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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 19 2016 19:21 GMT
#55241
might be good to buy some preciosu metal etfs
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 19 2016 19:22 GMT
#55242
idk gold has been dropping like crazy, you think itll go up?
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 19 2016 19:23 GMT
#55243
On January 20 2016 04:22 ticklishmusic wrote:
idk gold has been dropping like crazy, you think itll go up?

bernie vs trump speculation lol
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 19 2016 19:25 GMT
#55244
It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

As the United States and Iran secretly negotiated the terms of a deal that culminated with a “prisoner swap” this weekend, both parties agreed they would fly their prisoners to Geneva, Switzerland, for the exchange – a neutral country that for years has worked as a diplomatic mediator between the two adversaries.

After an hours-long and nerve-wracking delay, a Swiss plane took off Sunday from a military base in Tehran just before 7 a.m. ET carrying three long-held American prisoners: journalist Jason Rezaian, former U.S. Marine Amir Hekmati and Christian pastor Saeed Abedini.

That same day, a plane took off from somewhere on the East Coast of the United States, carrying the seven Iranian-Americans freed from U.S. custody who wanted to return to Iran (or so everyone believed). But not one of them boarded the plane, according to the U.S. officials familiar with the process. The plane left anyway because it was designated to bring the freed Americans on to their second destination in Landstuhl, Germany.


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lol
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 19 2016 19:25 GMT
#55245
I thinking buying into commodities right now will result in you getting run over by the deflation train.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 19 2016 19:27 GMT
#55246
well yea not right now but there'll be some panic over a potential bernie presidency
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 19 2016 19:31 GMT
#55247
industry slowing esp china , idk if commodities makes sense rn
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 19 2016 19:32 GMT
#55248
Frankly, the best investments are going to be in all those highly depressed large oil companies. I don't think that the prices are going to rebound in the near future, but they will eventually and in a big way.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7310 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 19:36:14
January 19 2016 19:35 GMT
#55249
https://mobile.twitter.com/brownblaze/status/689293104579346432

Here's a twitter post with a list of demand's from blm yesterday from the protest on the Bay bridge. I notice gentrification on there. I have a big problem with that. If you don't own your house and rent gets sky high that sucks but it's life. There's plenty of places I would love to live but I can't afford it either. I think that's just fighting a losing battle. Especially since it is being race/ethnicity specific. If affordable housing is what is being asked for it should be for ALL people. I have relatives in the bay area and their housing cost is nuts too. Are they left out because of their ethnicity?
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
January 19 2016 19:36 GMT
#55250
On January 20 2016 04:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
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It turns out that so-called “prisoner swap” with Iran didn’t involve much of a swap. When given the chance, none of the Iranians freed from U.S. custody chose to return to Iran, according to U.S. officials familiar with the negotiations.

As the United States and Iran secretly negotiated the terms of a deal that culminated with a “prisoner swap” this weekend, both parties agreed they would fly their prisoners to Geneva, Switzerland, for the exchange – a neutral country that for years has worked as a diplomatic mediator between the two adversaries.

After an hours-long and nerve-wracking delay, a Swiss plane took off Sunday from a military base in Tehran just before 7 a.m. ET carrying three long-held American prisoners: journalist Jason Rezaian, former U.S. Marine Amir Hekmati and Christian pastor Saeed Abedini.

That same day, a plane took off from somewhere on the East Coast of the United States, carrying the seven Iranian-Americans freed from U.S. custody who wanted to return to Iran (or so everyone believed). But not one of them boarded the plane, according to the U.S. officials familiar with the process. The plane left anyway because it was designated to bring the freed Americans on to their second destination in Landstuhl, Germany.


Source

lol


PresObama / SecKerry traded some pardons for 5 flesh and blood captives. Let it never be said that they aren't good negotiators. Rubio/Cruz/Trump would have threatened, huffed, and puffed and been left with nothing.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 19 2016 19:37 GMT
#55251
On January 20 2016 03:43 xDaunt wrote:
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On January 20 2016 03:41 cLutZ wrote:
Republicans need not do anything. The FBI either recommends charges or not. If they do, she is torpedoed, even if she isn't charged or eventually gets them dropped/is acquitted. If they don't I suspect there is a chance for a deep-throat-style leak from the FBI if the decision not to recommend was political, but even then the chance is quite low as most the FBI workers don't feel "slighted" by Hillary the way Mark Felt was with Nixon.

I don't see how she's not charged with at least gross negligence at this point.

Because the problem with these espionage/etc laws is they are basically 90% prosecutorial discretion. Petraus was more secure in his communications and handling than this and got charged, but people didn't like him. I don't think Petraus shouldn't have been charged, but unlike a ruling by a Court, deciding to charge/prosecute someone is not precedent setting in a legal sense. A lot of whistle-blowers have been charged for more, or charged for less, or not charged for more. The only way, IMO, we would ever find out what SHOULD be done with her case (in the event of a non-charge) is if someone who totally DGAF evaluated the evidence. Like Richard Posner.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 19 2016 19:39 GMT
#55252
On January 20 2016 04:37 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 03:43 xDaunt wrote:
On January 20 2016 03:41 cLutZ wrote:
Republicans need not do anything. The FBI either recommends charges or not. If they do, she is torpedoed, even if she isn't charged or eventually gets them dropped/is acquitted. If they don't I suspect there is a chance for a deep-throat-style leak from the FBI if the decision not to recommend was political, but even then the chance is quite low as most the FBI workers don't feel "slighted" by Hillary the way Mark Felt was with Nixon.

I don't see how she's not charged with at least gross negligence at this point.

Because the problem with these espionage/etc laws is they are basically 90% prosecutorial discretion. Petraus was more secure in his communications and handling than this and got charged, but people didn't like him. I don't think Petraus shouldn't have been charged, but unlike a ruling by a Court, deciding to charge/prosecute someone is not precedent setting in a legal sense. A lot of whistle-blowers have been charged for more, or charged for less, or not charged for more. The only way, IMO, we would ever find out what SHOULD be done with her case (in the event of a non-charge) is if someone who totally DGAF evaluated the evidence. Like Richard Posner.

By all accounts, the current head of the FBI fits that bill. I think it will be hard for justice department to not bring charges if he recommends it.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 19 2016 19:51 GMT
#55253
Here's a link to the Inspector General's letter confirming the presence of top secret/SAP materials on Hillary's server.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43468 Posts
January 19 2016 20:05 GMT
#55254
On January 20 2016 04:32 xDaunt wrote:
Frankly, the best investments are going to be in all those highly depressed large oil companies. I don't think that the prices are going to rebound in the near future, but they will eventually and in a big way.

Even if we accept that price competition between the Gulf nations will eventually die down (and I don't, too many countries too reliant on the exports for survival) there's no reason to think that won't already be priced into the market.

There are a half dozen big oil producing nations, from Russia to Venezuela, in addition to those in the Middle East that are absolutely reliant on oil exports for their economic survival. I don't think anyone is going to be giving up market share (which is coupled with changes in infrastructure and purchasing that create a barrier to recovering the market) anytime soon. We're in a race to the bottom. The world is pumping more oil than it can use and that means that even if we compensate for increased usage as prices drop and storage during the glut we're going to have oil going unsold. If this situation continues infrastructure which was extremely expensive to create and maintain is going to go underutilized, pipelines and refineries for oil that was priced out of the market etc will close. More importantly the skilled technicians that operate it all will leave, just as they are doing in the US facing mass layoffs.

I find it quite unlikely that if that happens the same investors will front the cash to rebuild the entire supply chain from scratch when oil prices recover. For those already invested, many of whom are nationalized industries, it is better to sell oil at a loss for as long as it can be endured than to close entirely and lose market share forever. I expect the North American oil industry to get completely fucked because there is not the political will to prop it up with tariffs against foreign oil but internationally market share is going to be valued over profitability. Better to take a loss for a few years than have to rebuild from nothing later on.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 20:16:37
January 19 2016 20:15 GMT
#55255
i agree with kwark, idk about buying into something that i dont see going back up. maybe if china gets out of a funk and we see india and some other places really rev up production it might make a recovery, but it's still likely an inferior investment compared to other commodities. oil is high supply, low demand and threatened by substitutes now. here's a random thought: what about rare earth minerals? i know china has a ton, might be worth looking into...

oil and gas has a ton of extremely specialized infrastructure and capacity they dont really need and have to service huge amounts of debt they took to build their facilities. some places are already going out of biz and i know a lot of companies are starting to write down the value of reserves. i guess oil and gas co's further down the pipeline/supply chain (pun unintended) who do specialized non-energy products or can pivot to a model focused on that could do okay, but still seems risky.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 20:36:25
January 19 2016 20:20 GMT
#55256
problem with rare earth is that new mining projects or random stuff china does might completely change the picture. it's worth looking into but the guys with the advanced info on new projects might just front run you
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 19 2016 20:40 GMT
#55257
For decades, Alaska has relied on oil to pay its bills. In recent years, up to 90 percent of state spending came from oil revenue. With crude prices at a 12-year low, the state faces at least a $3.5 billion deficit — or two-thirds of its budget.

Lawmakers gathering in Juneau on Tuesday face some unpopular choices, including the first income tax in decades.

To understand why Alaska has a budget problem, stop by any gas station. In Anchorage, gas sells for $2.30 a gallon. A year and a half ago, people here were shelling out more than $4 a gallon. And that's the problem.

Tour guide Lynne Jablonski stopped to fill up her car.

"It's a mixed feeling, right? Because it's a great thing when I look at my credit card bill, but it's not so good for the state that the oil prices are so low," Jablonski says.

As crude prices have dropped, the state's budget has tanked. So America's most oil-dependent state is trying to figure out what to do.

Alaska always knew this day would come. When companies struck oil in Prudhoe Bay in 1968, leaders worried how to manage the windfall.

You've got to remove the money. Put it behind a rope where you cannot utilize it for flamboyant expenditures," says Jay Hammond, Alaska's governor, speaking in 1980. Hammond helped create the Permanent Fund. Call it Alaska's retirement account. Each year, a share of oil money is set aside. The fund has grown to about $50 billion — and the state isn't allowed to touch it, just the earnings.


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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 20:43:52
January 19 2016 20:40 GMT
#55258
Anyone on an internet forum who thinks they are still on the leading edge of something is a chump. There's like literally a trillion dollars out there looking for ROI.

But I think anyone here who thinks China will "recover" or that India will somehow fill China's void is delusional.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 19 2016 20:47 GMT
#55259
Former reality-television star Donald Trump remains the Republican frontrunner in New Hampshire, followed by a surging Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) in second place, according to an American Research Group poll released Tuesday.

The ARG poll showed Trump in the lead with 27 percent, followed by Kasich at 20 percent. This represents a significant boost for Kasich, who was trailing Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) 13-14 percent in ARG’s December poll and tied with him in the same survey earlier this month at 14 percent. Rubio lost ground as Kasich gained in the poll, falling from 14 percent to 10 percent between ARG's two January surveys.


There has also been an increase in support, in absolute terms, for Trump, whose support has increased from 21 percent in December and 25 percent earlier this month.

The latest poll serves to emphasize how differently from the national contest the New Hampshire GOP primary is unfolding. Both nationally and in Iowa, the central drama of the race has become the competition between longtime frontrunner Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), whose support has surged since mid-December. However, this ARG poll showed support for Cruz at 9 percent, tied with the earlier January poll and down from 10 percent in December.

The ARG telephone poll, conducted from Jan. 15-18, surveyed 600 New Hampshire Republicans and independents. It had a margin of error of 4 percentage points.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10834 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-20 06:20:01
January 19 2016 21:04 GMT
#55260
On January 20 2016 05:40 IgnE wrote:
Anyone on an internet forum who thinks they are still on the leading edge of something is a chump. There's like literally a trillion dollars out there looking for ROI.

But I think anyone here who thinks China will "recover" or that India will somehow fill China's void is delusional.



Anyone that thinks the numbers spat at out are faces have any base in reallity, is a retard (or never has worked in any job even remotely touching/working with accounting).
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