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On March 31 2016 07:08 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 06:52 ticklishmusic wrote:According to Maricopa County, just over 50 percent of registered voters cast ballots in the presidential preference election.
There were 621,976 total ballots cast; the county has 1.2 million registered voters.
About 53 percent of registered Republicans turned out to vote; about 47 percent of registered Democrats and nearly 17 percent of Green Party members cast ballots.
The overwhelming majority of voters, 533,772, cast their votes early, while 88,1187 voted on election day. There were 24,630 provisional ballots cast. Of those, 4,631 were verified and counted by elections officials and another 19,999 were verified but not counted because people were not properly registered.
The provisional ballots have been at the center of the controversy over the voting debacle.
Last week, county officials said voters across Arizona could have lost their party affiliation and thus been forced to cast provisional ballots because of errors at the state Motor Vehicle Division.
Indeed, a widespread complaint on election day was that voters were not registered with a party and ineligible to vote in the closed primary. Many of these voters, from both the Democratic and Republican parties, claimed decades of party participation.
But on Tuesday, state transportation officials said they found just one error among eight potentially problematic voter registration documents sent to them by county officials.
State officials went through each of the eight forms to determine the accuracy of data keyed in by MVD clerks from the original paper forms. When voters visit MVD to renew or apply for driver’s licenses, the form gives them an opportunity to register or re-register to vote and update their party affiliation.
The MVD clerk then reviews that information and keys it into a state system, an opportunity for human error. That information contained on the form, as well as images of the forms, are transmitted to the secretary of state, who then transmits the information to county recorders.
In reviewing the eight forms, state officials determined just one had been entered inaccurately. The voter intended to be registered as a Democrat, but the clerk wrote the word “BED” in the electronic state system. Source Eight forms? The Sanders subreddit made it sound like wayyyyyyyyyyy more than that. I really can't buy the idea that there were only 8 potentially sketchy forms. Also hilarious to see green party people voting in such low numbers.
they are the 3e party in a 2 party system. Its amazing some bother at all.
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On March 31 2016 07:08 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 06:52 ticklishmusic wrote:According to Maricopa County, just over 50 percent of registered voters cast ballots in the presidential preference election.
There were 621,976 total ballots cast; the county has 1.2 million registered voters.
About 53 percent of registered Republicans turned out to vote; about 47 percent of registered Democrats and nearly 17 percent of Green Party members cast ballots.
The overwhelming majority of voters, 533,772, cast their votes early, while 88,1187 voted on election day. There were 24,630 provisional ballots cast. Of those, 4,631 were verified and counted by elections officials and another 19,999 were verified but not counted because people were not properly registered.
The provisional ballots have been at the center of the controversy over the voting debacle.
Last week, county officials said voters across Arizona could have lost their party affiliation and thus been forced to cast provisional ballots because of errors at the state Motor Vehicle Division.
Indeed, a widespread complaint on election day was that voters were not registered with a party and ineligible to vote in the closed primary. Many of these voters, from both the Democratic and Republican parties, claimed decades of party participation.
But on Tuesday, state transportation officials said they found just one error among eight potentially problematic voter registration documents sent to them by county officials.
State officials went through each of the eight forms to determine the accuracy of data keyed in by MVD clerks from the original paper forms. When voters visit MVD to renew or apply for driver’s licenses, the form gives them an opportunity to register or re-register to vote and update their party affiliation.
The MVD clerk then reviews that information and keys it into a state system, an opportunity for human error. That information contained on the form, as well as images of the forms, are transmitted to the secretary of state, who then transmits the information to county recorders.
In reviewing the eight forms, state officials determined just one had been entered inaccurately. The voter intended to be registered as a Democrat, but the clerk wrote the word “BED” in the electronic state system. Source Eight forms? The Sanders subreddit made it sound like wayyyyyyyyyyy more than that. I really can't buy the idea that there were only 8 potentially sketchy forms. Also hilarious to see green party people voting in such low numbers.
I remember reading about the 8, they spotchecked them and didn't see any problem w/ wrong registration except with the bed thing (I thought that was funny). Then from what I read it seems like they looked at the 24K provisional and turned out only 4,600 were from registered democrats based on the record which their earlier check seemed to say was ok.
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Punishing women for abortions?
Wow.
That's a good way to freak out his anti choice supporters. Looks like they'll be confronted with the stark reality of their point of view. Will they stay behind Trump even as he exposes them for the heathens that they are?
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Trump has already changed his view, less than 24 hours since.
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On March 31 2016 07:43 On_Slaught wrote:
Trump has already changed his view, less than 24 hours since.
Somehow he managed to do this whilst also denying that he had.
Bizarre.
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sent to them by county officials.
There's the key part of that phrase. One woman reported at least 30 cases just at her location. Anyone taking the election officials words on this are being intentionally naive.
I guess we'll also ignore those turnout numbers don't match up with estimates based on poll locations at all.
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Yeah, this whole AZ thing sounds a lot like cops determining they were totally justified in slaughtering some black kids. I'd much rather someone else determine that.
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Washington voters may not get to feel the Bern.
Because of an error by the D.C. Democratic Party, Sen. Bernard Sanders’ name is not on the ballot, according to a report by WRC-TV, the local NBC affiliate.
Both the Vermont senator’s team and the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton submitted the required $2,500 registration fee and other paperwork but the party did not notify the D.C. Board of Elections by a key deadline.
The registration deadline was March 16, but the party did not send the board Mr. Sanders’ registration information until the 17th, according to the affiliate. As a result of this error, Mr. Sanders’ eligibility to appear on the ballot is being contested, WRC explained.
Source
It seems like all of a sudden the DNC and all of its local affiliates are consistently having trouble with people whose name isn't Hillary Clinton.
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So we have that first debate, where they paid two clowns to take away attention from Hillary and make Bernie seem like a nobody. Then complete media silence on Bernie for months (kind of funny considering how much news media likes to parrot facebook and twitter stuff except when it came to Bernie). Then as soon as they start talking about him, it's "There is no chance for Bernie to win. Turn back now. Vote for Hillary, she is your only option!"
Sounds a lot like the death throes of a wounded animal at this point.
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An interview with Barney Frank about Sanders, financial sector regulation and other topics:
How do you think Dodd-Frank is working?
Very well. I think Steve Eisman, who is the Steve Carell character in The Big Short, and one of the heroes of this issue, had a very good article a couple weeks ago talking about how well things are working.
We’re not getting the bad loans made, and there’s a substantial increase in capital and stability. And I will say two things: First, people on the left who thought it would have no impact were clearly wrong, and [so were] people on the right who thought it would be a job-killer. It has allowed the financial system to continue to do its job, financing equity, but with much lower level of risk.
[...]
I think that part of the argument that people like Sanders would make is that, the financial system is corrupt fundamentally and that we don’t want to merely make it slightly more stable—
Well if that’s the case it’s even dumber than I thought. The financial system is people lending money to other people so they can do things. I do think that he overstates it when he says, “they’re all corrupt.” It’s simply not true. And by the way, when it comes to specifics, the only specific I have heard is Glass-Steagall, which makes very little change in the finance system.
I think he gets a pass from the media. Other than Glass-Steagall, what did he propose in 2009 and 2010 when he was a senator when we were dealing with this? The answer is nothing. Why haven’t you looked at his record?
[...]
What do you make of Hillary’s campaign?
I think it’s been good on the whole. I think she should have admitted earlier she made a mistake on the emails. I am struck by the fact that with all these emails of hers getting out, there hasn’t been a single really embarrassing one. I’m pleasantly surprised by that.
Source
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On March 31 2016 08:28 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +Washington voters may not get to feel the Bern.
Because of an error by the D.C. Democratic Party, Sen. Bernard Sanders’ name is not on the ballot, according to a report by WRC-TV, the local NBC affiliate.
Both the Vermont senator’s team and the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton submitted the required $2,500 registration fee and other paperwork but the party did not notify the D.C. Board of Elections by a key deadline.
The registration deadline was March 16, but the party did not send the board Mr. Sanders’ registration information until the 17th, according to the affiliate. As a result of this error, Mr. Sanders’ eligibility to appear on the ballot is being contested, WRC explained. SourceIt seems like all of a sudden the DNC and all of its local affiliates are consistently having trouble with people whose name isn't Hillary Clinton.
Sanders campaign didn't file paperwork on time
Their fault
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jim webb is a more srs candidate than bernie.
and bernie will obviously on the dc ballot lol. these are nonissues.
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On March 31 2016 08:39 kwizach wrote:An interview with Barney Frank about Sanders, financial sector regulation and other topics: Show nested quote +How do you think Dodd-Frank is working?
Very well. I think Steve Eisman, who is the Steve Carell character in The Big Short, and one of the heroes of this issue, had a very good article a couple weeks ago talking about how well things are working.
We’re not getting the bad loans made, and there’s a substantial increase in capital and stability. And I will say two things: First, people on the left who thought it would have no impact were clearly wrong, and [so were] people on the right who thought it would be a job-killer. It has allowed the financial system to continue to do its job, financing equity, but with much lower level of risk.
[...]
I think that part of the argument that people like Sanders would make is that, the financial system is corrupt fundamentally and that we don’t want to merely make it slightly more stable—
Well if that’s the case it’s even dumber than I thought. The financial system is people lending money to other people so they can do things. I do think that he overstates it when he says, “they’re all corrupt.” It’s simply not true. And by the way, when it comes to specifics, the only specific I have heard is Glass-Steagall, which makes very little change in the finance system.
I think he gets a pass from the media. Other than Glass-Steagall, what did he propose in 2009 and 2010 when he was a senator when we were dealing with this? The answer is nothing. Why haven’t you looked at his record?
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What do you make of Hillary’s campaign?
I think it’s been good on the whole. I think she should have admitted earlier she made a mistake on the emails. I am struck by the fact that with all these emails of hers getting out, there hasn’t been a single really embarrassing one. I’m pleasantly surprised by that. Source
Barnie Frank laying it down. Sanders has no record to run on, just a whole lot of sound bites and nice memes. If Sanders was really a progressive champion, he would have some kind of coalition and legislative record of success. Instead he just sat on the outside keeping himself pure from the messy realities of legislative work.
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TAing is kind of a grad student thing in US. At least in mathematics I got a 1700$ a month stipend + all tuition and fees covered + benefits. I had a nice fellowship though. I believe most of my classmates got about 1400$ The big advantage was i only had to teach middle 3 years, first and last i just got the money basically. I also got a 5k summer stipend and I worked summers anyways. It was more than enough to live on in that locale. At least in math almost no one accrues huge debt for a grad degree. Almost every school needs their grad students for TAs. So this sort of thing is really subject dependent. Similarly in undergrad I could work in departmental lab as tutor for pretty decent wage and often I just chilled on forums or did my own work. It was also a great place to make contacts for private tutoring which is very lucrative. When I was a senior I did get payed by the department occasionally to sub for classes they knew I could cover and proctor tests and stuff.
Basically this sort of thing does exist and is a great thing. It's how I got through undergrad and grad school with no debt but yes it's essentially merit based. Expansions on this sort of stuff though would be really good.
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On March 31 2016 08:41 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 08:28 Jormundr wrote:Washington voters may not get to feel the Bern.
Because of an error by the D.C. Democratic Party, Sen. Bernard Sanders’ name is not on the ballot, according to a report by WRC-TV, the local NBC affiliate.
Both the Vermont senator’s team and the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton submitted the required $2,500 registration fee and other paperwork but the party did not notify the D.C. Board of Elections by a key deadline.
The registration deadline was March 16, but the party did not send the board Mr. Sanders’ registration information until the 17th, according to the affiliate. As a result of this error, Mr. Sanders’ eligibility to appear on the ballot is being contested, WRC explained. SourceIt seems like all of a sudden the DNC and all of its local affiliates are consistently having trouble with people whose name isn't Hillary Clinton. Sanders campaign didn't file paperwork on time Their fault
Clinton supporters can't read confirmed.
On March 31 2016 08:41 oneofthem wrote:
jim webb is a more srs candidate than bernie.
and bernie will obviously on the dc ballot lol. these are nonissues.
Jim "Hillary promised me a book deal if I drown out bernie with white noise" Webb
Suuuure
On March 31 2016 08:42 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 08:39 kwizach wrote:An interview with Barney Frank about Sanders, financial sector regulation and other topics: How do you think Dodd-Frank is working?
Very well. I think Steve Eisman, who is the Steve Carell character in The Big Short, and one of the heroes of this issue, had a very good article a couple weeks ago talking about how well things are working.
We’re not getting the bad loans made, and there’s a substantial increase in capital and stability. And I will say two things: First, people on the left who thought it would have no impact were clearly wrong, and [so were] people on the right who thought it would be a job-killer. It has allowed the financial system to continue to do its job, financing equity, but with much lower level of risk.
[...]
I think that part of the argument that people like Sanders would make is that, the financial system is corrupt fundamentally and that we don’t want to merely make it slightly more stable—
Well if that’s the case it’s even dumber than I thought. The financial system is people lending money to other people so they can do things. I do think that he overstates it when he says, “they’re all corrupt.” It’s simply not true. And by the way, when it comes to specifics, the only specific I have heard is Glass-Steagall, which makes very little change in the finance system.
I think he gets a pass from the media. Other than Glass-Steagall, what did he propose in 2009 and 2010 when he was a senator when we were dealing with this? The answer is nothing. Why haven’t you looked at his record?
[...]
What do you make of Hillary’s campaign?
I think it’s been good on the whole. I think she should have admitted earlier she made a mistake on the emails. I am struck by the fact that with all these emails of hers getting out, there hasn’t been a single really embarrassing one. I’m pleasantly surprised by that. Source Barnie Frank laying it down. Sanders has no record to run on, just a whole lot of sound bites and nice memes. If Sanders was really a progressive champion, he would have some kind of coalition and legislative record of success. Instead he just sat on the outside keeping himself pure from the messy realities of legislative work.
Sanders has a hell of a record to run on. He has a far more consistent record than Hillary, who consistently voted for what was popular rather than what was right.
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On March 31 2016 08:41 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 08:28 Jormundr wrote:Washington voters may not get to feel the Bern.
Because of an error by the D.C. Democratic Party, Sen. Bernard Sanders’ name is not on the ballot, according to a report by WRC-TV, the local NBC affiliate.
Both the Vermont senator’s team and the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton submitted the required $2,500 registration fee and other paperwork but the party did not notify the D.C. Board of Elections by a key deadline.
The registration deadline was March 16, but the party did not send the board Mr. Sanders’ registration information until the 17th, according to the affiliate. As a result of this error, Mr. Sanders’ eligibility to appear on the ballot is being contested, WRC explained. SourceIt seems like all of a sudden the DNC and all of its local affiliates are consistently having trouble with people whose name isn't Hillary Clinton. Sanders campaign didn't file paperwork on time Their fault
Both the Vermont senator’s team and the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton submitted the required $2,500 registration fee and other paperwork but the party did not notify the D.C. Board of Elections by a key deadline.
Maybe read.
edit: it's rather weird to assume btw that a campaign "forgets to file paperwork". Did that ever happen before? Honestly asking?
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On March 31 2016 08:56 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 08:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 31 2016 08:28 Jormundr wrote:Washington voters may not get to feel the Bern.
Because of an error by the D.C. Democratic Party, Sen. Bernard Sanders’ name is not on the ballot, according to a report by WRC-TV, the local NBC affiliate.
Both the Vermont senator’s team and the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton submitted the required $2,500 registration fee and other paperwork but the party did not notify the D.C. Board of Elections by a key deadline.
The registration deadline was March 16, but the party did not send the board Mr. Sanders’ registration information until the 17th, according to the affiliate. As a result of this error, Mr. Sanders’ eligibility to appear on the ballot is being contested, WRC explained. SourceIt seems like all of a sudden the DNC and all of its local affiliates are consistently having trouble with people whose name isn't Hillary Clinton. Sanders campaign didn't file paperwork on time Their fault Clinton supporters can't read confirmed.
I read an earlier article saying that was the case, so my b. Saw it was WT, assumed it was a trash article.
Can I go ahead and make a generalization that Bernie supporters are assholes? Ty
Also shouldn't cite the Washington Times tbh, though that seems to be a Sanders supporter source of choice along with RT and Breitbart
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On March 31 2016 08:56 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 08:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 31 2016 08:28 Jormundr wrote:Washington voters may not get to feel the Bern.
Because of an error by the D.C. Democratic Party, Sen. Bernard Sanders’ name is not on the ballot, according to a report by WRC-TV, the local NBC affiliate.
Both the Vermont senator’s team and the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton submitted the required $2,500 registration fee and other paperwork but the party did not notify the D.C. Board of Elections by a key deadline.
The registration deadline was March 16, but the party did not send the board Mr. Sanders’ registration information until the 17th, according to the affiliate. As a result of this error, Mr. Sanders’ eligibility to appear on the ballot is being contested, WRC explained. SourceIt seems like all of a sudden the DNC and all of its local affiliates are consistently having trouble with people whose name isn't Hillary Clinton. Sanders campaign didn't file paperwork on time Their fault Clinton supporters can't read confirmed. Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 08:41 oneofthem wrote:
jim webb is a more srs candidate than bernie.
and bernie will obviously on the dc ballot lol. these are nonissues. Jim "Hillary promised me a book deal if I drown out bernie with white noise" Webb Suuuure
lmao the same webb who would vote for trump over hillary?
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On March 31 2016 09:02 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 08:56 Jormundr wrote:On March 31 2016 08:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 31 2016 08:28 Jormundr wrote:Washington voters may not get to feel the Bern.
Because of an error by the D.C. Democratic Party, Sen. Bernard Sanders’ name is not on the ballot, according to a report by WRC-TV, the local NBC affiliate.
Both the Vermont senator’s team and the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton submitted the required $2,500 registration fee and other paperwork but the party did not notify the D.C. Board of Elections by a key deadline.
The registration deadline was March 16, but the party did not send the board Mr. Sanders’ registration information until the 17th, according to the affiliate. As a result of this error, Mr. Sanders’ eligibility to appear on the ballot is being contested, WRC explained. SourceIt seems like all of a sudden the DNC and all of its local affiliates are consistently having trouble with people whose name isn't Hillary Clinton. Sanders campaign didn't file paperwork on time Their fault Clinton supporters can't read confirmed. On March 31 2016 08:41 oneofthem wrote:
jim webb is a more srs candidate than bernie.
and bernie will obviously on the dc ballot lol. these are nonissues. Jim "Hillary promised me a book deal if I drown out bernie with white noise" Webb Suuuure lmao the same webb who would vote for trump over hillary?
I mean she lied about the book deal, dude has a right to be mad.
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On March 31 2016 09:02 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 08:56 Jormundr wrote:On March 31 2016 08:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 31 2016 08:28 Jormundr wrote:Washington voters may not get to feel the Bern.
Because of an error by the D.C. Democratic Party, Sen. Bernard Sanders’ name is not on the ballot, according to a report by WRC-TV, the local NBC affiliate.
Both the Vermont senator’s team and the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton submitted the required $2,500 registration fee and other paperwork but the party did not notify the D.C. Board of Elections by a key deadline.
The registration deadline was March 16, but the party did not send the board Mr. Sanders’ registration information until the 17th, according to the affiliate. As a result of this error, Mr. Sanders’ eligibility to appear on the ballot is being contested, WRC explained. SourceIt seems like all of a sudden the DNC and all of its local affiliates are consistently having trouble with people whose name isn't Hillary Clinton. Sanders campaign didn't file paperwork on time Their fault Clinton supporters can't read confirmed. I read an earlier article saying that was the case, so my b. Saw it was WT, assumed it was a trash article. Can I go ahead and make a generalization that Bernie supporters are assholes? Ty Also shouldn't cite the Washington Times tbh, though that seems to be a Sanders supporter source of choice along with RT and Breitbart
If an article cites its sources properly, i don't see why one wouldn't quote it. Of course, it's easier to ignore the article, rather than trying to rationally explain why this happened - but if one thing is clear in this election, supporters of presidential candidates, as much as the candidates themselves, are a bunch of truth-twisters. That goes for all parties involved.
To be clear:
D.C. Democratic Party Chairwoman Anita Bonds told The Washington Times that the party’s primary plan, which included the paperwork for all candidates, was submitted by 7 p.m. on the 16th. The D.C. Board of Elections offices closes at 4:45 p.m.
It's not a made up message, it's confirmed that both submissions were made together. Yet one was "too late", the other one wasn't.
Doesn't matter how shitty the WT is, if they get the facts straight and the (undisclosed by you btw) other source doesn't.
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