish Broad Eligibility for Relief. Senator Sanders will work to ensure that the roadmap to citizenship is inclusive, particularly for women and does not contain arbitrary cut off eligibility dates and application periods. Such dates risk excluding hundreds of thousands of people that have arrived in the United States “too late” but have become part of the American fabric. Moreover, in light of our nation’s deep-rooted belief in rehabilitation and acknowledgement of the criminalization of communities of color, the roadmap to citizenship must allow non-violent individuals with prior contacts with our criminal justice system to apply for relief. For example, non-violent immigration-related offenses should not automatically disqualify a worker or their family from obtaining immigration relief. Old convictions like those that led to the deportation of an Iowa City pastor, should not disqualify individuals from the roadmap to citizenship.
Establish a Reasonable and Fair Wait for Citizenship. Future legislation must contain a roadmap to citizenship that allows aspiring Americans to become lawful permanent residents and become citizens within five years. The registered provisional immigrant status in the 2013 Senate immigration bill was a compromise that delayed eligibility for citizenship and created additional, unnecessary bureaucracy.
Minimize Financial Penalties and Fees. As DACA has demonstrated, monetary costs often represents the greatest obstacle for eligible individuals to come forward and apply for immigration relief. Immigrants will already have to pay thousands of dollars in regular administrative fees to apply for permanent administrative relief. Future immigration reform should not add onerous fines on top of those administrative fees. Consequently, Senator Sanders will work to ensure that the financial penalties in a roadmap to citizenship are fair.

End the Three-Year, Ten-Year, and Permanent Bars. A Sanders Administration will work with Congress to end the lengthy, forced and prolonged exit from the country that many immigrants endure when trying to leave the country to adjust their status by rescinding the three-year, ten-year and permanent bars.
Provide Expansive Relief to DREAMers. Future legislation must immediately declare DREAMers eligible to serve in the uniformed services, receive financial aid, and become eligible for in-state tuition if they meet a state’s residency requirements. Additionally, future immigration reform should provide expeditious citizenship to DREAMers.


Link

For someone who so routinely chides others for not doing their research, you sure sound ignorant of the topic you're discussing, Ghan. The notion that Trump supporters would be behind any of the above policy points is laughably stupid.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 08 2016 20:55 GMT
#71515
Instead of calling me a parrot, how about you actually look at what GOP voters are saying on the issue:

[image loading]
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 08 2016 20:55 GMT
#71516
On April 09 2016 05:51 farvacola wrote:
You all need to actually read his platform and stop listening to parrots like oneofthem.

Show nested quote +
+ Show Spoiler +
Expand DACA and DAPA – As President, Senator Sanders will expand President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program and the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) to provide broad administrative relief to the parents of DREAMers, the parents of citizens, the parents of legal permanent residents, and other immigrants who would have been given legal protections by the 2013 Senate-passed immigration bill.
This would allow all undocumented people who have been in the United States for at least five years to stay in the country without fear of being deported. This broad administrative relief is well within the President’s executive authority.

Over 85% of the nation’s aspiring Americans have resided in the United States for at least five years.

Under this plan, close to nine million individuals would be able to apply for deferred action.

Protect Immigrant Workers Exercising their Rights. Legislatively, a Sanders Administration would establish a whistleblower visa for workers reporting labor violations. Administratively, Senator Sanders would establish an affirmative process for these individuals to request deferred action. Many employers regularly abuse immigrant workers knowing employees will not hold them accountable for fear of deportation.

Provide Permanent Immigration Relief to Families. As President, Senator Sanders would expand the Administration’s parole-in-place policies to include undocumented relatives of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents and also provide deferred action for relatives who came to the U.S. on a visa but fell out of status. Today, this policy is only available to current and aspiring service members and their families. Expanding parole-in-place would eliminate the barriers that prevent certain relatives of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents from obtaining lawful permanent resident status (or a “green card”) under federal law.

Decouple Local Law Enforcement from Immigration Enforcement. In too many instances, deportation programs like the Priority Enforcement Program (PEP), the 287(g) program, and the Criminal Alien Program have unjustly turned local law enforcement officials into immigration officers. Racial profiling and the criminalization of communities of color form the foundation of these deportation programs which will be eliminated under a Sanders Administration. As President, Senator Sanders will implement the recommendations of President Obama’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing to “decouple federal immigration enforcement from routine local policing.”

Employ Humanitarian Parole to Reunite Families. As President, Senator Sanders will expand the use of humanitarian parole to ensure the return of unjustly deported immigrants. The United States must do the right thing and guarantee the swiftest possible reunification of these broken families.

Promote Cooperation Between Immigrants and Local Law Enforcement. Senator Sanders wholeheartedly rejects the “The Great Sanctuary City Slander” as the politics of fear, and supports enacting community trust policies. These policies will strengthen relationships between community members and local law enforcement, respect the constitutional rights of immigrants, and reflect the will of a locally elected electorate.

Expand Access to Counsel for Immigrants. Based on the constitutionally enshrined principle of habeas corpus, a Sanders Administration will increase access to legal counsel for detained immigrants. This expansion is critical in light of instances where ICE coerced large numbers of immigrants to sign their own deportation order. A Sanders Administration will vigorously implement the protection against coerced or “unwitting deportation” established as part of Padilla v Kentucky (2010).

Properly Fund Our Nation’s Immigration Courts. To ensure that our immigration system respects constitutional protections, as President Senator Sanders will work with Congress to provide additional funding and immigration judges to the Executive Office for Immigration Review and restore discretion to judges and allow them to consider the unique circumstances of an individual’s case.

Close Loopholes that Allow Racial Profiling by Federal Authorities. Senator Sanders will fight to end racial profiling. Immigrants should never face deportation as a result of racial or ethnic profiling. A Sanders Administration will work to revise the U.S. Department of Justice’s Guidance Regarding the Use of Race by Federal Law Enforcement Agencies. Under the current guidance, the Department of Justice carved out significant exceptions for federal law enforcement agencies like the FBI, TSA and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to profile racial, religious, and other minorities at or in the vicinity of the border. Furthermore, the Guidance does not apply to most state and local law enforcement agencies.

DETENTION
End For-Profit Detention. As President, Senator Sanders will fight to end federal, state and municipal contracts with for-profit private prisons within two years. Termination of these contracts will eliminate the incentive for the private prison industry to support punitive, over-inclusive laws that lead to the detention of 34,000 immigrants on any given day. A Sanders Administration will also work with Congress to enact the Justice is Not for Sale Act, which would reinstate a federal parole program that will include immigrants.

End Family Detention. As President, Senator Sanders will end family detention. He will work to ensure that detention centers do not hold families and adhere to the letter and spirit of the Flores Order. The detention of families, most of which come to our country seeking protection under our laws, is an affront to the values our nation was founded upon.

Propose Budgets with Smart, Targeted Enforcement. Senator Sanders will demand Congress defund the detention bed quota. Detention should be based on actual need and not arbitrary numbers set by Congress. At the other end of the deportation pipeline, Senator Sanders will, like President Obama, request Congress defund the Department of Justice’s State Criminal Alien Assistance Program.
Make Detention Practices Accountable. In the narrow, rare circumstances where detention may continue, a Sanders Administration will significantly improve conditions inside detention facilities, especially for vulnerable populations including pregnant women, LGBT individuals, and detainees with disabilities. Moreover, a Sanders Administration will immediately address the racial bias on display in the disproportionate detention of Mexican nationals. This deplorable reality bears witness to bias displayed at both the arrest stage and then again when making custody determinations.

Alternatives to Detention. A Sanders Administration will promote alternatives to detention, which can cost as little as 70 cents a day. The use of these substitutes to detention would allow thousands of non-violent immigrant detainees to reunite with their families as they wait for their day in court.
Guarantee Due Process and Bond Hearings. As president, Senator Sanders will ensure that immigrants have their day in court, including bond hearings and access to due process protections.

2. ELEVEN MILLION NEW AMERICANS
Senator Sanders will make a path to citizenship for the undocumented population the building block of a new humane immigration system and not as a pretext to ramp up enforcement that separates families. Recognizing the difficult path to legislate a comprehensive solution to our nation’s outdated immigration system, Senator Sanders will lead a political revolution that mobilizes millions of Americans, particularly Latinos and immigrants, to ensure that Congress acts on what the majority of Americans demand – a comprehensive and humane immigration reform policy.

Establish Broad Eligibility for Relief. Senator Sanders will work to ensure that the roadmap to citizenship is inclusive, particularly for women and does not contain arbitrary cut off eligibility dates and application periods. Such dates risk excluding hundreds of thousands of people that have arrived in the United States “too late” but have become part of the American fabric. Moreover, in light of our nation’s deep-rooted belief in rehabilitation and acknowledgement of the criminalization of communities of color, the roadmap to citizenship must allow non-violent individuals with prior contacts with our criminal justice system to apply for relief. For example, non-violent immigration-related offenses should not automatically disqualify a worker or their family from obtaining immigration relief. Old convictions like those that led to the deportation of an Iowa City pastor, should not disqualify individuals from the roadmap to citizenship.
Establish a Reasonable and Fair Wait for Citizenship. Future legislation must contain a roadmap to citizenship that allows aspiring Americans to become lawful permanent residents and become citizens within five years. The registered provisional immigrant status in the 2013 Senate immigration bill was a compromise that delayed eligibility for citizenship and created additional, unnecessary bureaucracy.
Minimize Financial Penalties and Fees. As DACA has demonstrated, monetary costs often represents the greatest obstacle for eligible individuals to come forward and apply for immigration relief. Immigrants will already have to pay thousands of dollars in regular administrative fees to apply for permanent administrative relief. Future immigration reform should not add onerous fines on top of those administrative fees. Consequently, Senator Sanders will work to ensure that the financial penalties in a roadmap to citizenship are fair.

End the Three-Year, Ten-Year, and Permanent Bars. A Sanders Administration will work with Congress to end the lengthy, forced and prolonged exit from the country that many immigrants endure when trying to leave the country to adjust their status by rescinding the three-year, ten-year and permanent bars.
Provide Expansive Relief to DREAMers. Future legislation must immediately declare DREAMers eligible to serve in the uniformed services, receive financial aid, and become eligible for in-state tuition if they meet a state’s residency requirements. Additionally, future immigration reform should provide expeditious citizenship to DREAMers.


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For someone who so routinely chides others for not doing their research, you sure sound ignorant of the topic you're discussing, Ghan. The notion that Trump supporters would be behind any of the above policy points is laughably stupid.


Quoting for shame.
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April 08 2016 20:56 GMT
#71517
So instead of actually wrestling with the details of his platform, you'd rather cite a time story op-ed from 3 months ago that goes into just as little detail as you do? Whatever you say, parrot boy. The notion that Time has an accurate take on the average Trump voter when Time entirely discounted Trump mere months ago is again laughably stupid. But yes, go ahead and bold the part where you get exposed for the hack you are. Shame is shame
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April 08 2016 20:58 GMT
#71518
On April 09 2016 05:56 farvacola wrote:
So instead of actually wrestling with the details of his platform, you'd rather cite a time story op-ed from 3 months ago that goes into just as little detail as you do? Whatever you say, parrot boy.


What's wrong with you? That article literally says that GOP voters have gone on record to say that there's potential for working together.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
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Last Edited: 2016-04-08 21:07:18
April 08 2016 20:59 GMT
#71519
Something something moving goalposts something something. GOP voters and Trump supporters are not the same thing in the non-Time op ed world. Just so the nuance is unavoidable, let's actually look at what that article says instead of posting an image of the top few paragraphs (which is an interesting tactic, but alas, taking Time articles at face, incomplete value speaks for itself in terms of actual meaning).

Roy Beck, the president of NumbersUSA, a group that seeks to dramatically reduce legal and illegal immigration to the United States, said this week that after studying Sanders’ record and rhetoric, he sees some common ground.

“I think in his gut he believes his obligation as president would be to the workers of America, not to the workers of the world,” Beck said in an interview.

Rep. Steve King of Iowa, the adamantly pro-life co-chair of Sen. Ted Cruz’s presidential campaign who has dismissed global warming as a hoax and repeatedly supported shutting down the federal government, praised Sanders’ immigration stance several times in August.

“I admire Bernie’s passion and I notice that his immigration position is closer to mine than it is some of the presidential candidates on the Republican side,” King said in an interview with an Iowa radio station over this past summer. “He’s said ‘Let’s take care of American workers.’ I’m all for that.”

Also this summer, King compared Sanders with Republican candidate Donald Trump, saying they’re “both speaking with non-politically correct language, and Bernie has taken some positions that I agree with. And part of his immigration policy is something that I agree with.”

To be sure, Sanders differs from conservative boosters like Beck and King on most counts. Sanders has long supported a path to citizenship and called for better treatment of undocumented immigrants. (NumbersUSA has given Sanders an “F-” grade on immigration policy.)

But the praise is not accidental. Sanders’ opposition to the 2007 immigration reform bill and his rhetoric about the effect of immigrant labor on American workers have dismayed immigration activists and liberal allies in the past. He has expressed concern repeatedly over the years that guest workers in the United States depress wages and squeeze Americans out of their jobs...


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It's as though you didn't even read the article you half quoted....oh wait, that's why you only posted an image of it. Seriously lol, at least oneofthem doesn't play pretend with his bias.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 08 2016 21:19 GMT
#71520
parrot what? understanding of basic economics views?
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