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Deathstar
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That said, I do think there is something going on. Sad Kurt avi in effect. | #Caring | Townhall/IJReview/Fed'list | Army Colonel (R) | War College | Lawyer | Conservative Insurgency |NRA | Georgetown Law professor - Author of Our Republican Constitution http://amzn.com/0062412280 , Restoring the Lost Constitution & The Structure of Liberty. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On January 20 2016 14:06 Deathstar wrote: I don't think it's ironic. It's using memes to propagate ideas IMO (like can't stump the trump). I did some research and I ended up seeing a lot of anime on the alt right accounts so I misunderstood Rick's earlier tweet. Only reason I know of Rick is because he blew up on twitter after someone, in the comment section of breitbart, threatened to rape his daughters lol. That said, I do think there is something going on. I mean they're not just randoms trolling the republican party by ironically pretending they're Trump fans and throwing around anime memes? That's what I'd assume but maybe it's just super meta. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Introvert
United States5021 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
On January 20 2016 13:18 Deathstar wrote: He's talking about a portion of the Republican base, the alt right, who are behind Trump. Other guy is a new york daily writer and doesn't matter. There's a lot of drama within the Republican party which is fun. His comment is directed at 4chan and it shows that he's about as disconnected as any other conservative establishment guy. They just don't care and don't want to care about anybody aged less than 50. Also, it's kind of a weird statement from somebody who likes Cthulu (tentacle monster?), thought up by Lovecraft (serious racist, depicted non-whites as subhuman). Don't throw rocks in a glass house... whereas even /pol/ on 4chan isn't properly racist anymore. it's just a lot of endlessly repeated memes mixed with some high info density threads about current events. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 20 2016 13:27 Falling wrote: Apparently Rick Wilson is a GOP establishment strategist- started under George HW Bush, trained under Lee Atwood and produced a ton of attack ads. (He was responsible some of the ads going after Obama's old pastor: "Barack Obama followed a preacher of hate.) These guys are on the verge of killing the party. I don't particularly care about this asshat, but I wonder how many renditions of this election pattern we need to go through before they realize they can't win a general election by catering so heavily to Karl Rove's base from 16 years ago. We've already seen the accelerated decline from 2008 and 2012, and it only gets worse. 2012 wasn't a close election. As more states, like Florida, pass anti-gerrymandering laws, it's only going to get worse for them. They actually need a non-establishment candidate who doesn't care for the RNC's rules, but it needs to be someone who also isn't a flaming asshole/imbecile and also doesn't cut his own hair. Not that I mind them continually losing, but the GOP not being able to get its shit together is going to cause more instability. I guess it makes sense when you consider they are conservative and are loathe to try new things. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22538 Posts
On January 20 2016 16:50 Jibba wrote: These guys are on the verge of killing the party. I don't particularly care about this asshat, but I wonder how many renditions of this election pattern we need to go through before they realize they can't win a general election by catering so heavily to Karl Rove's base from 16 years ago. We've already seen the accelerated decline from 2008 and 2012, and it only gets worse. 2012 wasn't a close election. As more states, like Florida, pass anti-gerrymandering laws, it's only going to get worse for them. They actually need a non-establishment candidate who doesn't care for the RNC's rules, but it needs to be someone who also isn't a flaming asshole/imbecile and also doesn't cut his own hair. Not that I mind them continually losing, but the GOP not being able to get its shit together is going to cause more instability. I guess it makes sense when you consider they are conservative and are loathe to try new things. The GOP doesn't want to cater to the hard-line base but it is the those people who decide who wins the primary, not the GOP leadership (unless they ignore the party convention I guess). The non-leadership endorsed candidates are the ones who keep dragging the party into the mud because that is how they can win the nomination. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10939 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24285 Posts
The problem is the Republican party has turned every left leaning mole hill into a mountain and every right leaning mountain into a speed bump. Some Republicans think gay marriage will lead to the end times, but they have a leading nominee who thinks climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese, as an example. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22538 Posts
On January 20 2016 17:32 Velr wrote: Ahm, didn't the GOP over years embracer their hardcore evangelical base? Now the beast is too big for them to handle but saying they don't (or didn't) cather to them seems a bit dishonest. I don't deny they created their own problem and I don't feel particularly bad for them. I'm just stating that they cant turn the ship around even if they want to. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24285 Posts
Altoona, Iowa (CNN)Iowa's Republican Gov. Terry Branstad called for Ted Cruz's defeat Tuesday, in a dramatic and highly public repudiation of the Texas senator just two weeks out from the Iowa caucuses. Speaking to a small group of reporters at the Iowa Renewable Fuels Summit in Altoona, where several 2016 presidential candidates are slated to speak, Branstad labeled Cruz a "big oil" candidate whose victory would be "very damaging to our state." "It would be a big mistake for Iowa to support him," Branstad said. "And I know he's ahead in the polls but the only poll that counts is the one they take on caucus night and I think that could change between now and then." Asked by a reporter whether he wants to see Cruz defeated, Branstad answered: "Yes." Source Cruz got dissed by the Tea Party (Palin) and the "establishment" (Brandstad) in 24 hours, things are looking pretty shaky for Cruz in Iowa... The Republican race may be over before it begins. Have the Republican candidates even mentioned Flint? Oh and not wanting to be upstaged in who has the crazier supporters... Conservative media personality Glenn Beck will make appearances with Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz on Saturday in Iowa, ABC News reported late Tuesday. The news came shortly after Beck took to Facebook on Tuesday to attack Cruz's rival Donald Trump and Sarah Palin, the former GOP vice presidential nominee who endorsed Trump the same day. Source The Republican front runners are proudly bragging about the support of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck... Just let that sink in for a while. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 20 2016 17:32 Velr wrote: Ahm, didn't the GOP over years embracer their hardcore evangelical base? Now the beast is too big for them to handle but saying they don't (or didn't) cather to them seems a bit dishonest. Don't confuse the hardcore evangelical base with the Trump base. Hardcore evangelicals is Huckabee/Santorum/et al, and they've really posed no threat to the establishment and have gotten everything they wanted from the party including years of gay marriage opposition, state-level abortion legislation, and religious exemptions in return for believing in trickle down. The people that got too big to handle were the co-opted Tea Partiers who finally realized that the party has virtually no interest in doing anything it promised them it would and so are turning towards anyone else that plays nice soundbites. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 20 2016 16:50 Jibba wrote: These guys are on the verge of killing the party. I don't particularly care about this asshat, but I wonder how many renditions of this election pattern we need to go through before they realize they can't win a general election by catering so heavily to Karl Rove's base from 16 years ago. We've already seen the accelerated decline from 2008 and 2012, and it only gets worse. 2012 wasn't a close election. As more states, like Florida, pass anti-gerrymandering laws, it's only going to get worse for them. They actually need a non-establishment candidate who doesn't care for the RNC's rules, but it needs to be someone who also isn't a flaming asshole/imbecile and also doesn't cut his own hair. Not that I mind them continually losing, but the GOP not being able to get its shit together is going to cause more instability. I guess it makes sense when you consider they are conservative and are loathe to try new things. Hopefully enough donors saw how conventional GOP strategists blew all their money on Jeb to seal the thing up early and lost it all. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
WTF, why are we even talking about who is going to be the Republican / Democratic nominee already? It's more than half a year away! | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22538 Posts
On January 20 2016 22:50 DickMcFanny wrote: Yesterday on Rachel Maddow, she said the nomination happen in AUGUST?! WTF, why are we even talking about who is going to be the Republican / Democratic nominee already? It's more than half a year away! first votes are 2 weeks away. The US has a very very drawn out election period. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On January 19 2016 10:33 TheTenthDoc wrote: If he was a favorite to win, his odds would be <1, and not a single site on oddschecker has him there for the nomination. Right now he's being assigned between 38% (the low end) and 44% (the high end). You still stand to gain more than your money if you place a bet on him to win the nomination. But he is closing in. In fact, the only candidate with odds <1 for the nomination (and winning overall) is Clinton. As in he has the highest chance to win is what i meant | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 20 2016 22:50 DickMcFanny wrote: Yesterday on Rachel Maddow, she said the nominations happen in AUGUST?! WTF, why are we even talking about who is going to be the Republican / Democratic nominee already? It's more than half a year away! The actual convention is in August. The first primary is in early February, and the last is in mid-June. Welcome to US politics where we drag things out for more than 8 months because ?????? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10939 Posts
On January 20 2016 22:57 Gorsameth wrote: first votes are 2 weeks away. The US has a very very drawn out election period. Which aren't really "official" elections because they only decide which candidate will get the backing of its party. The media love it and its pretty entertaining. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
Or because after citizens united lobbyists need more time to buy elections? | ||
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