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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 19 2016 21:32 GMT
#55261
Uh what?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24285 Posts
January 19 2016 21:39 GMT
#55262
Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor and 2008 vice-presidential nominee who became a Tea Party sensation and a favorite of grass-roots conservatives, will endorse Donald J. Trump in Iowa on Tuesday, officials with his campaign confirmed. The endorsement provides Mr. Trump with a potentially significant boost just 13 days before the state’s caucuses.

“I’m proud to endorse Donald J. Trump for president,” Ms. Palin said in a statement provided by his campaign.

Her support is the highest-profile backing for a Republican contender so far.

“I am greatly honored to receive Sarah’s endorsement,” Mr. Trump said in a statement trumpeting Mrs. Palin’s decision. “She is a friend, and a high-quality person whom I have great respect for. I am proud to have her support.”


Source

Does this make Trump the Tea Party candidate now?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
January 19 2016 21:58 GMT
#55263
On January 20 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor and 2008 vice-presidential nominee who became a Tea Party sensation and a favorite of grass-roots conservatives, will endorse Donald J. Trump in Iowa on Tuesday, officials with his campaign confirmed. The endorsement provides Mr. Trump with a potentially significant boost just 13 days before the state’s caucuses.

“I’m proud to endorse Donald J. Trump for president,” Ms. Palin said in a statement provided by his campaign.

Her support is the highest-profile backing for a Republican contender so far.

“I am greatly honored to receive Sarah’s endorsement,” Mr. Trump said in a statement trumpeting Mrs. Palin’s decision. “She is a friend, and a high-quality person whom I have great respect for. I am proud to have her support.”


Source

Does this make Trump the Tea Party candidate now?


bahaha. this is golden, the main reason (and liability to his campaign) mccain lost in '08 endorses trump.

a match made in heaven!
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 19 2016 22:07 GMT
#55264
If Palin allows Trump to absorb some Cruz supporters, Trump becomes a clear favorite in a lot more states.
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
January 19 2016 22:08 GMT
#55265
Ooookay then. This might be amusing.
I post only when my brain works.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 19 2016 22:14 GMT
#55266
I feel like I am having flash backs. Palin doesn’t win anyone elections. She loses people elections.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 19 2016 22:19 GMT
#55267
On January 20 2016 07:14 Plansix wrote:
I feel like I am having flash backs. Palin doesn’t win anyone elections. She loses people elections.


I think Trump's plan is to focus purely on just pounding the primary and then figure everything else out after. Palin is great for primaries and local elections.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 19 2016 22:20 GMT
#55268
On January 20 2016 06:58 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor and 2008 vice-presidential nominee who became a Tea Party sensation and a favorite of grass-roots conservatives, will endorse Donald J. Trump in Iowa on Tuesday, officials with his campaign confirmed. The endorsement provides Mr. Trump with a potentially significant boost just 13 days before the state’s caucuses.

“I’m proud to endorse Donald J. Trump for president,” Ms. Palin said in a statement provided by his campaign.

Her support is the highest-profile backing for a Republican contender so far.

“I am greatly honored to receive Sarah’s endorsement,” Mr. Trump said in a statement trumpeting Mrs. Palin’s decision. “She is a friend, and a high-quality person whom I have great respect for. I am proud to have her support.”


Source

Does this make Trump the Tea Party candidate now?


bahaha. this is golden, the main reason (and liability to his campaign) mccain lost in '08 endorses trump.

a match made in heaven!


How did this ever become a narrative? McCain had a 0.5% chance of winning the election pre-convention, which became something like 1.5% post-convention, and proceeded back to 0.0001% (approximately equal to the chance that Obama committed a felony on the campaign trail, or had a major felony, not drugs, revealed with near 100% certainty) once the economy truly died in October 2008. Sarah Palin was never great, and had one interview that made her look pretty bad, but no one votes for VPs anyways, and she was nothing resembling the weirdo-idiot pre-election that she was post-election.

Like, Palin is a goofball, but McCain never had a chance, and what little chance he had was because of her exciting-ness, and what little damage she did by being a bad interviewer was outweighed 100-fold by the bad economy.
Freeeeeeedom
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 22:26:46
January 19 2016 22:24 GMT
#55269
he had more of a chance than romney (mr. etch-a-sketch) ever had. and if he had a competent running mate, I would not want to wager on that one. but that's like the ancient past and of no consequences so whatever.

of course, obama's perfect campaign, slogan and bringing the youth to the poll did not help either :p
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 22:26:36
January 19 2016 22:26 GMT
#55270
del pls....
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
January 19 2016 22:27 GMT
#55271
On January 20 2016 07:20 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 06:58 Doublemint wrote:
On January 20 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor and 2008 vice-presidential nominee who became a Tea Party sensation and a favorite of grass-roots conservatives, will endorse Donald J. Trump in Iowa on Tuesday, officials with his campaign confirmed. The endorsement provides Mr. Trump with a potentially significant boost just 13 days before the state’s caucuses.

“I’m proud to endorse Donald J. Trump for president,” Ms. Palin said in a statement provided by his campaign.

Her support is the highest-profile backing for a Republican contender so far.

“I am greatly honored to receive Sarah’s endorsement,” Mr. Trump said in a statement trumpeting Mrs. Palin’s decision. “She is a friend, and a high-quality person whom I have great respect for. I am proud to have her support.”


Source

Does this make Trump the Tea Party candidate now?


bahaha. this is golden, the main reason (and liability to his campaign) mccain lost in '08 endorses trump.

a match made in heaven!


How did this ever become a narrative? McCain had a 0.5% chance of winning the election pre-convention, which became something like 1.5% post-convention, and proceeded back to 0.0001% (approximately equal to the chance that Obama committed a felony on the campaign trail, or had a major felony, not drugs, revealed with near 100% certainty) once the economy truly died in October 2008. Sarah Palin was never great, and had one interview that made her look pretty bad, but no one votes for VPs anyways, and she was nothing resembling the weirdo-idiot pre-election that she was post-election.

Like, Palin is a goofball, but McCain never had a chance, and what little chance he had was because of her exciting-ness, and what little damage she did by being a bad interviewer was outweighed 100-fold by the bad economy.


Palin was clearly a moron pre-election. She took an otherwise semi likable reasonable guy like McCain and made him completely and totally unelectable by any moderate. There was a very real possibility that McCain would die in office and we'd be stuck with a fucking lunatic. People do vote for VPs when the Presidential candidate is an old man with a poor history of health.

McCain was a long shot coming after a Bush presidency people were over it, the odds of a Republican getting elected were tiny. But Palin made sure it was absolutely positively unwinnable.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 19 2016 22:32 GMT
#55272
On January 20 2016 07:24 Doublemint wrote:
he had more of a chance than romney (mr. etch-a-sketch) ever had. and if he had a competent running mate, I would not want to wager on that one. but that's like the ancient past and of no consequences so whatever.

of course, obama's perfect campaign, slogan and bringing the youth to the poll did not help either :p

People liked McCain when on his more moderate positions, but Palin and the Republican election machine just ruined him. The naked pandering to the republican unreasonable, no compromise base is straight up losing them elections. The fact that people think Trump has some level of viability still amazes me. And now people talk about Palin like she isn’t a total joke and a great way to lose independents.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 22:35:39
January 19 2016 22:33 GMT
#55273
On January 20 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor and 2008 vice-presidential nominee who became a Tea Party sensation and a favorite of grass-roots conservatives, will endorse Donald J. Trump in Iowa on Tuesday, officials with his campaign confirmed. The endorsement provides Mr. Trump with a potentially significant boost just 13 days before the state’s caucuses.

“I’m proud to endorse Donald J. Trump for president,” Ms. Palin said in a statement provided by his campaign.

Her support is the highest-profile backing for a Republican contender so far.

“I am greatly honored to receive Sarah’s endorsement,” Mr. Trump said in a statement trumpeting Mrs. Palin’s decision. “She is a friend, and a high-quality person whom I have great respect for. I am proud to have her support.”


Source

Does this make Trump the Tea Party candidate now?


Probably. The only people in the Tea Party that have the ability to perceive her as a ruthless calculating moneygrubber dead set on attracting fame and attention (much like Donald Trump) rather than Momma Palin the Cute Maverick ran for the hills a while ago.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 22:39:53
January 19 2016 22:35 GMT
#55274
borowitz so on point lol.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/palin-endorsement-widens-trumps-lead-among-idiots

//edit: rofl. you just can't make this shit up.

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5021 Posts
January 19 2016 22:52 GMT
#55275
Wtf?

We'll she if she takes it back. I feel like the "real" Trump is about to really come out, at least for conservatives. I hope.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 19 2016 23:15 GMT
#55276
On January 20 2016 07:52 Introvert wrote:
Wtf?

We'll she if she takes it back. I feel like the "real" Trump is about to really come out, at least for conservatives. I hope.


You think she'll take it back? What do you mean real trump?
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
January 19 2016 23:18 GMT
#55277
That IS the real Trump. Thought you would have figured out by now.
I post only when my brain works.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 19 2016 23:25 GMT
#55278
On January 20 2016 07:20 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 06:58 Doublemint wrote:
On January 20 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor and 2008 vice-presidential nominee who became a Tea Party sensation and a favorite of grass-roots conservatives, will endorse Donald J. Trump in Iowa on Tuesday, officials with his campaign confirmed. The endorsement provides Mr. Trump with a potentially significant boost just 13 days before the state’s caucuses.

“I’m proud to endorse Donald J. Trump for president,” Ms. Palin said in a statement provided by his campaign.

Her support is the highest-profile backing for a Republican contender so far.

“I am greatly honored to receive Sarah’s endorsement,” Mr. Trump said in a statement trumpeting Mrs. Palin’s decision. “She is a friend, and a high-quality person whom I have great respect for. I am proud to have her support.”


Source

Does this make Trump the Tea Party candidate now?


bahaha. this is golden, the main reason (and liability to his campaign) mccain lost in '08 endorses trump.

a match made in heaven!


How did this ever become a narrative? McCain had a 0.5% chance of winning the election pre-convention, which became something like 1.5% post-convention, and proceeded back to 0.0001% (approximately equal to the chance that Obama committed a felony on the campaign trail, or had a major felony, not drugs, revealed with near 100% certainty) once the economy truly died in October 2008. Sarah Palin was never great, and had one interview that made her look pretty bad, but no one votes for VPs anyways, and she was nothing resembling the weirdo-idiot pre-election that she was post-election.

Like, Palin is a goofball, but McCain never had a chance, and what little chance he had was because of her exciting-ness, and what little damage she did by being a bad interviewer was outweighed 100-fold by the bad economy.

Tough sell calling Palin the reason for the ticket loss. McCain was dead and Palin restored a faint heartbeat. All this notwithstanding her speaking and joking style, and all this before post-elections antics.

I don't think Trump can play solid evangelical with his record. The best voters can hope for is no antipathy towards religion.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5021 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 23:33:41
January 19 2016 23:33 GMT
#55279
By "real Trump" I mean, not so much that Trump himself is changing, but that some people with positive (or at least non-negative) feelings about him are perhaps slowing figuring out who he is. I don't think that every Trump supporter is so die-hard as to not take a closer look.

Or put another way, I don't see how Palin could refrain from endorsing him before, but feels confident enough to do so now. What changed recently? Certainly nothing positive, to a conservative.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 19 2016 23:36 GMT
#55280
he probably promised to make her secretary of state or appoint her to some other position she's comparably unqualified for
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