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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
I don't see how Hillary lying and misrepresenting the truth excuses anyone else doing the same? She does walk back the straight up disprovable lies most of the time which makes her marginally better I think. But anyone culturing their own pseudo-reality bubble for their supporters these days is pretty despicable in my eyes, no matter their political beliefs. If you're not going to fight the reality bubbles the media is crafting for profit, at least don't make your own. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On March 14 2016 02:21 xDaunt wrote: Good lord. This is some seriously elitist bullshit. You can't just excuse all of Hillary's numerous flaws under the guise of voters are stupid. Likewise, explaining away Trump's rise as identity politics completely ignores the very legitimate grievances that his supporters have. They have legitimate grievances but Trump doesn't have legitimate answers. California is near full-employment. Throwing all the illegals out who do like every second manual job in agriculture will mean that prices will spike because there simply is not enough reserve labour to fill the gap. This ironically will hit poor people the most, and that is genuinely stupid | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
David Petraeus intentionally revealed top secret information to his mistress and didn't serve jail time and received probation. Hillary had emails on a server that was not 100% secure and contained extremely limit top secret information that no one can prove anyone saw or were exposed to. At worst it is negligence that lead to no one being harmed. That is nothing compared to willing releasing an illegally obtained edited video with the solo purpose to lie to the public about health services provided by Planned Parenthood. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
What about them? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On March 14 2016 02:16 The_Templar wrote: Must have missed this, when did that happen? Hillary Clinton draws criticism for her response to violence at Trump’s Chicago rally Hillary Clinton’s statement in response to an outbreak of violence at Republican Party front-runner Donald Trump’s Chicago rally was aimed at encouraging political unity. But instead, many reacted to her statement with disappointment. Basically, she refused to cite Donald Trump or use the term racism/xenophobia while using the bullshit "divisive rhetoric" catch phrase. Just came off suuuper general electiony and not really hitting the right note. | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:32 Ghanburighan wrote: I find it hilarious that everyone is blaming Donald Trump for the violence. Granted he's acting irresponsibly in reaction for pretty clear personal gain, the violence, bigotry, racism and all the rest is merely brought to light, but was never engaged with properly. In fact, decades of neglect and suppression of these segments of society has probably fueled the anger and pent up frustration that's being aired today. I don't think anyone is blaming Trump for turning people into racists. More like he enables them and encourages them. | ||
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:32 Ghanburighan wrote: I find it hilarious that everyone is blaming Donald Trump for the violence. Granted he's acting irresponsibly in reaction for pretty clear personal gain, the violence, bigotry, racism and all the rest is merely brought to light, but was never engaged with properly. In fact, decades of neglect and suppression of these segments of society has probably fueled the anger and pent up frustration that's being aired today. He is a demagogue. He said he wants to punch the protestors. He loved the old days, where protestors would be carried out on a stretcher. He said he would pay the legal fees. He said security escorting protestors were being too nice or too slow or too weak. Police is too afraid to lose their job to act forcefully, etc. He always screams "Out out out!". Only once he said "Be nice to them." Almost always protestors are pushed, punched and he cheers on his supporters. He wants to unleash mob mentality. | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:43 trulojucreathrma.com wrote: He is a demagogue. He said he wants to punch the protestors. He loved the old days, where protestors would be carried out on a stretcher. He said he would pay the legal fees. He said security escorting protestors were being too nice or too slow or too weak. Police is too afraid to lose their job to act forcefully, etc. He always screams "Out out out!". Only once he said "Be nice to them." Almost always protestors are pushed, punched and he cheers on his supporters. He wants to unleash mob mentality. Well is he doing a good job at it? | ||
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oBlade
United States6304 Posts
On March 13 2016 18:11 kwizach wrote: I answered that in the post you just quoted. If you have nothing to reply to the evidence I presented you with to show Trump's specific weakness among the Republican primary electorate compared to the previous frontrunner (Romney), stop deflecting and stop replying altogether. You should be able to paraphrase the ideas of someone you're responding to even if you think you don't agree. That's one of the tests that a discussion's being held in good faith. That you can't (and ignore when I spell them out for you) is confirming my suspicion either 1) you don't know what I'm saying 2) you do know but can't let go of the line you've taken. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:40 Toadesstern wrote: I don't think anyone is blaming Trump for turning people into racists. More like he enables them and encourages them. Really? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/183EADd.png) Source | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
I think people are missing the point that he wants protesters at his rallies, thats why he hasn't pressed charges until now. Some sickley looking collage kid comes in, holds up a sign and acts annoying, Trump takes that as a que to hype up the crowd. 'Look at that guy', 'really sad people', 'get em outta here'. Crowd goes into defensive mode, starts chanting USA USA, TRUMP TRUMP. Protester that looks like he's never been employed in his life gets kicked out, crowd cheers, have a moment where they feel that they have won, go back to listening to Trump with more energy. And the protesters give them 5-6 wins a rally. People that don't like liberals start rooting for Trump because whatever pisses the liberals off the most, they want more of it. See, in Eastern Europe we would call people that protest Trump 'useful idiots', they feel like they have contributed something but in reality they have been used and exploited by all sides. I would really love to see what would happen if someone came to a Bernie rally and started protesting against communism, maybe step on a few Mexican and Soviet flags because they are just pieces of cloth anyway. | ||
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oBlade
United States6304 Posts
On another note he's really campaigning his toupee off. He's doing 3 rallies a day in 2-3 states for days on end. I don't think anyone else is going at it that hard. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
That doesn't go against what I said, does it? What I said is basicly: People aren't saying 'Trump is turning people into racists when before they were perfectly fine, it's just that Trump makes it acceptable to be openly racists. So people who thought so earlier and kept their mouth shut a couple months ago are now around Trump because not only is it okay to say such things around him, he glorifies it.' That's a difference. I haven't read the entire thing but it seems that's what they're going after as well. Your entire point was basicly: Someone beats up person A. That someone runs away, person B gets on the scene and makes a big scene about how amazing it is that person A finally got beaten up. You then say that people shouldn't criticize person B for that but should instead only criticize the guy who beat up person A because he's actually the one responsible for this. I think you can very well criticize person B as well, or rather criticizing person B doesn't diminish the criticism on the innitial guy at all. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28864 Posts
What is this supposed to mean? Are you saying that he is 'good at unleashing mob mentality'? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
That's the fucking Washington Post dude | ||
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dragonswarrior
389 Posts
On March 14 2016 04:26 OtherWorld wrote: That's the fucking Washington Post dude Uhm... If you're point is in critique of it, you do realize the Post is one of the most trusted and respected papers in America right now? If not then I don't see your point? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On March 14 2016 04:42 dragonswarrior wrote: Uhm... If you're point is in critique of it, you do realize the Post is one of the most trusted and respected papers in America right now? If not then I don't see your point? Let me guess, you support Clinton? | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On March 14 2016 04:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: What is this supposed to mean? Are you saying that he is 'good at unleashing mob mentality'? Is that what you think? | ||
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