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Yeah that link showed that he won a lawsuit vs Miss USA contestant Sheena Monnin and have never went forward with actually suing Lawrence O'Donnell for saying that he is worth less.
So much for Plansix's arguments...
I like how you took the one case he won as evidence that he isn’t’ the biggest looser when it comes to lawsuits. He settles lawsuits all the time, despite is claim. He loses more than he wins, not matter what he claims. And he threatens to sue all the time, but backs down when it becomes clear that the legal defense would be robust.
The man is the definition of looser, so much so that he has to threaten everyone who points it out. He is much like McCarthy, who claimed everyone who criticized him was a communist.
On March 01 2016 02:10 oneofthem wrote: you forgot his huge tax cut and 'distrust' of government.
And saying we need to kill all terrorist families to stop them and torture is super good. Just causally saying we need to commit war crimes. No big deal.
Still not providing any proofs I see.
the link you just read has 1 he "won" and the other ones he either lost, didn't do or settled (which he claims he never does because he always wins)
Didn't do = doesn't count.
If he got the most out of a settlement, he won.
The point is that Plansix prior said that he always loses his lawsuit and he lost a lawsuit vs a guy who said that Trump is worth less.
Both are completely bullshit but hey I'm not surprised to see anti-Trump guys lying.
On March 01 2016 02:01 zeo wrote: So what's the deal with this Drumpf meme?
On February 29 2016 21:30 Plansix wrote: Also:
John Oliver on Trump. The section about Trump not knowing what the truth is or just not caring is the most terrifying part IMO. I don't want a guy who true believes whatever headcannon he creates being president.
tl;dr: Somewhere down the line someone changed the name from Drumpf to Trump
So? I don't get it... is that funny? Did Trumps grandfather change his name because of Mein Kampf? A Nazi joke?
Its because he attacked Jon Stewart for changing his name saying he should be proud of his heritage (then lied about doing it). Oliver just did the same thing as a joke because one of Trumps ancestors changed their name.
Ok, so a quick Google search shows his grandfather was called Frederic Drumpf, but another source says the family name changed in the 17th century. People changed family names all the time in the 17th century, hell, my family name changed three times in the last 300 years because brothers couldn't get along or just wanted to name their family after themselves.
So Drumpf is a slur or something? Whats the end-game here? It's a surname which takes longer to pronounce than Trump.
and yes, the above: It's a joke based on this ridiculousness from a comedian. Don't take it too serious.
People seem to be taking it seriously enough if there is already a Drumpf subreddit. Anyway...
Und er hieß auch schon immer Trump, nie Drumpf, auch wenn sich diese Falschinformation hartnäckig hält.
'And his name was always Trump, never Drumpf, even if this false piece of information continues to be spread.'
So it can't be his grandfather, his greatgrandfather was called Christian J Trump so it can't be him. Even his German relatives are called Trump, not Trumpf, so it wasn't Trumpf in the first place. Where do these rumors even start?
Yeah that link showed that he won a lawsuit vs Miss USA contestant Sheena Monnin and have never went forward with actually suing Lawrence O'Donnell for saying that he is worth less.
So much for Plansix's arguments...
I like how you took the one case he won as evidence that he isn’t’ the biggest looser when it comes to lawsuits. He settles lawsuits all the time, despite is claim. He loses more than he wins, not matter what he claims. And he threatens to sue all the time, but backs down when it becomes clear that the legal defense would be robust.
The man is the definition of looser, so much so that he has to threaten everyone who points it out. He is much like McCarthy, who claimed everyone who criticized him was a communist.
On March 01 2016 02:10 oneofthem wrote: you forgot his huge tax cut and 'distrust' of government.
And saying we need to kill all terrorist families to stop them and torture is super good. Just causally saying we need to commit war crimes. No big deal.
Still not providing any proofs I see.
the link you just read has 1 he "won" and the other ones he either lost, didn't do or settled (which he claims he never does because he always wins)
Didn't do = doesn't count.
If he got the most out of a settlement, he won.
The point is that Plansix prior said that he always loses his lawsuit and he lost a lawsuit vs a guy who said that Trump is worth less.
Both are completely bullshit but hey I'm not surprised to see anti-Trump guys lying.
in which case none of the ones matter except for the ones he lost. And there are a couple in there. The one he did "win" he didn't get anything out of, so doesn't matter according to you. The other settlements he didn't get anything out of either. Example, he sued Deutsche Bank for 3Billion. HE (still) has to pay THEM 40 million after the settlement. If you want to call that a win for him sure...
And yes he lost the lawsuit TWICE vs the guy who said Trump is worth less. It's the first point in the list. The very first example
In January 2006, Trump filed a $5 billion lawsuit against author Timothy O'Brien and his publisher for understating Trump's wealth. In his book Trump Nation, O'Brien reported that three people close to Trump had estimated his worth at between $150 and $250 million. Trump, who said he had told O'Brien that he was worth between $4 billion and $6 billion, claimed that O'Brien's low estimate had hurt his reputation and cost him specific business deals. Trump's suit was dismissed in July 2009, and his subsequent appeal failed in September 2011.
it says in your quoted text where the rumors started, his father was actually lying about his heritage, by claming the family came from sweden, and invented a lot of stuff about it.... somewhere in that boogalo the name itself got questioned
If the establishment really wanted to stop Trump, they would go to Cruz. He will have more delegates, and it's more likely that a random Cruz supporter would go to Trump than a Rubio voter. But they hate Cruz too, so they are praying Rubio gets enough delegates that a contested convention steal isn't meet with full blown voter revolt.
So if anyone should leave (besides Kasich and Carson), it should be Rubio. I don't see how Trump doesn't run third party if Rubio steals the nomination.
More delegates after tomorrow, at least. Probably.
On March 01 2016 03:06 Introvert wrote: If the establishment really wanted to stop Trump, they would go to Cruz. He will have more delegates, and it's more likely that a random Cruz supporter would go to Trump than a Rubio voter. But they hate Cruz too, so they are praying Rubio gets enough delegates that a contested convention steal isn't meet with full blown voter revolt.
So if anyone should leave (besides Kasich and Carson), it should be Rubio. I don't see how Trump doesn't run third party if Rubio steals the nomination.
The only more hated person by the establishment then Trump is Cruz.
Trump is about to seize victory tomorrow. Who cares about Oliver? His satire is not as sharp and funny as Stewart's were. Actually, he's not funny at all except the memes that make fun of him.
1. This focus on the name change is nonsensical. 2. Focus should be on Trump's business failures, of which there are plenty, since many voters are saying this guy is a business genius. 3. Trump is not strongly disassociating himself with white supremacist supporters. This is an unbelievable red flag.
On March 01 2016 03:06 Introvert wrote: If the establishment really wanted to stop Trump, they would go to Cruz. He will have more delegates, and it's more likely that a random Cruz supporter would go to Trump than a Rubio voter. But they hate Cruz too, so they are praying Rubio gets enough delegates that a contested convention steal isn't meet with full blown voter revolt.
So if anyone should leave (besides Kasich and Carson), it should be Rubio. I don't see how Trump doesn't run third party if Rubio steals the nomination.
The only more hated person by the establishment then Trump is Cruz.
Not happening.
I know, many have admitted as much. I think of they didn't believe Trump's personality and bombast were too large of nevatives, they wouldn't have too much of a problem accepting him.
On March 01 2016 03:09 Deathstar wrote: Trump is about to seize victory tomorrow. Who cares about Oliver? His satire is not as sharp and funny as Stewart's were. Actually, he's not funny at all except the memes that make fun of him.
1. This focus on the name change is nonsensical. 2. Focus should be on Trump's business failures, of which there are plenty, since many voters are saying this guy is a business genius. 3. Trump is not strongly disassociating himself with white supremacist supporters. This is an unbelievable red flag.
But advocating to murder families, a Muslim data base and mass deportation might clue us all in that Trump will say anything to get elected. Or hear people praise him.
On March 01 2016 03:06 Introvert wrote: If the establishment really wanted to stop Trump, they would go to Cruz. He will have more delegates, and it's more likely that a random Cruz supporter would go to Trump than a Rubio voter. But they hate Cruz too, so they are praying Rubio gets enough delegates that a contested convention steal isn't meet with full blown voter revolt.
So if anyone should leave (besides Kasich and Carson), it should be Rubio. I don't see how Trump doesn't run third party if Rubio steals the nomination.
The only more hated person by the establishment then Trump is Cruz.
Not happening.
I know, many have admitted as much. I think of they didn't believe Trump's personality and bombast were too large of nevatives, they wouldn't have too much of a problem accepting him.
The leader of the Senate has already said they will drop him like a hot rock. There is no reason for them to work with someone who refuses to even listen to them in any way. There is zero trust and that is what goverment is based on. They have already had that experience with Cruz and its not great.
well maybe trump doesn't distance himself from the kkk because his father was hanging (sorry couldn't pass up on that joke) with them when he was young
I'm not a huge fan of John Oliver (I feel like he just capitalizes on his British accent to make him sound smart) but it's a very different form of "entertainment" from Jon Stewart. It's not investigative reporting, but it does provide more detail on issues rather than just being a news recap. It has it's niche, and he's done a few decent things like the Church of Perpetual Exemption.
EDIT: Y'know, I just had a thought. Hillary could probably destroy Trump by just doing a video series of her reading his tweets. Actually, that sounds brilliant. I'm gonna pat myself on the back for this one.
I generally like Oliver's work and feel he has good writers, which is what make Jon Stewart so cutting. But people also forget that Jon had over a decade of build up until he reached his final form we all know him for. It is not possible to do that out of the gate, because it relies so much on public trust.
The Democratic Party released a video on Sunday slamming Republican presidential hopefuls for their opposition to action on climate change, suggesting the views clash with the reality of rising sea levels and shifting weather patterns.
The video features Republican front-runner Donald Trump and his two closest rivals, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, denying man-made global warming, juxtaposed with images of U.S. flooding, wildfires, droughts and heat waves.
"I'm not a believer in climate change," Trump says during a television news interview featured in the clip. The video can be seen at bit.ly/1Qm5iB8.
"Satellite data show there's been no warming whatsoever," Cruz, a U.S. senator of Texas, says in another news clip.
Rubio, a U.S. senator of Florida, says, "I do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way these scientists are portraying it."
The video aims to put the environmental issue center stage in the November race for the White House.
Democratic presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have both laid out plans to combat climate change, while all five Republican presidential contenders have argued that the problem doesn't exist or have discounted the scope of the issue.
On March 01 2016 03:02 puerk wrote: it says in your quoted text where the rumors started, his father was actually lying about his heritage, by claming the family came from sweden, and invented a lot of stuff about it.... somewhere in that boogalo the name itself got questioned
You know i watched the whole thing because of this Drumpf meme and I still don't get how little material they have to resort to using 'lol funny surname amirite!?!?' as the punch line. Sure Oliver has a demographic he panders to (people that take politifact seriously) but its just so... meh?
He had months to prepare this, ever since he said he would never mention Trump on his show, ever. It's been months, and its just a string of character assassinations, ad hominem, no mention of policies, some more ad hominem, some more character assassination and the zinger is 'lol thats not even his real surname lol'. And then you have the usual blogs and 'quasi-journalists but basically bloggers' say 'Trump is surely done for now, he got owned'.
Who's gonna take this seriously? Not anyone with a remote chance of voting for a Republican. It just goes to show you how out of touch these people have become with reality. Take Sanders voters for example, the first to jump on the Trump is raysist train. But when Hillary sweeps SC all of the sudden its 'stupid blacks dont know whats in their interest', 'wtf black people', 'we would have won if it wasnt for the black people being uneducated'. And the mental gymnastics these people go though is unreal.
They have thrown everything at the kitchen sink at Trump and he is still winning and its killing them. Look at Oliver, he has basically resorted to 'youre ancestor changed his name 400 years ago, some heritage youve got haha!'. Is this actually funny to people now? Whats next? You're not white enough like us orange face haha!
If you want to save someone from drug addiction, they need to first hit rock bottom. Our dear Republicans are enjoying the high of racism. We need Trump to become the Republican nominee and get crushed if we want to save them.
Therefore, I will be enjoying Trump as much as possible while I can and hope he wins everywhere tomorrow.
Well Trump's walking back from this whole KKK thing pretty much puts a lie to the whole 'straight shooter' and 'he's so honest' thing. You can't blame a bad earpiece when you are repeating back 'David Duke' 'white supremacist groups' endorsing you. What part did you not hear?
On March 01 2016 03:32 Falling wrote: Well Trump's walking back from this whole KKK thing pretty much puts a lie to the whole 'straight shooter' and 'he's so honest' thing. You can't blame a bad earpiece when you are repeating back 'David Duke' 'white supremacist groups' endorsing you. What part did you not hear?
The cynic in me appreciates Trump's potential brilliance here and throughout the campaign:
*Crazy question is asked and he responds in a way that seems INSANELY racist or at least complacent with racism*
*Media is like DUDE TRUMP WHAT IN THE FUCK*
*Trump is like "Dude, obviously I do not side with Hitler. wtf are you on about. Media BIAS. This is why I am gonna sue you!"*
As a result, Trump continues to bash the media, stay in the spotlight, and most importantly, completely overshadow Rubio and Cruz. What stories are we hearing about from Rubio? The fact that he's trying to follow Trump's lead by being really aggressive. Cruz? Not much, but a bit of the same thing.
It could be argued that Trump has intentionally been using his media abilities to starve every other candidate. If he can effectively destroy Monday as a news day for the other candidates, he can carry his momentum in super Tuesday and lock this up. In a way, the recent KKK thing could be his winning move in the primary.
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