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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4383 Posts
On March 14 2016 15:39 Danglars wrote: When Democrats mess it up, nobody could've avoided fate and the system broke the good guys. I have to wonder if you're some expert on urban politics and we're expected to take you at your word. They hardly make any steel in Pittsburgh "The steel city" anymore yet it is one of the most livable cities in America.Think about that.Demographics? People who refused to be victims? Something else? http://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/business/economy/08collapse.html?referer=&_r=0 | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 14 2016 20:52 trulojucreathrma.com wrote: You guys make it sound as if getting votes from ethnic groups is something dirty. To get minority votes you need to listen to them. Listening leads to understanding. Understand leads to Pandering. Pandering is the path of the democrat, which must be avoided. /s | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Silicon Valley’s leading companies – including Facebook, Google and Snapchat – are working on their own increased privacy technology as Apple fights the US government over encryption, the Guardian has learned. The projects could antagonize authorities just as much as Apple’s more secure iPhones, which are currently at the center of the San Bernardino shooting investigation. They also indicate the industry may be willing to back up their public support for Apple with concrete action. Within weeks, Facebook’s messaging service WhatsApp plans to expand its secure messaging service so that voice calls are also encrypted, in addition to its existing privacy features. The service has some one billion monthly users. Facebook is also considering beefing up security of its own Messenger tool. Snapchat, the popular ephemeral messaging service, is also working on a secure messaging system and Google is exploring extra uses for the technology behind a long-in-the-works encrypted email project. Engineers at major technology firms, including Twitter, have explored encrypted messaging products before only to see them never be released because the products can be hard to use – or the companies prioritized more consumer-friendly projects. But they now hope the increased emphasis on encryption means that technology executives view strong privacy tools as a business advantage – not just a marketing pitch. These new projects began before Apple entered a court battle with the Department of Justice over whether it should help authorities hack into a suspected terrorist’s iPhone. Apple is due to appear in a federal court in California later this month to fight the order. Source | ||
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frazzle
United States468 Posts
On March 14 2016 13:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So like i just said.Blacks are worse off now than when Obama first got in.What has he done for them? Obamacare bruh. In Michigan it would be even better if Republicans weren't mucking up the Medicaid expansion. Also I would add the auto bailouts, even though that only affected Detroit so much. | ||
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farvacola
United States18854 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4383 Posts
Clinton up by 37 in Illinois polls reported 11 March, but only up by 3 on 14th March? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/ | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Remember the 47 percent? It wasn’t that long ago when former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney famously bemoaned the fact that almost half of all households did not pay federal income taxes. Now, in a striking about-face, the Republican presidential contenders are proposing to dramatically increase the number of people who don’t pay. Marco Rubio wants to cut an additional 10 million households from the rolls. Ted Cruz would drop 18 million. Donald Trump would go further than both, proposing to excuse 33 million. That would push up the share of all households that don't pay federal income taxes to almost two-thirds. What makes it even more unusual is that Bernie Sanders, the self-proclaimed socialist on the Democratic side, would add more taxpayers to the rolls (though his campaign has said the benefits they will gain would outweigh that). “The debate has gone 180 degrees,” said Len Burman, head of the Tax Policy Center, which estimates the effects of the candidates’ tax plans. It has also quieted what had been a raging debate, especially in conservative policy circles, over the significance of having so many nonpayers — which some Republicans had portrayed as “makers” versus “takers.” “It was a stupid debate,” Grover Norquist, the influential anti-tax activist says. He is quick to note that the poor pay all sorts of other taxes. “It may not be the federal income tax, but they pay sales taxes and excise taxes and they read that little tax at the end of the phone bill,” he said. “You talk to low-income people and they will list the taxes they pay.” The turnaround is a reaction to Romney’s defeat, blamed on his inability to connect with low- and middle-income people that Republicans say was crystallized by his remarks. Source | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
In other words, nothing really new | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
trchnocratic administrative state needs popular trust or repression. it is a perilous path towards building that. given the hard to repair sstems at risk it really might be a brave new world in ten years time. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Rahm is a dick, but he gets more flak than he deserves. + Show Spoiler [Relevant quote (from Facebook of all…] + So often in policy, you're choosing not between good and bad options, but bad and worse options. If you stay out of Syria, you'll be blamed for allowing hundreds of thousands to die while you sat back and did nothing; if you intervene, you'll be blamed for causing the ensuing chaos and the hundreds of thousands who die as a result. As a leader, you must make a judgment about which is the least worst option and then live with all the terrible consequences that will result from that decision, with your only solace being the unprovable conviction within your heart that it could've been much worse. Time and again, Hillary Clinton has borne the burden of choosing between bad and worse policy options and then living with the consequences; I have yet to see evidence that Bernie Sanders knows what it's like to do so. I say this having vacillated for a long time between the two candidates; I had my Bernie days and my Hillary days, and all in all I'm a big Bernie fan. But in the world according to Bernie Sanders' campaign, there are no hard choices. There are only right and wrong choices and all it takes is someone who has the courage to choose rightly. I fundamentally disagree that this is how the world works. A Sanders victory would not make the half of America that doesn't describe itself as "progressive" disappear overnight. The reality is, any bill on, say, gun control, that survives the legislative process to end up on the next president's desk will not be a simple up-or-down measure on gun control. It will come with all sorts of riders and amendments, many of which will have nothing to do with guns - say, cuts to food stamps. The president can either veto the bill and be blamed for thousands of ensuing gun deaths, or sign the bill into law and be blamed for thousands of struggling families who are then thrown off food stamps. All I've heard from Bernie about such situations is that if he were president, these dilemmas would magically disappear. For Hillary, it's just another day on the job. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On March 14 2016 23:10 oneofthem wrote: at some point id just say the elites deserve sanders and trump and be at peace with it. problem is their populist politics has no easy reverse gear. it sould also be harmful to the poor. trchnocratic administrative state needs popular trust or repression. it is a perilous path towards building that. given the hard to repair sstems at risk it really might be a brave new world in ten years time. Thus election has been the single best argument against democracy ever. Both sides falling in love with flashy ideas that would be a complete disaster. | ||
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farvacola
United States18854 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
It is one of the reasons I like Elizabeth Warren, even though I don’t agree with her all the time. Especially on mortgage regulation. But she has said she wants to remain in the Senate and work to deal with the banks and their practices. I appreciate her focus on the issue she thinks is the biggest problem in the US. On March 14 2016 23:19 Mohdoo wrote: Thus election has been the single best argument against democracy ever. Both sides falling in love with flashy ideas that would be a complete disaster. I also thing is a product of shitty media coverage and news that isn't critical of any of the candidates statements or policies. They get the most surface level, buzz feed style coverage without any real in-depth discussion. The news is so interested in appearing impartial, it is under critical of all of the candidates. | ||
KwarK
United States43597 Posts
On March 12 2016 05:30 Sermokala wrote: Saving the world from hitler and/or stalin is worth a lot of gratitude. Also wheres our money from the marshall plan? Ironically Dick "The guy I shot I made apologize to me" was for gay marriage a lot sooner then other politicians. The UK repaid Marshall Plan loans. Also the plurality of Marshall Plan money went to the UK and although British soil did feel the effects of war the destruction in the UK was nothing like that which Germany experienced. Furthermore by the end of World War II the United States was the leading producer of manufactured goods globally but had no real market for them due to the entire world being in ruins. The Marshall Plan was a strategic effort to rebuild Western Europe under American domination, the payments in dollars were used to buy American goods which supplanted the native industry devastated by war. Don't get me wrong, it was better than a Soviet occupation but it wasn't a gift. Great powers don't make gifts. It was a strategic decision that benefited both parties. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 14 2016 23:22 farvacola wrote: I'm not sure I'd call Hillary flashy, but yeah, good point. lawyers need a more complete education. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On March 14 2016 23:19 Mohdoo wrote: Thus election has been the single best argument against democracy ever. Both sides falling in love with flashy ideas that would be a complete disaster. Which of Bernie's policies would be a complete disaster, I wonder? I have yet to hear a convincing argument that justifies the extreme wealth inequality across the States and the world that goes further than "trickle-down Reagonomics". | ||
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