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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-11 20:57:20
February 11 2016 20:55 GMT
#57881
Yeah I got put into AP quite early. I switched schools in 4th grade to an elementary school with a 'gifted' program or something of the sort and from then on was always in whatever school's advanced program. I think a large part of it is thanks to my parents though. My family always placed a very high emphasis on education (even my extended family). I might be rather lucky there as well since the only person with a college education is my mother.

Also seems I was wrong about CC. I was just going off of what I heard other people complain about (should have known better!). I was out of school before CC was implemented anyways.

Another thought that occurred to me is that perhaps older people who haven't been in school for some time have trouble with that sort of material. I know in my math courses (currently in 4th year university) it seemed that the older students were the ones who had the most trouble. Presumably because its been so long since they've had to take any sort of math class. Those are the types who are probably complaining.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
February 11 2016 20:58 GMT
#57882
How about skipping a grade? That's how it's done here.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23476 Posts
February 11 2016 21:02 GMT
#57883
The "CBC" didn't endorse Hillary, the CBC PAC did. They didn't speak with membership just the board. Which has been a pattern with Hillary's endorsements from groups.

I think it's kind of funny that Hillary has bet her whole campaign on minority support. Just shows how disconnected she is, as if backing Rahm after he helped cover up the murder of Laquan McDonald wasn't enough of an example.

Also anyone want to make more Sanders - Ron Paul comparisons or are we done with that now?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 11 2016 21:12 GMT
#57884


Come on guys, that was funny.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 11 2016 21:16 GMT
#57885
you dont really have to lobby for the elite students that much. there are usually accompanying resources from family or just plain initiative taking advantage of rich sources online

the kids who need some effort at the elementary level are really where the educator earns her pay
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 11 2016 21:18 GMT
#57886
On February 12 2016 06:12 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/697852256557928448

Come on guys, that was funny.


Gotta give her credit for the dank robo-rubio memes
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 11 2016 21:19 GMT
#57887
On February 12 2016 06:12 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/697852256557928448

Come on guys, that was funny.

Hillary Clinton is apparently spending too much time on reddit.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 11 2016 21:22 GMT
#57888
On February 12 2016 06:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 06:12 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/697852256557928448

Come on guys, that was funny.


Gotta give her credit for the dank robo-rubio memes


His name is Mark-0 Roboto. Hopefully Mark II will be better.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 11 2016 21:23 GMT
#57889
Legislation that would ban coal, oil and gas extraction on US public land has been introduced in Congress in a timely act of Democratic defiance to the legal threat looming over Barack Obama’s plan to slash greenhouse gas emissions.

The Keep it in the Ground Act would prohibit the digging or drilling for fossil fuels on federal land or waters. A Senate version of the act has the support of several senior Democrats, including presidential nominee Bernie Sanders.

The bill, which has 16 Democratic co-sponsors in total, states that global warming has already had a “significant impact” on the US economy and that to avoid a dangerous 2C (about 4F) increase in global temperatures, at least 80% of carbon from known fossil fuel reserves must be kept in the ground.

Introduction of the bill is a symbolic act as it has no chance of passing a Congress dominated by Republicans who have accused the US president of waging a “war on coal” that harms American jobs. But the bill is a signifier of Democratic intent to aggressively push forward climate change policy, beyond even that proposed by the Obama administration.

“Our nation’s capacity to transition towards clean energy sources is expanding at a record pace,” said congressman Jared Huffman, who introduced the bill. “However, there is still much to be done to break our unhealthy dependence on fossil fuels.

“Our oceans and our public lands, including the fossil fuel deposits beneath them, belong to the American people, not to the oil and gas industry, and it’s time that the law reflects that fact. There is an urgent need to keep fossil fuels in the ground if we want to protect the planet for future generations.”

Marissa Knodel, climate campaigner at Friends of the Earth, said: “Keeping unleased fossil fuels in the ground on public lands and waters is the first step towards avoiding the worst impacts of climate disruption and safeguarding our natural heritage.”

On Tuesday, Obama’s plan to use the Environmental Protection Agency to limit emissions from power plants suffered a setback when the supreme court decided to block the initiative following a legal challenge launched by 29 states. The White House said it is confident the unusual decision to “stay” a regulation was a “bump in the road” and that the US will be able to meet its commitments made at the landmark Paris climate deal in December.


Source
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 11 2016 21:57 GMT
#57890
On February 12 2016 05:50 Plansix wrote:
Separating kids in grade school isn’t that productive, IMO. A lot of education at that age is about learning to socialize and deal with other people. Of course history is important, but really we are teaching kids hot to control themselves and function in an educational setting. And advanced students at that age might not stay advanced. That is the problem with separating them so early, you might have to send them back.

But this call be been addressed with smaller classrooms sizes and more direct education. It’s a lot easier to challenge the advanced students if you only have 15 students. But challenging advanced students is always a problem, but one that isn't hard to solve if you have time.


Teach them to control themselves so they can sit in an office and be supervised by managers.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23476 Posts
February 11 2016 22:11 GMT
#57891
On February 12 2016 06:57 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 05:50 Plansix wrote:
Separating kids in grade school isn’t that productive, IMO. A lot of education at that age is about learning to socialize and deal with other people. Of course history is important, but really we are teaching kids hot to control themselves and function in an educational setting. And advanced students at that age might not stay advanced. That is the problem with separating them so early, you might have to send them back.

But this call be been addressed with smaller classrooms sizes and more direct education. It’s a lot easier to challenge the advanced students if you only have 15 students. But challenging advanced students is always a problem, but one that isn't hard to solve if you have time.


Teach them to control themselves so they can sit in an office and be supervised by managers.


If you think of the purpose of school as being this then you realize they are doing a fantastic job at it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 11 2016 22:11 GMT
#57892
On February 12 2016 06:57 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 05:50 Plansix wrote:
Separating kids in grade school isn’t that productive, IMO. A lot of education at that age is about learning to socialize and deal with other people. Of course history is important, but really we are teaching kids hot to control themselves and function in an educational setting. And advanced students at that age might not stay advanced. That is the problem with separating them so early, you might have to send them back.

But this call be been addressed with smaller classrooms sizes and more direct education. It’s a lot easier to challenge the advanced students if you only have 15 students. But challenging advanced students is always a problem, but one that isn't hard to solve if you have time.


Teach them to control themselves so they can sit in an office and be supervised by managers.

Unsure if you are joking or not….gif.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11370 Posts
February 11 2016 22:31 GMT
#57893
and he understood that as "YOU HAVE TO TEACH ALL THE STUDENTS EXACTLY THIS WAY, ITS THE LAW!"

It's funny that a one way to do multiplication came up as a problem because I understood it, Canadian pedagogy tends to follow the lead of research from the States (and west coast Canada tends to look at west coast US is doing.) And up here, we've had a wave of teach them a hundred strategies to do the same thing... to the point that we're now backing off because it confused the hell out of a lot of students except the really gifted ones. I assumed our development was mimicking what was going on south-side, but maybe not. Seems like it was a bad teacher that cleaved too closely to the one textbook or something. I've always been taught and taught others that 5x3 and 3x5 gets the same answer so I can't see why a teacher would care enough to mark it wrong if it was 3 5's or 5 3's.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23476 Posts
February 11 2016 22:43 GMT
#57894
Lee Fang is going hard on the CBC PAC endorsement. Exposing that the PAC is full of lobbyist, for everything from private prisons to drug companies.

Can't say I'm surprised it's true or that mainstream media outlets have totally ignored it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-11 22:49:45
February 11 2016 22:49 GMT
#57895
So the CBC is a PAC that just happens to have the same name acronym as the Congressional Black Caucus? And just happens to work with them. Are they for real with this shit? PACs are required to not directly work with politicians, but maybe we should make it so they can't have the same name as a group of politicians. CNN refers to them as the "political arm of the Congressional Black Caucus". They are Congress members, all their arms are political. Its like their only job.

We cannot regulate super PACs fast enough. This is some clown show stuff that just needs to stop. What voter has time to figure out this non-sense specifically designed to confuse people?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 11 2016 22:52 GMT
#57896
On February 12 2016 07:31 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
and he understood that as "YOU HAVE TO TEACH ALL THE STUDENTS EXACTLY THIS WAY, ITS THE LAW!"

It's funny that a one way to do multiplication came up as a problem because I understood it, Canadian pedagogy tends to follow the lead of research from the States (and west coast Canada tends to look at west coast US is doing.) And up here, we've had a wave of teach them a hundred strategies to do the same thing... to the point that we're now backing off because it confused the hell out of a lot of students except the really gifted ones. I assumed our development was mimicking what was going on south-side, but maybe not. Seems like it was a bad teacher that cleaved too closely to the one textbook or something. I've always been taught and taught others that 5x3 and 3x5 gets the same answer so I can't see why a teacher would care enough to mark it wrong if it was 3 5's or 5 3's.


I think there are really two problems. First is that its really always been a mystery how a person can get the correct answer in math but be marked off for not doing it the "right" way. If your way is so superior then your test will either demonstrate this by A) having problems that are not solvable by whatever ad hoc approach the kid is using, or B) imposing strict time constraints that weed out ineffective methods like counting on your fingers.

But also, another problem is that a lot of elementary school teachers don't even know math, and they are basically robots who also think they are super-smart because they talk to 8 year olds all day.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-11 23:01:12
February 11 2016 22:53 GMT
#57897
On February 12 2016 07:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
Lee Fang is going hard on the CBC PAC endorsement. Exposing that the PAC is full of lobbyist, for everything from private prisons to drug companies.

Can't say I'm surprised it's true or that mainstream media outlets have totally ignored it.


On February 12 2016 07:49 Plansix wrote:
So the CBC is a PAC that just happens to have the same name acronym as the Congressional Black Caucus? And just happens to work with them. Are they for real with this shit? PACs are required to not directly work with politicians, but maybe we should make it so they can't have the same name as a group of politicians. CNN refers to them as the "political arm of the Congressional Black Caucus". They are Congress members, all their arms are political. Its like their only job.

We cannot regulate super PACs fast enough. This is some clown show stuff that just needs to stop. What voter has time to figure out this non-sense specifically designed to confuse people?


P6, bolded parts are for you.

Aaaaaand you're wrong.

The board of the CBC PAC is made up of 7 Congresspeople, 11 directors and 2 employees of the PAC. The 11 directors, which you refer to as lobbyists, are successful businesspeople. You know, because they have careers. Typically, a board of directors of ANY organization is made up of engaged and successful people with something to contribute [hint, it's not always money]. Obviously they have interests related to their businesses, but to dismiss and essentially slander them as a bunch of lobbyists is a yuuuge mischaracterization and pretty shameful behavior.

The vote was 18 for Hillary, 2 abstaining and zero for Sanders.

The CBC, as a CMO is NOT allowed to endorse and support a candidate because they receive support and funding from the federal government. Hence the fact they have a PAC, same reason we have the Senate Democratic PAC and many others. However, 37 (or something like that) or the 40-something members have endorsed Clinton. 2 have endorsed Sanders, and the others haven't declared-- one is Republican and probably won't endorse either. The CBC PAC endorsement is the closest you're going to get to an endorsement from the CBC itself. They're putting people on the ground and putting money into this.

By the way, how do you feel about John Lewis, who was one of Freedom Riders and the last living member of the big six behind the March on Washington? He's getting fucking railed by your fellow supporters for what he said today.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23476 Posts
February 11 2016 23:04 GMT
#57898
On February 12 2016 07:53 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 07:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
Lee Fang is going hard on the CBC PAC endorsement. Exposing that the PAC is full of lobbyist, for everything from private prisons to drug companies.

Can't say I'm surprised it's true or that mainstream media outlets have totally ignored it.


Aaaaaand you're wrong.

The board of the CBC PAC is made up of 7 Congresspeople, 11 directors and 2 employees of the PAC. The 11 directors, which you refer to as lobbyists, are successful businesspeople. You know, because they have careers. Typically, a board of directors of ANY organization is made up of engaged and successful people with something to contribute [hint, it's not always money]. Obviously they have interests related to their businesses, but to dismiss and essentially slander them as a bunch of lobbyists is pretty shameful behavior.

The vote was 18 for Hillary, 2 abstaining and zero for Sanders.

The CBC, as a CMO is NOT allowed to endorse a candidate because they receive support and funding from the federal government. Hence the fact they have a PAC, same reason we have the Senate Democratic PAC and many others. However, 37 (or something like that) or the 40-something members have endorsed Clinton. 2 have endorsed Sanders, and the others haven't declared-- one is Republican and probably won't endorse either. The CBC PAC endorsement is the closest you're going to get to an endorsement from the CBC itself. They're putting people on the ground and putting money into this.

By the way, how do you feel about John Lewis, who was one of Freedom Riders and the last living member of the big six behind the March on Washington? He's getting fucking railed by your fellow supporters for what he said today.


You really going to tell me they aren't lobbyists?

The members of the Congressional Black Caucus weren't consulted. Many initial reports neglected to even make the distinction between the caucus and the PAC.

John Lewis is capable of dealing with far worse than anything he's gotten today. Infantilizing him is more offensive to me than the few out of line comments I've seen.

I'm disappointed that he would endorse Hillary after she is backing Rahm (among other problems) but I'm not surprised, he backed her against Obama too. He's a civil rights era hero but it doesn't mean he can't be called out for things like his unnecessary jab at Sanders or talking about meeting with Hillary and Bill when his own book says he met Bill in the 70's.

I wouldn't personally call him a "Sell-out" but one would have to be oblivious to politics to think money had nothing to do with it. I mean he literally did it right after "the money" said it was endorsing Hillary too. Even if it's exclusively an issues based endorsement (incredibly hard to believe) at minimum it was terrible optics.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11633 Posts
February 11 2016 23:08 GMT
#57899
On February 12 2016 07:52 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 07:31 Falling wrote:
and he understood that as "YOU HAVE TO TEACH ALL THE STUDENTS EXACTLY THIS WAY, ITS THE LAW!"

It's funny that a one way to do multiplication came up as a problem because I understood it, Canadian pedagogy tends to follow the lead of research from the States (and west coast Canada tends to look at west coast US is doing.) And up here, we've had a wave of teach them a hundred strategies to do the same thing... to the point that we're now backing off because it confused the hell out of a lot of students except the really gifted ones. I assumed our development was mimicking what was going on south-side, but maybe not. Seems like it was a bad teacher that cleaved too closely to the one textbook or something. I've always been taught and taught others that 5x3 and 3x5 gets the same answer so I can't see why a teacher would care enough to mark it wrong if it was 3 5's or 5 3's.


I think there are really two problems. First is that its really always been a mystery how a person can get the correct answer in math but be marked off for not doing it the "right" way. If your way is so superior then your test will either demonstrate this by A) having problems that are not solvable by whatever ad hoc approach the kid is using, or B) imposing strict time constraints that weed out ineffective methods like counting on your fingers.

But also, another problem is that a lot of elementary school teachers don't even know math, and they are basically robots who also think they are super-smart because they talk to 8 year olds all day.


You need to distinguish two different situations here. If you are currently teaching in class, saying "yes, that is correct, but please do it the other way for now because i think that that will teach you some useful concept" is a reasonable thing to do.

If you are grading an exam, and the question does not specifically state "solve via method x" (*), and a student uses a different, but correct method, you obviously can't mark take points off for that.

(*) This is sometimes useful. The best example i can come up with is when beginning to teach differential calculus. You want to teach students the basic principle of differentiation via the limes of the quotient of differences on simple function, but a student who already know more (possible because they failed the grade before), can easily find the derivative through the rules they learn later on. So if you are only asking for "find the derivative of (x²+1)", the answer will technically be correct, but not deliver what you actually want to test, which is understanding of the principle of differentiation. Of course, if you failed to specify that, you once again can not mark that as incorrect.

Marking something that correctly answers the question asked as incorrect as a maths teacher is insane. You can mark something that does not answer the question asked as incorrect though, even if it is a correct answer to a different question.

I must say that i have little experience with elementary school teachers or the ways you teach in elementary school, that is not what i am studying, and since i don't have any children myself, my only experience with that would be my own time in elementary school, which was a long time ago, and i don't think that i was a very rational being at that point in time, either, so i wouldn't trust past-me's judgement even if i would remember it.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-11 23:34:52
February 11 2016 23:18 GMT
#57900
On February 12 2016 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 07:53 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 12 2016 07:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
Lee Fang is going hard on the CBC PAC endorsement. Exposing that the PAC is full of lobbyist, for everything from private prisons to drug companies.

Can't say I'm surprised it's true or that mainstream media outlets have totally ignored it.


Aaaaaand you're wrong.

The board of the CBC PAC is made up of 7 Congresspeople, 11 directors and 2 employees of the PAC. The 11 directors, which you refer to as lobbyists, are successful businesspeople. You know, because they have careers. Typically, a board of directors of ANY organization is made up of engaged and successful people with something to contribute [hint, it's not always money]. Obviously they have interests related to their businesses, but to dismiss and essentially slander them as a bunch of lobbyists is pretty shameful behavior.

The vote was 18 for Hillary, 2 abstaining and zero for Sanders.

The CBC, as a CMO is NOT allowed to endorse a candidate because they receive support and funding from the federal government. Hence the fact they have a PAC, same reason we have the Senate Democratic PAC and many others. However, 37 (or something like that) or the 40-something members have endorsed Clinton. 2 have endorsed Sanders, and the others haven't declared-- one is Republican and probably won't endorse either. The CBC PAC endorsement is the closest you're going to get to an endorsement from the CBC itself. They're putting people on the ground and putting money into this.

By the way, how do you feel about John Lewis, who was one of Freedom Riders and the last living member of the big six behind the March on Washington? He's getting fucking railed by your fellow supporters for what he said today.


You really going to tell me they aren't lobbyists?

The members of the Congressional Black Caucus weren't consulted. Many initial reports neglected to even make the distinction between the caucus and the PAC.

John Lewis is capable of dealing with far worse than anything he's gotten today. Infantilizing him is more offensive to me than the few out of line comments I've seen.

I'm disappointed that he would endorse Hillary after she is backing Rahm (among other problems) but I'm not surprised, he backed her against Obama too. He's a civil rights era hero but it doesn't mean he can't be called out for things like his unnecessary jab at Sanders or talking about meeting with Hillary and Bill when his own book says he met Bill in the 70's.

I wouldn't personally call him a "Sell-out" but one would have to be oblivious to politics to think money had nothing to do with it. I mean he literally did it right after "the money" said it was endorsing Hillary too. Even if it's exclusively an issues based endorsement (incredibly hard to believe) at minimum it was terrible optics.


Of course they're lobbyists. The CBC PAC is a lobbying organization. They have other interests of course, but you know as well as I you mean to call them lobbyists to undermine the their and the organization's credentials.

The bolded parts were for you too you know. I suggest you read them. A vast majority of the CBC has endorsed Hillary Clinton. There was an error in the media about the CBC endorsing her, but their PAC doing so is all but an endorsement from them. Instead of burying your head in the sand, think about WHY they endorsed Hillary (the answer is not because they're establishment schills) and how to actually win support.

Oh, I know he's a tough guy. He's my representative now that I'm in Atlanta and I've met the man (sidenote: previously when I was in New Orleans, Cedric Richmond who sits on the CBC board was my rep, he gave me a Courage to Lead award named after himself which was a tad egotistical considering he'd just been elected to the House). So your logic is just because someone can take a punch means it's okay to punch them?

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