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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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frazzle
United States468 Posts
On March 13 2016 00:32 GoTuNk! wrote: It's inevitable that Trumps wins the nomination. Liberal media and the whole establishment remain ignorant to the fact that atacking someone 24/7 on the media means he gets 20 times the exposure of all other candidates together. How do you think it looks to non-liberals when a bunch of people you dislike (liberal establishment) spend all their time name calling someone? So the Republican party is the liberal establishment? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22677 Posts
While before I would have called the rhetoric of the primary worrying this violence is taking it to a whole new level. The riot and now this, regardless of which side did what, are a powerful swing for Trump. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 13 2016 05:24 Gorsameth wrote: Jumping over a fence like that the guy had it coming, and yeah Trump stays as calm as can be expected. While before I would have called the rhetoric of the primary worrying this violence is taking it to a whole new level. The riot and now this, regardless of which side did what, are a powerful swing for Trump. Trump has taken a play straight out of the liberal playbook, and played the victim in media, by the media, all while looking strong to his own supporters. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On March 13 2016 05:18 oBlade wrote: That's a much better angle. I couldn't find one earlier. The guy wasn't even in the frame in the clips I found. No matter what side you're on, I think you have to agree his composure is admirable. Like when that guy threw a shoe at (president) Bush. "Admirable"? The guy was already surrounded and immobilized by five agents by the time Trump turned around. Why would his composure be any different? Or are you perhaps referring to the fact that for once he didn't call for the protester to get beaten up? Is it admirable to usually incite to physical violence? | ||
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frazzle
United States468 Posts
On March 13 2016 03:38 Danglars wrote: Maybe you're thinking of someone that claimed it wasn't free speech. I thought I had caught a whiff of the 'activist judges' position creeping in to your point. But yes, trampling a flag would be ineffective and pointless speech if it didn't offend the sensibilities of its target. I can't imagine another reason to do it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 13 2016 05:40 kwizach wrote: "Admirable"? The guy was already surrounded and immobilized by five agents by the time Trump turned around. Why would his composure be any different? Or are you perhaps referring to the fact that for once he didn't call for the protester to get beaten up? Is it admirable to usually incite to physical violence? Wait, are you serious? | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
I am serious. How else would you expect anyone else to behave? edit: except perhaps by asking the Secret Service to go easy on the guy. | ||
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oBlade
United States6648 Posts
On March 13 2016 05:40 kwizach wrote: "Admirable"? The guy was already surrounded and immobilized by five agents by the time Trump turned around. Why would his composure be any different? I am saying the speaker is in the outdoors, surrounded by thousands of people, doing an event the day after he had to cancel one, and someone jumps the fence behind him and the speaker turns around while bracing, having no idea what the fuck is happening (mind you). then pretty quickly assesses the situation and turns back to the event, not being (or at least not appearing to be) the least bit rattled. It's "admirable" because if one day for some reason thousands of people were gathered to listen to you speak, that's almost exactly how you should hope to handle yourself. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On March 13 2016 05:53 oBlade wrote: I am saying the speaker is in the outdoors, surrounded by thousands of people, doing an event the day after he had to cancel one, and someone jumps the fence behind him and the speaker turns around while bracing, having no idea what the fuck is happening (mind you). then pretty quickly assesses the situation and turns back to the event, not being (or at least not appearing to be) the least bit rattled. It's "admirable" because if one day for some reason thousands of people were gathered to listen to you speak, that's almost exactly how you should hope to handle yourself. There is nothing about Trump's reaction that is out of the ordinary. He turns to see what's happening, he sees the situation is perfectly under control, and apparently receives a confirmation from an agent that he's good to go. There is no reason at all for him to behave any differently, except perhaps by telling the secret service to go easy on the guy. I can't help but notice that you cut off the second part of my post: what about his usual calls for the protesters to get beaten up? Is it admirable to usually incite to physical violence? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
On March 13 2016 05:49 kwizach wrote: I am serious. How else would you expect anyone else to behave? edit: except perhaps by asking the Secret Service to go easy on the guy. Idk, the secret service guy seems to be taking it pretty easy. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tzbCQXX.jpg) edit: You know, when you charge at someone thats protected by the fucking secret service... expect to get your shit kicked in. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On March 13 2016 06:03 zeo wrote: Idk, the secret service guy seems to be taking it pretty easy. If this was house of cards, someone from Trump's camp would have hired the atacker. #Conway for president | ||
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oBlade
United States6648 Posts
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On March 13 2016 06:10 oBlade wrote: I feel like I am dealing with people who would call Trump racist for wearing a pair of black socks. There's not one aspect of the candidate or anything he says or does that those people will concede common ground or agree with, or view favorably, or not somehow find fault with. There's something irrational about that. Be careful, soon they'll be starting calling you 'fascist' or making comparison between Trump/Berlusconi/Hitler etc... | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On March 13 2016 06:10 oBlade wrote: I feel like I am dealing with people who would call Trump racist for wearing a pair of black socks. There's not one aspect of the candidate or anything he says or does that those people will concede common ground or agree with, or view favorably, or not somehow find fault with. There's something irrational about that. You're dealing with people who call Trump racist, xenophobic and sexist for making racist, xenophobic and sexist comments. And we're dealing with people who bend over backwards to justify every single comment by him (who literally don't even call out a Nazi salute by a Trump supporter for what it is), and who shower him with praise when he does literally nothing but turn around, notice the secret service is handling a protester, and then turn back around. How is he so brave and composed?! I can't help but notice that you still haven't replied to the second part of my post: what about his usual calls for the protesters to get beaten up? Is it admirable to usually incite to physical violence? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 13 2016 06:03 zeo wrote: Idk, the secret service guy seems to be taking it pretty easy. edit: You know, when you charge at someone thats protected by the fucking secret service... expect to get your shit kicked in. I dunno, Secret Service should really work on their ground game. That headlock in that position doesn't do anything from bottom side control. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On March 13 2016 06:11 SoSexy wrote: Be careful, soon they'll be starting calling you 'fascist' or making comparison between Trump/Berlusconi/Hitler etc... Well he is the American version of Berlusconi, 100% machismo and nothing else. Worked great for the Italians. As far as fascism goes, you can go through the list yourself | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 13 2016 06:10 oBlade wrote: I feel like I am dealing with people who would call Trump racist for wearing a pair of black socks. There's not one aspect of the candidate or anything he says or does that those people will concede common ground or agree with, or view favorably, or not somehow find fault with. There's something irrational about that. Self-victimizing is common among people who hold extremist views. After all, it's the others who are showing intolerance for my intolerance, thus they're clearly the bad people, right? | ||
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oBlade
United States6648 Posts
On March 13 2016 06:16 wei2coolman wrote: I dunno, Secret Service should really work on their ground game. That headlock in that position doesn't do anything from bottom side control. Those suits aren't great for agility so I guess they wear them to conceal all those gadgets - I don't know if it's just the angle but you can see his bulletproof vest. | ||
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