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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 30 2016 20:00 GMT
#70001
On March 31 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:
The trend with Trump is showing that that man is incapable of saying he was wrong or mistaken. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence direct in front of his face, he simply refuses. He begs Cooper to read the reporters statement, claiming she lied about falling. Cooper reads the statement, where she specifically says she did not fall and Trump declares victory.

Its sad to watch and the general election is going to be an embarrassment.

What "trend" that's been clear for years
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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
March 30 2016 20:01 GMT
#70002
On March 31 2016 04:55 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:
The trend with Trump is showing that that man is incapable of saying he was wrong or mistaken. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence direct in front of his face, he simply refuses. He begs Cooper to read the reporters statement, claiming she lied about falling. Cooper reads the statement, where she specifically says she did not fall and Trump declares victory.

Its sad to watch and the general election is going to be an embarrassment.


Hey, when life gives you a base that lives in an entirely different reality from the one everyone else lives in, you double down on living in their reality and they will warp their reality around yours to reward you. It's sound strategy. Pretty spineless and unprincipled (at least in my opinion), but sound.

Show nested quote +
On March 31 2016 04:54 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On March 31 2016 04:51 Plansix wrote:
Apparently Trump is now saying there should be some sort of punishment for abortion, but he isn't sure what it should be. Really unclear who should be punished, but likely everyone involved? Maybe. The man is a nightmare.


Every anti-Choicer without the balls to name a punishment is a lying coward. I commend Trump for having the forthrightness and honesty to actually state the consequences of his advocated policy choice. If you think abortion is murder, then the punishment should be the same as murder. Anti-choicers are just afraid that people will turn on them if they heard the consequence of their ridiculous advocacy.


I'd commend Trump for forthrightness and honesty if he wasn't just saying something extreme to get on the air again, which is most likely what he was doing given his past record on abortion.


Is it really that extreme? Every "no exceptions" anti-choicer must have some kind of punishments in mind. You can't just say "abortions are illegal" without specifying some kind of consequence for getting an abortion. Out one side of their mouths the anti-choicers say "abortion is murder" but they refuse to own up the logical consequences of their arguments.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 20:03:52
March 30 2016 20:02 GMT
#70003
I still kinda wonder if Trump will come out at the RNC and be like "yeah I don't care who the nominee is, I did this to see how long I could get away with this and looks like I made it here. Ya'll are a bunch of twats and should be ashamed, and the guys who endorsed me are a bunch of idiots as well."

On March 31 2016 04:55 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:
The trend with Trump is showing that that man is incapable of saying he was wrong or mistaken. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence direct in front of his face, he simply refuses. He begs Cooper to read the reporters statement, claiming she lied about falling. Cooper reads the statement, where she specifically says she did not fall and Trump declares victory.

Its sad to watch and the general election is going to be an embarrassment.


Hey, when life gives you a base that lives in an entirely different reality from the one everyone else lives in, you double down on living in their reality and they will warp their reality around yours to reward you. It's sound strategy. Pretty spineless and unprincipled (at least in my opinion), but sound.



Didn't work for Bobby Jindal.

Bobby who you ask?

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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 30 2016 20:05 GMT
#70004
On March 31 2016 04:55 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:
The trend with Trump is showing that that man is incapable of saying he was wrong or mistaken. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence direct in front of his face, he simply refuses. He begs Cooper to read the reporters statement, claiming she lied about falling. Cooper reads the statement, where she specifically says she did not fall and Trump declares victory.

Its sad to watch and the general election is going to be an embarrassment.


Hey, when life gives you a base that lives in an entirely different reality from the one everyone else lives in, you double down on living in their reality and they will warp their reality around yours to reward you. It's sound strategy. Pretty spineless and unprincipled (at least in my opinion), but sound.

Show nested quote +
On March 31 2016 04:54 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On March 31 2016 04:51 Plansix wrote:
Apparently Trump is now saying there should be some sort of punishment for abortion, but he isn't sure what it should be. Really unclear who should be punished, but likely everyone involved? Maybe. The man is a nightmare.


Every anti-Choicer without the balls to name a punishment is a lying coward. I commend Trump for having the forthrightness and honesty to actually state the consequences of his advocated policy choice. If you think abortion is murder, then the punishment should be the same as murder. Anti-choicers are just afraid that people will turn on them if they heard the consequence of their ridiculous advocacy.


I'd commend Trump for forthrightness and honesty if he wasn't just saying something extreme to get on the air again, which is most likely what he was doing given his past record on abortion.

This. He'd be a lot more moderate if elected when he doesn't need to say shit like this just to get elected
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 30 2016 20:16 GMT
#70005
acrofales on TA in US -> the way it worked at the places I've seen, is that TA'ing does pay (not a lot), but it's also reserved as a job for the grad students to do.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 30 2016 20:18 GMT
#70006
On March 31 2016 04:31 Falling wrote:
@Mohodo and clutz

I never worked while going to university, except in the four months off, but even then my Parks job was pretty irrelevant to my eventual teaching job except to say I was a loyal employee. It would be pretty hard to find paid work in the teaching profession. You could volunteer, but there's not a lot of employment that directly helps except in the most generic sense. (Most student teachers I knew, tended to work in retail during the semester.)


Do you realize how important that is? Sure, there are better things, but half the employers out there just want to know you will be there on time and not watch porn to such extremes on the work computer that nothing gets done. Most college students aren't getting jobs in their "field" anyways, so work EXP is work regardless.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 30 2016 20:35 GMT
#70007
On March 31 2016 05:05 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2016 04:55 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On March 31 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:
The trend with Trump is showing that that man is incapable of saying he was wrong or mistaken. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence direct in front of his face, he simply refuses. He begs Cooper to read the reporters statement, claiming she lied about falling. Cooper reads the statement, where she specifically says she did not fall and Trump declares victory.

Its sad to watch and the general election is going to be an embarrassment.


Hey, when life gives you a base that lives in an entirely different reality from the one everyone else lives in, you double down on living in their reality and they will warp their reality around yours to reward you. It's sound strategy. Pretty spineless and unprincipled (at least in my opinion), but sound.

On March 31 2016 04:54 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On March 31 2016 04:51 Plansix wrote:
Apparently Trump is now saying there should be some sort of punishment for abortion, but he isn't sure what it should be. Really unclear who should be punished, but likely everyone involved? Maybe. The man is a nightmare.


Every anti-Choicer without the balls to name a punishment is a lying coward. I commend Trump for having the forthrightness and honesty to actually state the consequences of his advocated policy choice. If you think abortion is murder, then the punishment should be the same as murder. Anti-choicers are just afraid that people will turn on them if they heard the consequence of their ridiculous advocacy.


I'd commend Trump for forthrightness and honesty if he wasn't just saying something extreme to get on the air again, which is most likely what he was doing given his past record on abortion.

This. He'd be a lot more moderate if elected when he doesn't need to say shit like this just to get elected

I don't believe this myth that he will back off, since he can't admit he is incorrect ever. And there is no way he gets elected.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 20:42:07
March 30 2016 20:41 GMT
#70008
On March 31 2016 05:18 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2016 04:31 Falling wrote:
@Mohodo and clutz

I never worked while going to university, except in the four months off, but even then my Parks job was pretty irrelevant to my eventual teaching job except to say I was a loyal employee. It would be pretty hard to find paid work in the teaching profession. You could volunteer, but there's not a lot of employment that directly helps except in the most generic sense. (Most student teachers I knew, tended to work in retail during the semester.)


Do you realize how important that is? Sure, there are better things, but half the employers out there just want to know you will be there on time and not watch porn to such extremes on the work computer that nothing gets done. Most college students aren't getting jobs in their "field" anyways, so work EXP is work regardless.


I work as a chemical engineer in semiconductor device manufacturing. People we hire just need to show that they have dealt with highly technical problems and solved them. Strong background in a physical science with research and maybe some publications to show you can get shit done? Welcome aboard, I don't mind that you aren't super clear on what a semiconductor is. We have astrophysicists solving problems related to heat transfer, but their entire PhD was almost meaningless except for teaching them how to acquire new information and how to solve new problems, to be the one actually creating information.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18240 Posts
March 30 2016 20:54 GMT
#70009
On March 31 2016 05:41 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2016 05:18 cLutZ wrote:
On March 31 2016 04:31 Falling wrote:
@Mohodo and clutz

I never worked while going to university, except in the four months off, but even then my Parks job was pretty irrelevant to my eventual teaching job except to say I was a loyal employee. It would be pretty hard to find paid work in the teaching profession. You could volunteer, but there's not a lot of employment that directly helps except in the most generic sense. (Most student teachers I knew, tended to work in retail during the semester.)


Do you realize how important that is? Sure, there are better things, but half the employers out there just want to know you will be there on time and not watch porn to such extremes on the work computer that nothing gets done. Most college students aren't getting jobs in their "field" anyways, so work EXP is work regardless.


I work as a chemical engineer in semiconductor device manufacturing. People we hire just need to show that they have dealt with highly technical problems and solved them. Strong background in a physical science with research and maybe some publications to show you can get shit done? Welcome aboard, I don't mind that you aren't super clear on what a semiconductor is. We have astrophysicists solving problems related to heat transfer, but their entire PhD was almost meaningless except for teaching them how to acquire new information and how to solve new problems, to be the one actually creating information.

Welcome to the 0.01% of the population. Your job is not the one we're talking about (nor is mine, btw). Hanging out in a thread on politics on a gaming forum skews this population quite significantly. But most people with a college degree are going to end up in middle management somewhere, and then knowing that they will actually be working and not browsing porn (or dicking around on a game forum like I am currently doing during work time), is important information.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 30 2016 20:55 GMT
#70010
Maricopa County certifies Presidential Preference Election results
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 20:57:13
March 30 2016 20:56 GMT
#70011
On March 31 2016 05:54 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2016 05:41 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 31 2016 05:18 cLutZ wrote:
On March 31 2016 04:31 Falling wrote:
@Mohodo and clutz

I never worked while going to university, except in the four months off, but even then my Parks job was pretty irrelevant to my eventual teaching job except to say I was a loyal employee. It would be pretty hard to find paid work in the teaching profession. You could volunteer, but there's not a lot of employment that directly helps except in the most generic sense. (Most student teachers I knew, tended to work in retail during the semester.)


Do you realize how important that is? Sure, there are better things, but half the employers out there just want to know you will be there on time and not watch porn to such extremes on the work computer that nothing gets done. Most college students aren't getting jobs in their "field" anyways, so work EXP is work regardless.


I work as a chemical engineer in semiconductor device manufacturing. People we hire just need to show that they have dealt with highly technical problems and solved them. Strong background in a physical science with research and maybe some publications to show you can get shit done? Welcome aboard, I don't mind that you aren't super clear on what a semiconductor is. We have astrophysicists solving problems related to heat transfer, but their entire PhD was almost meaningless except for teaching them how to acquire new information and how to solve new problems, to be the one actually creating information.

Welcome to the 0.01% of the population. Your job is not the one we're talking about (nor is mine, btw). Hanging out in a thread on politics on a gaming forum skews this population quite significantly. But most people with a college degree are going to end up in middle management somewhere, and then knowing that they will actually be working and not browsing porn (or dicking around on a game forum like I am currently doing during work time), is important information.


I worked my butt off in college just so I could get a job where I can dick around on a game forum.

Actually just kidding I work 50 hours a week plus weekend extra. I have a ton of work, but I get to schedule how I get it done, as long as I make deadlines.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 30 2016 20:57 GMT
#70012
so this county is about a 57/40 for hillary, how does voter suppression here work for her advantage again?
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11450 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 21:18:07
March 30 2016 21:01 GMT
#70013
TA... like in the school or university? Because by definition, the Education Assistants in the school system are employed during the 9-3 school hours, which more or less corresponds to university hours. And going to a small university there really was not a lot of TA's, like at all at the university I was attending... of course that also meant tuition was pretty low, given its size, but I can't actually recall a single class I was enrolled in that employed a university student. Tutoring could have worked for some, but wasn't necessary for me. The point is not every job has a lot of related entry level jobs prior to getting the certification, certainly not in the numbers that people are going through the program.

Certainly teaching part time is not an option, given that except in very special circumstance you need your teaching certificate, the very thing you are training to get.

Certainly volunteering in the education system is important for getting into the teaching program (which I did), but that's not exactly getting paid for anything.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18240 Posts
March 30 2016 21:18 GMT
#70014
On March 31 2016 06:01 Falling wrote:
TA... like in the school or university? Because by definition, the Education Assistants in the school system are employed during the 9-3 school hours, which more or less corresponds to university hours. And going to a small university there really was not a lot of TA's, like at all at the university I was attending... of course that also meant tuition was pretty low, given its size, but I can't actually recall a single class I was enrolled in that employed a university student. Tutoring could have worked for some, but wasn't necessary for me. The point is not every job has a lot of related entry level jobs prior to getting the certification, certainly not in the numbers that people are going through the program.

Certainly teaching part time is not an option, given that except in very special circumstance you need your teaching certificate, the very thing you are training to get.

Obviously different in NL, but the TA jobs I got were basically teaching/tutoring. The professor gave lectures and prepared all the material. In addition to lectures, the courses had study groups (max 30 students or so). Each group was supervised by a PhD student or postdoc and a TA. To get the TA job you had to have completed that class with at least an 8 (B+ or A or whatever it is in silly imperial units) and some other requirements that I have long since forgotten. You were expected to prepare some (know the material well, so you could help with any and all exercises), do some correcting work at home (hours were fixed, and you were expected to do prep and correction in those hours, any more was your own time, but most of the time I was faster than the budget). Finally, there was some exam supervision (exceedingly boring task where you sit there for 4 hours while students complete their exam, and you "make sure they don't cheat" (aka read a book)).

Imho that's still teaching. Supervised, but teaching all the same. And useful experience. Of course, as a CS student during the dotcom boom, there were more lucrative jobs, but I detest building webpages.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11450 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 21:25:11
March 30 2016 21:22 GMT
#70015
Sounds reasonable, but certainly wasn't available where I was. And I somehow doubt there are any where near sufficient positions for student teachers.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23732 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 21:44:58
March 30 2016 21:30 GMT
#70016
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On March 31 2016 05:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
Maricopa County certifies Presidential Preference Election results


Thats curious since they just said they haven't counted the provisional ballots and haven't added any votes since then...

As for how voter suppression helps Hillary it's not very complicated. Bernie was winning the day of voting in the provisionals which apparently aren't getting counted


Our European friends better watch their tone. Trump wouldn't rule out using a nuclear weapon in Europe.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 30 2016 21:52 GMT
#70017
According to Maricopa County, just over 50 percent of registered voters cast ballots in the presidential preference election.

There were 621,976 total ballots cast; the county has 1.2 million registered voters.

About 53 percent of registered Republicans turned out to vote; about 47 percent of registered Democrats and nearly 17 percent of Green Party members cast ballots.

The overwhelming majority of voters, 533,772, cast their votes early, while 88,1187 voted on election day. There were 24,630 provisional ballots cast. Of those, 4,631 were verified and counted by elections officials and another 19,999 were verified but not counted because people were not properly registered.

The provisional ballots have been at the center of the controversy over the voting debacle.

Last week, county officials said voters across Arizona could have lost their party affiliation and thus been forced to cast provisional ballots because of errors at the state Motor Vehicle Division.

Indeed, a widespread complaint on election day was that voters were not registered with a party and ineligible to vote in the closed primary. Many of these voters, from both the Democratic and Republican parties, claimed decades of party participation.

But on Tuesday, state transportation officials said they found just one error among eight potentially problematic voter registration documents sent to them by county officials.

State officials went through each of the eight forms to determine the accuracy of data keyed in by MVD clerks from the original paper forms. When voters visit MVD to renew or apply for driver’s licenses, the form gives them an opportunity to register or re-register to vote and update their party affiliation.

The MVD clerk then reviews that information and keys it into a state system, an opportunity for human error. That information contained on the form, as well as images of the forms, are transmitted to the secretary of state, who then transmits the information to county recorders.

In reviewing the eight forms, state officials determined just one had been entered inaccurately. The voter intended to be registered as a Democrat, but the clerk wrote the word “BED” in the electronic state system.


Source
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 30 2016 21:55 GMT
#70018
Our European friends better watch their tone. Trump wouldn't rule out using a nuclear weapon in Europe.


I wonder who's dumber, trump or the person who'd believe that.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 30 2016 22:03 GMT
#70019
how does lack of voting booths target provisional ballots? incredibly dumb villainy
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 22:08:58
March 30 2016 22:08 GMT
#70020
On March 31 2016 06:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
According to Maricopa County, just over 50 percent of registered voters cast ballots in the presidential preference election.

There were 621,976 total ballots cast; the county has 1.2 million registered voters.

About 53 percent of registered Republicans turned out to vote; about 47 percent of registered Democrats and nearly 17 percent of Green Party members cast ballots.

The overwhelming majority of voters, 533,772, cast their votes early, while 88,1187 voted on election day. There were 24,630 provisional ballots cast. Of those, 4,631 were verified and counted by elections officials and another 19,999 were verified but not counted because people were not properly registered.

The provisional ballots have been at the center of the controversy over the voting debacle.

Last week, county officials said voters across Arizona could have lost their party affiliation and thus been forced to cast provisional ballots because of errors at the state Motor Vehicle Division.

Indeed, a widespread complaint on election day was that voters were not registered with a party and ineligible to vote in the closed primary. Many of these voters, from both the Democratic and Republican parties, claimed decades of party participation.

But on Tuesday, state transportation officials said they found just one error among eight potentially problematic voter registration documents sent to them by county officials.

State officials went through each of the eight forms to determine the accuracy of data keyed in by MVD clerks from the original paper forms. When voters visit MVD to renew or apply for driver’s licenses, the form gives them an opportunity to register or re-register to vote and update their party affiliation.

The MVD clerk then reviews that information and keys it into a state system, an opportunity for human error. That information contained on the form, as well as images of the forms, are transmitted to the secretary of state, who then transmits the information to county recorders.

In reviewing the eight forms, state officials determined just one had been entered inaccurately. The voter intended to be registered as a Democrat, but the clerk wrote the word “BED” in the electronic state system.


Source


Eight forms? The Sanders subreddit made it sound like wayyyyyyyyyyy more than that. I really can't buy the idea that there were only 8 potentially sketchy forms.

Also hilarious to see green party people voting in such low numbers.
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