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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 29 2016 17:03 GMT
#61381
On March 01 2016 02:01 zeo wrote:
So what's the deal with this Drumpf meme?


On February 29 2016 21:30 Plansix wrote:
Also:



John Oliver on Trump. The section about Trump not knowing what the truth is or just not caring is the most terrifying part IMO. I don't want a guy who true believes whatever headcannon he creates being president.


tl;dr: Somewhere down the line someone changed the name from Drumpf to Trump
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ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
February 29 2016 17:04 GMT
#61382
On March 01 2016 01:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 01:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
I like how agitated you guys are on this anti Trump thing without providing any proofs.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/03/the-lawsuits-of-donald-trump/273819/

Is this enough?


Thank you.

Yeah that link showed that he won a lawsuit vs Miss USA contestant Sheena Monnin and have never went forward with actually suing Lawrence O'Donnell for saying that he is worth less.

So much for Plansix's arguments...
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 29 2016 17:05 GMT
#61383
For all of you think that Trump will lose on account of debate performances this fall, let me remind you of the following name: George W. Bush.

And let's not forget how little of Trump's actual platform that we know about right now. When it comes to Trump, there are only three things that I'm fairly certain of:

1) He's going to build his wall and shut down illegal immigration.
2) He's a throwback to pre-WW2 American isolationism.
3) He's a protectionist in the mold of pre-WW2 republicans.

Beyond these three core issues, Trump is basically an enigma. For example, and reading between the lines, I think that he's in favor of a single payer / Medicare for all type of reform to healthcare, but I don't really know. In short, Trump has a lot of room to maneuver to create a platform during the general election that best counters Hillary.

And regardless of whether Trump wins the general, the damage has already been done to the neocon arm of the Republican Party.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 29 2016 17:10 GMT
#61384
you forgot his huge tax cut and 'distrust' of government.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-29 17:12:23
February 29 2016 17:10 GMT
#61385
On March 01 2016 02:03 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:01 zeo wrote:
So what's the deal with this Drumpf meme?


Show nested quote +
On February 29 2016 21:30 Plansix wrote:
Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

John Oliver on Trump. The section about Trump not knowing what the truth is or just not caring is the most terrifying part IMO. I don't want a guy who true believes whatever headcannon he creates being president.


tl;dr: Somewhere down the line someone changed the name from Drumpf to Trump

So? I don't get it... is that funny? Did Trumps grandfather change his name because of Mein Kampf? A Nazi joke?

edit: I watched that video till Oliver used Politifact as a source un-ironically around the 3-4min mark and just laughed and went to do something else.
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-29 17:13:13
February 29 2016 17:12 GMT
#61386
On March 01 2016 02:04 ErectedZenith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 01:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 01 2016 01:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
I like how agitated you guys are on this anti Trump thing without providing any proofs.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/03/the-lawsuits-of-donald-trump/273819/

Is this enough?


Thank you.

Yeah that link showed that he won a lawsuit vs Miss USA contestant Sheena Monnin and have never went forward with actually suing Lawrence O'Donnell for saying that he is worth less.

So much for Plansix's arguments...

I like how you took the one case he won as evidence that he isn’t’ the biggest looser when it comes to lawsuits. He settles lawsuits all the time, despite is claim. He loses more than he wins, not matter what he claims. And he threatens to sue all the time, but backs down when it becomes clear that the legal defense would be robust.

The man is the definition of looser, so much so that he has to threaten everyone who points it out. He is much like McCarthy, who claimed everyone who criticized him was a communist.

On March 01 2016 02:10 oneofthem wrote:
you forgot his huge tax cut and 'distrust' of government.


And saying we need to kill all terrorist families to stop them and torture is super good. Just causally saying we need to commit war crimes. No big deal.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
February 29 2016 17:12 GMT
#61387
On March 01 2016 02:10 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:03 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:01 zeo wrote:
So what's the deal with this Drumpf meme?


On February 29 2016 21:30 Plansix wrote:
Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

John Oliver on Trump. The section about Trump not knowing what the truth is or just not caring is the most terrifying part IMO. I don't want a guy who true believes whatever headcannon he creates being president.


tl;dr: Somewhere down the line someone changed the name from Drumpf to Trump

So? I don't get it... is that funny? Did Trumps grandfather change his name because of Mein Kampf? A Nazi joke?


Its because he attacked Jon Stewart for changing his name saying he should be proud of his heritage (then lied about doing it). Oliver just did the same thing as a joke because one of Trumps ancestors changed their name.
Never Knows Best.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-29 17:14:45
February 29 2016 17:14 GMT
#61388
On March 01 2016 02:10 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:03 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:01 zeo wrote:
So what's the deal with this Drumpf meme?


On February 29 2016 21:30 Plansix wrote:
Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

John Oliver on Trump. The section about Trump not knowing what the truth is or just not caring is the most terrifying part IMO. I don't want a guy who true believes whatever headcannon he creates being president.


tl;dr: Somewhere down the line someone changed the name from Drumpf to Trump

So? I don't get it... is that funny? Did Trumps grandfather change his name because of Mein Kampf? A Nazi joke?

he made fun of Jon Stewart for changing his last name and said he should be proud of his heritage. It's a joke based on telling someone to not change their last name even if you hated your father (for whatever reason) and having someone in your family who did the same thing.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 29 2016 17:23 GMT
#61389
While tomorrow won't be the last nail in the coffin, Rubio is probably toast unless he pulls a surprise win somewhere. His best chance is Oklahoma, which is to say he doesn't have much chance at all.

Meanwhile Cruz is going to beat Trump in Texas and pick up a disproportionate number of the state's delegates while he's at it. As a result he'll not only have notched up the only wins against Trump, but he'll have a significant delegate lead on Rubio. With Rubio's polling in Florida abysmal, there's going to be a lot of questions in the news about his chances, with all signs pointing to "Nope".
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 29 2016 17:23 GMT
#61390
On March 01 2016 02:10 oneofthem wrote:
you forgot his huge tax cut and 'distrust' of government.

Distrust of government isn't really an articulable policy. Maybe Trump will be a great champion of federalism (such as with his education reform proposals), but I'm not counting on it. And yeah, he'll definitely want to do something to taxes -- particularly corporate taxes.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 29 2016 17:27 GMT
#61391
On March 01 2016 02:23 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:10 oneofthem wrote:
you forgot his huge tax cut and 'distrust' of government.

Distrust of government isn't really an articulable policy. Maybe Trump will be a great champion of federalism (such as with his education reform proposals), but I'm not counting on it. And yeah, he'll definitely want to do something to taxes -- particularly corporate taxes.

if you cut the amount of tax he wants to cut then he has to cut government too.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-29 17:36:13
February 29 2016 17:35 GMT
#61392
On March 01 2016 02:12 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:10 zeo wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:03 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:01 zeo wrote:
So what's the deal with this Drumpf meme?


On February 29 2016 21:30 Plansix wrote:
Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

John Oliver on Trump. The section about Trump not knowing what the truth is or just not caring is the most terrifying part IMO. I don't want a guy who true believes whatever headcannon he creates being president.


tl;dr: Somewhere down the line someone changed the name from Drumpf to Trump

So? I don't get it... is that funny? Did Trumps grandfather change his name because of Mein Kampf? A Nazi joke?


Its because he attacked Jon Stewart for changing his name saying he should be proud of his heritage (then lied about doing it). Oliver just did the same thing as a joke because one of Trumps ancestors changed their name.

Ok, so a quick Google search shows his grandfather was called Frederic Drumpf, but another source says the family name changed in the 17th century. People changed family names all the time in the 17th century, hell, my family name changed three times in the last 300 years because brothers couldn't get along or just wanted to name their family after themselves.

So Drumpf is a slur or something? Whats the end-game here? It's a surname which takes longer to pronounce than Trump.
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-29 17:36:45
February 29 2016 17:36 GMT
#61393
Inb4 Trump pulls a Julius Ceaser while in office saying he is president for life and no one stops him until a senator (probably Cruz) stabs him on the senate floor.
Never Knows Best.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 29 2016 17:37 GMT
#61394
On March 01 2016 02:35 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:12 Slaughter wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:10 zeo wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:03 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:01 zeo wrote:
So what's the deal with this Drumpf meme?


On February 29 2016 21:30 Plansix wrote:
Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

John Oliver on Trump. The section about Trump not knowing what the truth is or just not caring is the most terrifying part IMO. I don't want a guy who true believes whatever headcannon he creates being president.


tl;dr: Somewhere down the line someone changed the name from Drumpf to Trump

So? I don't get it... is that funny? Did Trumps grandfather change his name because of Mein Kampf? A Nazi joke?


Its because he attacked Jon Stewart for changing his name saying he should be proud of his heritage (then lied about doing it). Oliver just did the same thing as a joke because one of Trumps ancestors changed their name.

Ok, so a quick Google search shows his grandfather was called Frederic Drumpf, but another source says the family name changed in the 17th century. People changed family names all the time in the 17th century, hell, my family name changed three times in the last 300 years because brothers couldn't get along or just wanted to name their family after themselves.

So Drumpf is a slur or something? Whats the end-game here? It's a surname which takes longer to pronounce than Trump.


It's a joke made by a comedian.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
February 29 2016 17:37 GMT
#61395
On March 01 2016 02:35 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:12 Slaughter wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:10 zeo wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:03 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:01 zeo wrote:
So what's the deal with this Drumpf meme?


On February 29 2016 21:30 Plansix wrote:
Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

John Oliver on Trump. The section about Trump not knowing what the truth is or just not caring is the most terrifying part IMO. I don't want a guy who true believes whatever headcannon he creates being president.


tl;dr: Somewhere down the line someone changed the name from Drumpf to Trump

So? I don't get it... is that funny? Did Trumps grandfather change his name because of Mein Kampf? A Nazi joke?


Its because he attacked Jon Stewart for changing his name saying he should be proud of his heritage (then lied about doing it). Oliver just did the same thing as a joke because one of Trumps ancestors changed their name.

Ok, so a quick Google search shows his grandfather was called Frederic Drumpf, but another source says the family name changed in the 17th century. People changed family names all the time in the 17th century, hell, my family name changed three times in the last 300 years because brothers couldn't get along or just wanted to name their family after themselves.

So Drumpf is a slur or something? Whats the end-game here? It's a surname which takes longer to pronounce than Trump.

It's John Oliver's way of dispelling the reputation of the name Trump to something more ridiculous sounding like Drumpf.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-29 17:41:52
February 29 2016 17:38 GMT
#61396
On March 01 2016 02:35 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:12 Slaughter wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:10 zeo wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:03 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:01 zeo wrote:
So what's the deal with this Drumpf meme?


On February 29 2016 21:30 Plansix wrote:
Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

John Oliver on Trump. The section about Trump not knowing what the truth is or just not caring is the most terrifying part IMO. I don't want a guy who true believes whatever headcannon he creates being president.


tl;dr: Somewhere down the line someone changed the name from Drumpf to Trump

So? I don't get it... is that funny? Did Trumps grandfather change his name because of Mein Kampf? A Nazi joke?


Its because he attacked Jon Stewart for changing his name saying he should be proud of his heritage (then lied about doing it). Oliver just did the same thing as a joke because one of Trumps ancestors changed their name.

Ok, so a quick Google search shows his grandfather was called Frederic Drumpf, but another source says the family name changed in the 17th century. People changed family names all the time in the 17th century, hell, my family name changed three times in the last 300 years because brothers couldn't get along or just wanted to name their family after themselves.

So Drumpf is a slur or something? Whats the end-game here? It's a surname which takes longer to pronounce than Trump.

you're completely missing the point

noone is (seriously) saying Drumpf is a stupid name or at least that's not the intention although people are making fun of it. People are saying you should not shit on other people for changing their last name when someone in your family did that as well. Especially when you put your name in giant letters on big buildings.
Therefore people are calling him Drumpf to remind him that the same thing happened in his family and he should not shit on other people for that.

and yes, the above: It's a joke based on this ridiculousness from a comedian. Don't take it too serious.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 29 2016 17:40 GMT
#61397
On March 01 2016 02:27 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:23 xDaunt wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:10 oneofthem wrote:
you forgot his huge tax cut and 'distrust' of government.

Distrust of government isn't really an articulable policy. Maybe Trump will be a great champion of federalism (such as with his education reform proposals), but I'm not counting on it. And yeah, he'll definitely want to do something to taxes -- particularly corporate taxes.

if you cut the amount of tax he wants to cut then he has to cut government too.

As much as I'd love to see Trump dismantle large portions of the federal government, I'm not holding my breath in expectation that he'll actually do so if elected.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-29 17:41:54
February 29 2016 17:41 GMT
#61398
Someone should write something about a loud-mouthed New York billionaire with bad hair running for national office using the small penis rule.
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ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
February 29 2016 17:43 GMT
#61399
On March 01 2016 02:12 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:04 ErectedZenith wrote:
On March 01 2016 01:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 01 2016 01:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
I like how agitated you guys are on this anti Trump thing without providing any proofs.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/03/the-lawsuits-of-donald-trump/273819/

Is this enough?


Thank you.

Yeah that link showed that he won a lawsuit vs Miss USA contestant Sheena Monnin and have never went forward with actually suing Lawrence O'Donnell for saying that he is worth less.

So much for Plansix's arguments...

I like how you took the one case he won as evidence that he isn’t’ the biggest looser when it comes to lawsuits. He settles lawsuits all the time, despite is claim. He loses more than he wins, not matter what he claims. And he threatens to sue all the time, but backs down when it becomes clear that the legal defense would be robust.

The man is the definition of looser, so much so that he has to threaten everyone who points it out. He is much like McCarthy, who claimed everyone who criticized him was a communist.

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:10 oneofthem wrote:
you forgot his huge tax cut and 'distrust' of government.


And saying we need to kill all terrorist families to stop them and torture is super good. Just causally saying we need to commit war crimes. No big deal.


Still not providing any proofs I see.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-29 17:50:15
February 29 2016 17:46 GMT
#61400
On March 01 2016 02:43 ErectedZenith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2016 02:04 ErectedZenith wrote:
On March 01 2016 01:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 01 2016 01:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
I like how agitated you guys are on this anti Trump thing without providing any proofs.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/03/the-lawsuits-of-donald-trump/273819/

Is this enough?


Thank you.

Yeah that link showed that he won a lawsuit vs Miss USA contestant Sheena Monnin and have never went forward with actually suing Lawrence O'Donnell for saying that he is worth less.

So much for Plansix's arguments...

I like how you took the one case he won as evidence that he isn’t’ the biggest looser when it comes to lawsuits. He settles lawsuits all the time, despite is claim. He loses more than he wins, not matter what he claims. And he threatens to sue all the time, but backs down when it becomes clear that the legal defense would be robust.

The man is the definition of looser, so much so that he has to threaten everyone who points it out. He is much like McCarthy, who claimed everyone who criticized him was a communist.

On March 01 2016 02:10 oneofthem wrote:
you forgot his huge tax cut and 'distrust' of government.


And saying we need to kill all terrorist families to stop them and torture is super good. Just causally saying we need to commit war crimes. No big deal.


Still not providing any proofs I see.

the link you just read has 1 he "won" and the other ones he either lost, didn't do or settled (which he claims he never does because he always wins)

The very first example
In January 2006, Trump filed a $5 billion lawsuit against author Timothy O'Brien and his publisher for understating Trump's wealth. In his book Trump Nation, O'Brien reported that three people close to Trump had estimated his worth at between $150 and $250 million. Trump, who said he had told O'Brien that he was worth between $4 billion and $6 billion, claimed that O'Brien's low estimate had hurt his reputation and cost him specific business deals. Trump's suit was dismissed in July 2009, and his subsequent appeal failed in September 2011.
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