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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 20 2016 05:06 GMT
#55301
I don't think it's ironic. It's using memes to propagate ideas IMO (like can't stump the trump). I did some research and I ended up seeing a lot of anime on the alt right accounts so I misunderstood Rick's earlier tweet. Only reason I know of Rick is because he blew up on twitter after someone, in the comment section of breitbart, threatened to rape his daughters lol.

That said, I do think there is something going on.


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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
January 20 2016 05:16 GMT
#55302
On January 20 2016 14:06 Deathstar wrote:
I don't think it's ironic. It's using memes to propagate ideas IMO (like can't stump the trump). I did some research and I ended up seeing a lot of anime on the alt right accounts so I misunderstood Rick's earlier tweet. Only reason I know of Rick is because he blew up on twitter after someone, in the comment section of breitbart, threatened to rape his daughters lol.

That said, I do think there is something going on.



I mean they're not just randoms trolling the republican party by ironically pretending they're Trump fans and throwing around anime memes? That's what I'd assume but maybe it's just super meta.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-20 05:17:29
January 20 2016 05:17 GMT
#55303
Now, Randy Barnett is someone I know. He spoke at a school by where I work and I got CLE credit for signing in.
Freeeeeeedom
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4884 Posts
January 20 2016 05:22 GMT
#55304
Barnett is not a nobody, he's been cited on a number of occasions in right-leaning publications.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 20 2016 05:29 GMT
#55305
I feel like these people have a tenuous understanding of the internet, as best. Like whenever the larger media outlets report on things like gamergate and twitter harassment.
Freeeeeeedom
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-20 06:05:01
January 20 2016 05:44 GMT
#55306
On January 20 2016 13:18 Deathstar wrote:
He's talking about a portion of the Republican base, the alt right, who are behind Trump. Other guy is a new york daily writer and doesn't matter. There's a lot of drama within the Republican party which is fun.


His comment is directed at 4chan and it shows that he's about as disconnected as any other conservative establishment guy. They just don't care and don't want to care about anybody aged less than 50.

Also, it's kind of a weird statement from somebody who likes Cthulu (tentacle monster?), thought up by Lovecraft (serious racist, depicted non-whites as subhuman). Don't throw rocks in a glass house...

whereas even /pol/ on 4chan isn't properly racist anymore. it's just a lot of endlessly repeated memes mixed with some high info density threads about current events.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-20 07:55:50
January 20 2016 07:50 GMT
#55307
On January 20 2016 13:27 Falling wrote:
Apparently Rick Wilson is a GOP establishment strategist- started under George HW Bush, trained under Lee Atwood and produced a ton of attack ads. (He was responsible some of the ads going after Obama's old pastor: "Barack Obama followed a preacher of hate.)

These guys are on the verge of killing the party. I don't particularly care about this asshat, but I wonder how many renditions of this election pattern we need to go through before they realize they can't win a general election by catering so heavily to Karl Rove's base from 16 years ago.

We've already seen the accelerated decline from 2008 and 2012, and it only gets worse. 2012 wasn't a close election. As more states, like Florida, pass anti-gerrymandering laws, it's only going to get worse for them.

They actually need a non-establishment candidate who doesn't care for the RNC's rules, but it needs to be someone who also isn't a flaming asshole/imbecile and also doesn't cut his own hair.

Not that I mind them continually losing, but the GOP not being able to get its shit together is going to cause more instability.

I guess it makes sense when you consider they are conservative and are loathe to try new things.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22050 Posts
January 20 2016 08:14 GMT
#55308
On January 20 2016 16:50 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 13:27 Falling wrote:
Apparently Rick Wilson is a GOP establishment strategist- started under George HW Bush, trained under Lee Atwood and produced a ton of attack ads. (He was responsible some of the ads going after Obama's old pastor: "Barack Obama followed a preacher of hate.)

These guys are on the verge of killing the party. I don't particularly care about this asshat, but I wonder how many renditions of this election pattern we need to go through before they realize they can't win a general election by catering so heavily to Karl Rove's base from 16 years ago.

We've already seen the accelerated decline from 2008 and 2012, and it only gets worse. 2012 wasn't a close election. As more states, like Florida, pass anti-gerrymandering laws, it's only going to get worse for them.

They actually need a non-establishment candidate who doesn't care for the RNC's rules, but it needs to be someone who also isn't a flaming asshole/imbecile and also doesn't cut his own hair.

Not that I mind them continually losing, but the GOP not being able to get its shit together is going to cause more instability.

I guess it makes sense when you consider they are conservative and are loathe to try new things.

The GOP doesn't want to cater to the hard-line base but it is the those people who decide who wins the primary, not the GOP leadership (unless they ignore the party convention I guess).

The non-leadership endorsed candidates are the ones who keep dragging the party into the mud because that is how they can win the nomination.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10834 Posts
January 20 2016 08:32 GMT
#55309
Ahm, didn't the GOP over years embracer their hardcore evangelical base? Now the beast is too big for them to handle but saying they don't (or didn't) cather to them seems a bit dishonest.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23580 Posts
January 20 2016 08:34 GMT
#55310
It would be nice to have a reasonable Republican party that acts as a check against extreme positions.

The problem is the Republican party has turned every left leaning mole hill into a mountain and every right leaning mountain into a speed bump.

Some Republicans think gay marriage will lead to the end times, but they have a leading nominee who thinks climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese, as an example.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22050 Posts
January 20 2016 08:37 GMT
#55311
On January 20 2016 17:32 Velr wrote:
Ahm, didn't the GOP over years embracer their hardcore evangelical base? Now the beast is too big for them to handle but saying they don't (or didn't) cather to them seems a bit dishonest.

I don't deny they created their own problem and I don't feel particularly bad for them. I'm just stating that they cant turn the ship around even if they want to.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-20 12:37:16
January 20 2016 12:26 GMT
#55312
Altoona, Iowa (CNN)Iowa's Republican Gov. Terry Branstad called for Ted Cruz's defeat Tuesday, in a dramatic and highly public repudiation of the Texas senator just two weeks out from the Iowa caucuses.

Speaking to a small group of reporters at the Iowa Renewable Fuels Summit in Altoona, where several 2016 presidential candidates are slated to speak, Branstad labeled Cruz a "big oil" candidate whose victory would be "very damaging to our state."

"It would be a big mistake for Iowa to support him," Branstad said. "And I know he's ahead in the polls but the only poll that counts is the one they take on caucus night and I think that could change between now and then."

Asked by a reporter whether he wants to see Cruz defeated, Branstad answered: "Yes."


Source

Cruz got dissed by the Tea Party (Palin) and the "establishment" (Brandstad) in 24 hours, things are looking pretty shaky for Cruz in Iowa... The Republican race may be over before it begins.

Have the Republican candidates even mentioned Flint?

Oh and not wanting to be upstaged in who has the crazier supporters...

Conservative media personality Glenn Beck will make appearances with Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz on Saturday in Iowa, ABC News reported late Tuesday.

The news came shortly after Beck took to Facebook on Tuesday to attack Cruz's rival Donald Trump and Sarah Palin, the former GOP vice presidential nominee who endorsed Trump the same day.


Source

The Republican front runners are proudly bragging about the support of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck... Just let that sink in for a while.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-20 13:34:15
January 20 2016 13:31 GMT
#55313
On January 20 2016 17:32 Velr wrote:
Ahm, didn't the GOP over years embracer their hardcore evangelical base? Now the beast is too big for them to handle but saying they don't (or didn't) cather to them seems a bit dishonest.


Don't confuse the hardcore evangelical base with the Trump base. Hardcore evangelicals is Huckabee/Santorum/et al, and they've really posed no threat to the establishment and have gotten everything they wanted from the party including years of gay marriage opposition, state-level abortion legislation, and religious exemptions in return for believing in trickle down.

The people that got too big to handle were the co-opted Tea Partiers who finally realized that the party has virtually no interest in doing anything it promised them it would and so are turning towards anyone else that plays nice soundbites.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 20 2016 13:47 GMT
#55314
On January 20 2016 16:50 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 13:27 Falling wrote:
Apparently Rick Wilson is a GOP establishment strategist- started under George HW Bush, trained under Lee Atwood and produced a ton of attack ads. (He was responsible some of the ads going after Obama's old pastor: "Barack Obama followed a preacher of hate.)

These guys are on the verge of killing the party. I don't particularly care about this asshat, but I wonder how many renditions of this election pattern we need to go through before they realize they can't win a general election by catering so heavily to Karl Rove's base from 16 years ago.

We've already seen the accelerated decline from 2008 and 2012, and it only gets worse. 2012 wasn't a close election. As more states, like Florida, pass anti-gerrymandering laws, it's only going to get worse for them.

They actually need a non-establishment candidate who doesn't care for the RNC's rules, but it needs to be someone who also isn't a flaming asshole/imbecile and also doesn't cut his own hair.

Not that I mind them continually losing, but the GOP not being able to get its shit together is going to cause more instability.

I guess it makes sense when you consider they are conservative and are loathe to try new things.

Hopefully enough donors saw how conventional GOP strategists blew all their money on Jeb to seal the thing up early and lost it all.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-20 13:57:13
January 20 2016 13:50 GMT
#55315
Yesterday on Rachel Maddow, she said the nominations happen in AUGUST?!

WTF, why are we even talking about who is going to be the Republican / Democratic nominee already? It's more than half a year away!
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22050 Posts
January 20 2016 13:57 GMT
#55316
On January 20 2016 22:50 DickMcFanny wrote:
Yesterday on Rachel Maddow, she said the nomination happen in AUGUST?!

WTF, why are we even talking about who is going to be the Republican / Democratic nominee already? It's more than half a year away!

first votes are 2 weeks away.

The US has a very very drawn out election period.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
January 20 2016 13:58 GMT
#55317
On January 19 2016 10:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 09:37 LemOn wrote:
Trump actually is a favourite with the bookies according to oddschecker?


If he was a favorite to win, his odds would be <1, and not a single site on oddschecker has him there for the nomination. Right now he's being assigned between 38% (the low end) and 44% (the high end). You still stand to gain more than your money if you place a bet on him to win the nomination. But he is closing in.

In fact, the only candidate with odds <1 for the nomination (and winning overall) is Clinton.


As in he has the highest chance to win is what i meant
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 20 2016 13:59 GMT
#55318
On January 20 2016 22:50 DickMcFanny wrote:
Yesterday on Rachel Maddow, she said the nominations happen in AUGUST?!

WTF, why are we even talking about who is going to be the Republican / Democratic nominee already? It's more than half a year away!


The actual convention is in August. The first primary is in early February, and the last is in mid-June. Welcome to US politics where we drag things out for more than 8 months because ??????
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10834 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-20 14:05:01
January 20 2016 14:04 GMT
#55319
On January 20 2016 22:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 22:50 DickMcFanny wrote:
Yesterday on Rachel Maddow, she said the nomination happen in AUGUST?!

WTF, why are we even talking about who is going to be the Republican / Democratic nominee already? It's more than half a year away!

first votes are 2 weeks away.

The US has a very very drawn out election period.


Which aren't really "official" elections because they only decide which candidate will get the backing of its party.


The media love it and its pretty entertaining.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
January 20 2016 14:04 GMT
#55320
Because it's highly lucrative for NBC and FOX?
Or because after citizens united lobbyists need more time to buy elections?
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