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ZerglingSoup
Profile Joined June 2009
United States346 Posts
February 12 2016 18:41 GMT
#58061
On February 13 2016 03:35 KwarK wrote:
I shop at Walmart, no issues with the produce or the prices personally.


The fact that they (and many of their suppliers) cheat other people out of a liveable wage in order to provide you with that low price is not an issue?
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ZerglingSoup
Profile Joined June 2009
United States346 Posts
February 12 2016 18:50 GMT
#58062
While we are on the subject, this is my proof of concept for an online database that keeps track of exploitation in global supply chains as reported by major media outlets for the benefit of consumers. I will be working on developing the application in the coming weeks. Please PM me if anyone knows anyone who would be willing to help me get it off the ground. I will be building it in Python/Django.

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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-12 18:51:01
February 12 2016 18:50 GMT
#58063
Average Walmart salary in Georgia is like 13.6 for fulltime, I think 10 or 11 for part time.

I mean it's not great, but it's not awful either. I made 8 bucks an hour as a research associate in a pretty prestigious lab.

EDIT: @ZerglingSoup, that is cool af
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 12 2016 19:00 GMT
#58064
Speaking of cheaper goods, I've been reading the Dorito Effect and it's been pretty troubling for me. Chicken used to be fairly expensive but they were tasty on their own. Now chicken is dirt cheap but they taste like shit. Same goes for vegetables. Vegetables today are less nutritious than they used to be because they are mass produced (each individual vegetable has access to less nutrition per acre) and harvested earlier, but they are cheaper. Not sure how I feel about the trade-off. Never mind the obesity problem that has been following this too.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44174 Posts
February 12 2016 19:02 GMT
#58065
The taste of chicken has not changed. Nor has how nutritious a vegetable is.
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 12 2016 19:06 GMT
#58066
It did change. Vegetables today such as broccoli and tomatoes have less nutrition than their counterpart 50-60 years ago. Taste of chicken have also changed because today's mass produced chicken are based on their ability to grow and gain fat, not on their taste.
rip passion
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44174 Posts
February 12 2016 19:10 GMT
#58067
And how long ago was it that you remember chicken tasting differently?
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6290 Posts
February 12 2016 19:10 GMT
#58068
Are you arguing that obesity is connected to food tasting bad?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 12 2016 19:13 GMT
#58069
Obesity is related to shitty food being cheap, while healthy food costs more. I am sure some of that food tastes different.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6290 Posts
February 12 2016 19:15 GMT
#58070
On February 13 2016 04:13 Plansix wrote:
Obesity is related to shitty food being cheap, while healthy food costs more. I am sure some of that food tastes different.

There's no difference between the food found at Walmart and that at any other average supermarket.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 12 2016 19:17 GMT
#58071
Having tasted meat at Walmart and meat that was bought at the farmers market there is no debate that it taste worse at Walmart. But what Plansix said is true subsidize healthy food instead of shitty food and or just plain stop subsidizing big agriculture.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-12 19:24:47
February 12 2016 19:22 GMT
#58072
I strictly control my spending and diet and I'm not buying this idea that people cannot afford healthy food or that cheap food will make you obese. Hell, it's not unusual for me to go to McDonald's on my lunch and grab a cheeseburger. It's a nice portion size, enough calories to get you another 6 hours until dinner and comes in at just over a dollar. In an attempt to exploit some tax bullshit my food budget has been set pretty low and McDonald's is certainly comparable with brought from home costs when I don't have any leftovers to use. It's not going to make me obese. What will make you obese is eating to excess which is what people do. There is nothing wrong with the food, or the cost, or anything else. What is wrong is the portion sizes.

Similarly Walmart sell perfectly good fresh vegetables at a reasonable price. I went yesterday and picked up some bananas and milk so I could have oats with chopped bananas and milk for breakfast this morning. Chopped green bell peppers, tomatoes and onions are the foundation of a fair number of my meals.

Obesity is related to ignorance and laziness. The existence of options that cater to ignorance and laziness does not mean those options are making people obese, correlation does not equal causation. It's actually not very cheap to eat so much McDonald's you become obese. It's certainly way cheaper to eat a much smaller amount of McDonald's. I know for a fact that I couldn't afford to make myself obese on McDonald's on my current food budget but I can absolutely afford it as a lunch.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-12 19:25:54
February 12 2016 19:22 GMT
#58073
On February 13 2016 04:15 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 04:13 Plansix wrote:
Obesity is related to shitty food being cheap, while healthy food costs more. I am sure some of that food tastes different.

There's no difference between the food found at Walmart and that at any other average supermarket.

This is completely inaccurate. The vegetables at my local Roch brothers are might higher quality, fresher, but cost more. Same with the Star Market. Same with a lot of the meat. You have to be naive to think that Walmart is offering cheaper food of the same quality based on pure buying power. They are not magic.

Edit: Kwark, its not a theory, it is straight up reality. Go look at a ellio's pizza and see the nutritional benefits of it. Then just climb up in price until you end up making your own. The cheaper the food, the worse it is for you. I'm not a young guy any more, I read a lot of labels and most processed or pre-packed food is shit. And fresh vegies are not expensive, but they cost more than the things I am referencing.

And then add on that if you are poor, you are likely working two jobs and don't have time to cook for youself.
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-12 19:25:08
February 12 2016 19:23 GMT
#58074
On February 13 2016 04:10 KwarK wrote:
And how long ago was it that you remember chicken tasting differently?


The tasty chicken train has departed before I was born. There was time people ate chicken without adding herbs, spices, or frying them. And it wasn't that people didn't have access to more flavoring tools back then.

It's also not just that junk food is cheap. Obesity (extreme obesity, and overweight people) is a problem through all incomes. Junk food are straight up tastier while alternatives are bland.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44174 Posts
February 12 2016 19:23 GMT
#58075
On February 13 2016 04:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Having tasted meat at Walmart and meat that was bought at the farmers market there is no debate that it taste worse at Walmart. But what Plansix said is true subsidize healthy food instead of shitty food and or just plain stop subsidizing big agriculture.

Did you do a double blind study? People say the same about preferring wine if you claim one is more expensive. Hell, wine experts used keywords traditionally used to describe red wine (rather than white wine) for white wine dyed red. The brain has a huge influence on sensory perception.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
February 12 2016 19:26 GMT
#58076
"I strictly control my spending and diet"

Don't you think there are people with various life issues that'd make this more difficult, say working two jobs while raising kids?
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44174 Posts
February 12 2016 19:27 GMT
#58077
On February 13 2016 04:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 04:15 oBlade wrote:
On February 13 2016 04:13 Plansix wrote:
Obesity is related to shitty food being cheap, while healthy food costs more. I am sure some of that food tastes different.

There's no difference between the food found at Walmart and that at any other average supermarket.

This is completely inaccurate. The vegetables at my local Roch brothers are might higher quality, fresher, but cost more. Same with the Star Market. Same with a lot of the meat. You have to be naive to think that Walmart is offering cheaper food of the same quality based on pure buying power. They are not magic.

Double blind study and get back to me. Humans believe quality changes with price rather than price changes with quality. We're dumb that way. If you don't charge very much for something then the brain will think it's bad before you even start. If you charge much more than the brain will think it'll be good. Instead of going "this is really good, it should be expensive" we go "this is really expensive, it should be good".

There are business models that exist only because of this phenomenon.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 12 2016 19:28 GMT
#58078
On February 13 2016 04:15 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 04:13 Plansix wrote:
Obesity is related to shitty food being cheap, while healthy food costs more. I am sure some of that food tastes different.

There's no difference between the food found at Walmart and that at any other average supermarket.

True healthy food is not found in supermarkets though, but at your local butcher/baker/vegetable vendor/etc. If that's even a thing in the US.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44174 Posts
February 12 2016 19:28 GMT
#58079
On February 13 2016 04:26 farvacola wrote:
"I strictly control my spending and diet"

Don't you think there are people with various life issues that'd make this more difficult, say working two jobs while raising kids?

I work two jobs and go to school for my Master's at the same time. It's why I regulate my life so much. More shit going on necessitates more control, not less.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-12 19:30:52
February 12 2016 19:30 GMT
#58080
On February 13 2016 04:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 04:15 oBlade wrote:
On February 13 2016 04:13 Plansix wrote:
Obesity is related to shitty food being cheap, while healthy food costs more. I am sure some of that food tastes different.

There's no difference between the food found at Walmart and that at any other average supermarket.

This is completely inaccurate. The vegetables at my local Roch brothers are might higher quality, fresher, but cost more. Same with the Star Market. Same with a lot of the meat. You have to be naive to think that Walmart is offering cheaper food of the same quality based on pure buying power. They are not magic.

Edit: Kwark, its not a theory, it is straight up reality. Go look at a ellio's pizza and see the nutritional benefits of it. Then just climb up in price until you end up making your own. The cheaper the food, the worse it is for you. I'm not a young guy any more, I read a lot of labels and most processed or pre-packed food is shit. And fresh vegies are not expensive, but they cost more than the things I am referencing.

And then add on that if you are poor, you are likely working two jobs and don't have time to cook for youself.

I am working two jobs and going to school, cooking for yourself is fucking easy. Hell, you need only do it like 2-3 times a week if you're good with a few key staples and can mix up leftovers. As for poor, I'm incredibly cashpoor right now because of my financial games.
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