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On March 01 2016 03:32 Deathstar wrote:
If you want to save someone from drug addiction, they need to first hit rock bottom. Our dear Republicans are enjoying the high of racism. We need Trump to become the Republican nominee and get crushed if we want to save them.
Therefore, I will be enjoying Trump as much as possible while I can and hope he wins everywhere tomorrow.
Racism exists in both parties. Certain Democrats want to enslave minority voters to the Democrat Party via handouts and crying racism where it does not exist. And those Democrats control the Democrat Party.
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racism works as a bedrock gop strategy for like half a century not sure why it would stop now
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BREAKING NEWS YA'LL
Clarence Thomas Breaks 10 Years of Silence at Supreme Court
Breaking a decade-long silence, Justice Clarence Thomas on Monday asked several questions from the Supreme Court bench. He spoke just weeks after the death of Justice Antonin Scalia, whose empty seat next to Justice Thomas’s remains draped in black.
It was hard to escape the conclusion that the absence of the voluble Justice Scalia, who had dominated Supreme Court arguments for nearly 30 years on the bench, somehow liberated Justice Thomas and allowed him to resume participating in the court’s most public activity.
Justice Thomas’s questions came in a minor case on domestic violence convictions and gun rights. He asked a series of questions about whether misdemeanor convictions can permanently suspend a constitutional right.
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It should be very clear to everyone that Trump is a master media manipulator, and far more skilled at it than any other politician in the race. This is why I'm not buying this notion Trump is going to be exposed come the general election or that the democrats are going to get out some message on Trump that isn't already out there.
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On March 01 2016 03:31 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:02 puerk wrote:
it says in your quoted text where the rumors started, his father was actually lying about his heritage, by claming the family came from sweden, and invented a lot of stuff about it.... somewhere in that boogalo the name itself got questioned You know i watched the whole thing because of this Drumpf meme and I still don't get how little material they have to resort to using 'lol funny surname amirite!?!?' as the punch line. Sure Oliver has a demographic he panders to (people that take politifact seriously) but its just so... meh? He had months to prepare this, ever since he said he would never mention Trump on his show, ever. It's been months, and its just a string of character assassinations, ad hominem, no mention of policies, some more ad hominem, some more character assassination and the zinger is 'lol thats not even his real surname lol'. And then you have the usual blogs and 'quasi-journalists but basically bloggers' say 'Trump is surely done for now, he got owned'. Who's gonna take this seriously? Not anyone with a remote chance of voting for a Republican. It just goes to show you how out of touch these people have become with reality. Take Sanders voters for example, the first to jump on the Trump is raysist train. But when Hillary sweeps SC all of the sudden its 'stupid blacks dont know whats in their interest', 'wtf black people', 'we would have won if it wasnt for the black people being uneducated'. And the mental gymnastics these people go though is unreal. They have thrown everything at the kitchen sink at Trump and he is still winning and its killing them. Look at Oliver, he has basically resorted to 'youre ancestor changed his name 400 years ago, some heritage youve got haha!'. Is this actually funny to people now? Whats next? You're not white enough like us orange face haha!
You are taking this one joke by a comedian far too seriously lol.
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You can't spell "reactionary" without "react" 
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On March 01 2016 03:47 xDaunt wrote:
It should be very clear to everyone that Trump is a master media manipulator, and far more skilled at it than any other politician in the race. This is why I'm not buying this notion Trump is going to be exposed come the general election or that the democrats are going to get out some message on Trump that isn't already out there.
He's already exposed, that's the point. He's already got the highest unfavorability ratings out of everyone, and they've remained steady for the last few months. And in the general election, he won't be facing candidates too afraid to expose him for the buffoon that he is, he'll be facing someone who's competent, experienced, a policy wonk, who's going to have a much more inspirational message than him, and who won't hesitate to shut him down during the debates (debates in which he will actually have to give longer answers than what he's used to, which will lead people to be a bit more aware of the fact that the same thirty words keep being repeated). You can bet that he knows this himself, and will try to prepare accordingly. He won't have enough time, though (and even less so if Rubio hangs around until the convention).
The only issue on which Hillary's going to have to prepare an actual defense is going to be her speeches in front of members of financial institutions. It's not too hard to do -- she has to link those speeches to her robust financial sector reform plan ("we need them, but we need to regulate them better"), and highlight that Trump is running for the 1% based on what he's displayed so far.
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On March 01 2016 03:47 xDaunt wrote:
It should be very clear to everyone that Trump is a master media manipulator, and far more skilled at it than any other politician in the race. This is why I'm not buying this notion Trump is going to be exposed come the general election or that the democrats are going to get out some message on Trump that isn't already out there.
Honestly I'm just excited to see how he pulls it off. I share your faith in Trump's media manipulation. It's terrible but holy hell is it effective... He is remarkably capable and I really don't buy the notion that people gave him the election on accident. I think the entire GOP field fell into his trap. I think that's distinct from him stumbling his way to 49%. That does not happen on accident. The way he took down Bush in particular was just brilliant in retrospect. He basically framed Bush to be such a joke that he invented his own extra Bush stigma. He made it uncool to like Bush.
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On March 01 2016 03:09 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:06 Introvert wrote:
If the establishment really wanted to stop Trump, they would go to Cruz. He will have more delegates, and it's more likely that a random Cruz supporter would go to Trump than a Rubio voter. But they hate Cruz too, so they are praying Rubio gets enough delegates that a contested convention steal isn't meet with full blown voter revolt.
So if anyone should leave (besides Kasich and Carson), it should be Rubio. I don't see how Trump doesn't run third party if Rubio steals the nomination. The only more hated person by the establishment then Trump is Cruz. Not happening.
Entirely true and yet you can expect the Republican elite to become even more confused and disoriented after tomorrow when Rubio fails to accomplish anything except to fall further behind.
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On March 01 2016 03:31 zeo wrote:
Look at Oliver, he has basically resorted to 'youre ancestor changed his name 400 years ago, some heritage youve got haha!'. Is this actually funny to people now? Whats next? You're not white enough like us orange face haha!
Drumpf meme comes from Trump writing a twitter in regards the real Jon Stewart's surname, "he shouldn't change his name, and to be proud of his heritage". Irony. And yeah, it was kind of funny.
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On March 01 2016 03:47 xDaunt wrote:
It should be very clear to everyone that Trump is a master media manipulator, and far more skilled at it than any other politician in the race. This is why I'm not buying this notion Trump is going to be exposed come the general election or that the democrats are going to get out some message on Trump that isn't already out there.
Good lord, I just can't stop agreeing with xDaunt...
Trump's got you all in a tizzy and people have fallen for the media narrative that Sanders campaign is all but dead, meanwhile we're looking to break $40 million just in February BernieSanders.com/FECDeadline .
That's without a bunch of big fancy $500-$2700 a plate dinners for Wall St or having Walmart heirs throwing piles of cash at him.
Think based off of the most recent numbers Bernie has just slightly less than 100% more individual donors with even more individual contributions (despite Hillary's pushes for $1 donations).
The media is doing it's damnedest to bury Bernie and based off of the conversation here, people who weren't Bernie supporters are actually falling for it.
Trump and the media are manipulating the shit out of you and you all seem totally blind to it.
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Gh, that lunch money is meaningless unless it turns into votes. Look at bush. Funding doesn't seem to mean much if no one votes for you. We'll see how it translates tomorrow.
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On March 01 2016 04:01 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:47 xDaunt wrote:
It should be very clear to everyone that Trump is a master media manipulator, and far more skilled at it than any other politician in the race. This is why I'm not buying this notion Trump is going to be exposed come the general election or that the democrats are going to get out some message on Trump that isn't already out there. Honestly I'm just excited to see how he pulls it off. I share your faith in Trump's media manipulation. It's terrible but holy hell is it effective... He is remarkably capable and I really don't buy the notion that people gave him the election on accident. I think the entire GOP field fell into his trap. I think that's distinct from him stumbling his way to 49%. That does not happen on accident. The way he took down Bush in particular was just brilliant in retrospect. He basically framed Bush to be such a joke that he invented his own extra Bush stigma. He made it uncool to like Bush.
It hardly took a Trump trap. The GOP had already dug a hole on immigration, and Trump by nature of being Trump pounded the winning issue the loudest. Cruz didn't get the media time nor spectacle, Rubio was on the wrong side of the issue, and Bush has trouble being on the right side of any issue.
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On March 01 2016 04:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
The media is doing it's damnedest to bury Bernie and based off of the conversation here, people who weren't Bernie supporters are actually falling for it.
Voters are doing that, not the media.
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On March 01 2016 04:25 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 04:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
The media is doing it's damnedest to bury Bernie and based off of the conversation here, people who weren't Bernie supporters are actually falling for it. Voters are doing that, not the media.
Agreed. Bernie is a good candidate in general, but voters are not convinced. I personally think he would do a good job as president, but I don’t think he has done enough to convince people of that. And I don’t think the “media” has been overly unfair to him.
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On March 01 2016 04:00 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:47 xDaunt wrote:
It should be very clear to everyone that Trump is a master media manipulator, and far more skilled at it than any other politician in the race. This is why I'm not buying this notion Trump is going to be exposed come the general election or that the democrats are going to get out some message on Trump that isn't already out there. He's already exposed, that's the point. He's already got the highest unfavorability ratings out of everyone, and they've remained steady for the last few months. And in the general election, he won't be facing candidates too afraid to expose him for the buffoon that he is, he'll be facing someone who's competent, experienced, a policy wonk, who's going to have a much more inspirational message than him, and who won't hesitate to shut him down during the debates (debates in which he will actually have to give longer answers than what he's used to, which will lead people to be a bit more aware of the fact that the same thirty words keep being repeated). You can bet that he knows this himself, and will try to prepare accordingly. He won't have enough time, though (and even less so if Rubio hangs around until the convention). The only issue on which Hillary's going to have to prepare an actual defense is going to be her speeches in front of members of financial institutions. It's not too hard to do -- she has to link those speeches to her robust financial sector reform plan ("we need them, but we need to regulate them better"), and highlight that Trump is running for the 1% based on what he's displayed so far.
I promise you that Trump is going to hit her on a lot more than just this issue. He's going to hammer her as being an incompetent secretary of state and wrong on a whole host of foreign policy issues (Iraq, Iran, Russia, Libya, etc), and we're really going to have a lot of fun when Trump accuses her of being an enabler of a serial rapist.
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Yes, underestimating Trump on the basis hat hes a buffoon is not a good idea. Successful politicians in charisma-based elections are most of the time some sort of more or less sinister buffoons, not highly skilled technicians.
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On March 01 2016 04:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 04:00 kwizach wrote:On March 01 2016 03:47 xDaunt wrote:
It should be very clear to everyone that Trump is a master media manipulator, and far more skilled at it than any other politician in the race. This is why I'm not buying this notion Trump is going to be exposed come the general election or that the democrats are going to get out some message on Trump that isn't already out there. He's already exposed, that's the point. He's already got the highest unfavorability ratings out of everyone, and they've remained steady for the last few months. And in the general election, he won't be facing candidates too afraid to expose him for the buffoon that he is, he'll be facing someone who's competent, experienced, a policy wonk, who's going to have a much more inspirational message than him, and who won't hesitate to shut him down during the debates (debates in which he will actually have to give longer answers than what he's used to, which will lead people to be a bit more aware of the fact that the same thirty words keep being repeated). You can bet that he knows this himself, and will try to prepare accordingly. He won't have enough time, though (and even less so if Rubio hangs around until the convention). The only issue on which Hillary's going to have to prepare an actual defense is going to be her speeches in front of members of financial institutions. It's not too hard to do -- she has to link those speeches to her robust financial sector reform plan ("we need them, but we need to regulate them better"), and highlight that Trump is running for the 1% based on what he's displayed so far. I promise you that Trump is going to hit her on a lot more than just this issue. He's going to hammer her as being an incompetent secretary of state and wrong on a whole host of foreign policy issues (Iraq, Iran, Russia, Libya, etc), and we're really going to have a lot of fun when Trump accuses her of being an enabler of a serial rapist.
Of course he's going to hit her on more than just that issue, but she won't have any trouble shutting him down. If he even attempts to bring up the countries you mention, he'll make a fool out of himself by being incapable of sustaining a high-level exchange on these topics with her. She'll appear ready to be commander-in-chief and not him.
The issue I mentioned is where she's currently more vulnerable to him -- but as time goes by, the "self-funding campaign" myth is going to keep disappearing, so he'll probably have less ammo to use in this respect come the general election (he's obviously still going to hammer her on it, though).
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On March 01 2016 04:25 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 04:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
The media is doing it's damnedest to bury Bernie and based off of the conversation here, people who weren't Bernie supporters are actually falling for it. Voters are doing that, not the media.
Voters in Nevada, South Carolina, New Hampshire, and Iowa can hardly be chalked up as "voters" in the general sense. Moreover, to entirely discount the media's preference for establishment candidates is to play a game of see no evil, hear no evil. Nevertheless, your assertion becomes either much stronger or much weaker tomorrow, so we'll have to wait and see 
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On March 01 2016 04:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 04:25 kwizach wrote:On March 01 2016 04:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
The media is doing it's damnedest to bury Bernie and based off of the conversation here, people who weren't Bernie supporters are actually falling for it. Voters are doing that, not the media. Agreed. Bernie is a good candidate in general, but voters are not convinced. I personally think he would do a good job as president, but I don’t think he has done enough to convince people of that. And I don’t think the “media” has been overly unfair to him.
You mean in ignoring him all the way up until the voting started, in trying to put the nail in his coffin yesterday instead of even mentioning the marches for him across the country, the list goes on and on. They've been nowhere near remotely fair.
The whole "voters are rejecting him" is also bullshit, donors are voters. More people have voted for Bernie than Hillary up until SC too. You all are definitely being manipulated or you can't draw the lines between Hillary receiving support from folks like the Walton family and her real positions. Like pushing TPP before she realized she had to come out against it for example.
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