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'First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.' - Ghandi
Phase 2, it seems. Haters gonna hate 
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On January 21 2016 02:34 GoTuNk! wrote: 'First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.' - Ghandi Phase 2, it seems. Haters gonna hate
Except its Nate Silver, who isn't a hater in any way.
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Correction, people with no sense of the center/left don't see that Trump/Cruz is unelectable (aka the tea party and co)
The GOP very much sees it which is why they tried to sabotage Trump early on (to no avail) but at this stage the nomination is out of their control, all they can do is watch it happen.
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There is still one more debate before Iowa, we'll see what happens. It could actually matter. I'm sure Cruz will be asked about Palin and ethanol. Fairly sure.
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On January 21 2016 02:34 GoTuNk! wrote: 'First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.' - Ghandi Phase 2, it seems. Haters gonna hate
man, im having trouble putting that ghandi quote in trump context.
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On January 21 2016 02:52 Gorsameth wrote:Correction, people with no sense of the center/left don't see that Trump/Cruz is unelectable (aka the tea party and co) The GOP very much sees it which is why they tried to sabotage Trump early on (to no avail) but at this stage the nomination is out of their control, all they can do is watch it happen.
Lumping Trump with Cruz as unelectable creatures from the right is emblematic of a gross misunderstanding of what Trump is. At his core, he's a centrist and a populist. This truth routinely gets lost amid his bombast and immigration stance. The political experts have grossly underestimated Trump because they both miss this truth and they still don't have a good measure of this cycle's electorate (but they may be starting to catch on due to Trump's perseverance and Hillary's floundering). Like I said last summer, Trump is playing to a different set of rules than what we're accustomed to.
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On January 21 2016 03:07 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 02:52 Gorsameth wrote:Correction, people with no sense of the center/left don't see that Trump/Cruz is unelectable (aka the tea party and co) The GOP very much sees it which is why they tried to sabotage Trump early on (to no avail) but at this stage the nomination is out of their control, all they can do is watch it happen. Lumping Trump with Cruz as unelectable creatures from the right is emblematic of a gross misunderstanding of what Trump is. At his core, he's a centrist and a populist. This truth routinely gets lost amid his bombast and immigration stance. The political experts have grossly underestimated Trump because they both miss this truth and they still don't have a good measure of this cycle's electorate (but they may be starting to catch on due to Trump's perseverance and Hillary's floundering). Like I said last summer, Trump is playing to a different set of rules than what we're accustomed to.
And the left and most of the independents will laugh in his face if he becomes the Republican nomination. No he is not going to do what Romney failed to do and turn 180 degrees and be accepted for it.
He will always be that idiot that wants to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.
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On January 21 2016 03:11 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:07 xDaunt wrote:On January 21 2016 02:52 Gorsameth wrote:Correction, people with no sense of the center/left don't see that Trump/Cruz is unelectable (aka the tea party and co) The GOP very much sees it which is why they tried to sabotage Trump early on (to no avail) but at this stage the nomination is out of their control, all they can do is watch it happen. Lumping Trump with Cruz as unelectable creatures from the right is emblematic of a gross misunderstanding of what Trump is. At his core, he's a centrist and a populist. This truth routinely gets lost amid his bombast and immigration stance. The political experts have grossly underestimated Trump because they both miss this truth and they still don't have a good measure of this cycle's electorate (but they may be starting to catch on due to Trump's perseverance and Hillary's floundering). Like I said last summer, Trump is playing to a different set of rules than what we're accustomed to. And the left and most of the independents will laugh in his face if he becomes the Republican nomination. No he is not going to do what Romney failed to do and turn 180 degrees and be accepted for it. He will always be that idiot that wants to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.
What 180s do you think Trump needs to make?
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I agree with the populist part, I doubt that Trump is able to engineer a swing towards the middle. At best it seems like he'd be a number two choice based on that, and that's not good enough in the general (though it's viable in the primaries).
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On January 21 2016 03:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
I agree with the populist part, I doubt that Trump is able to engineer a swing towards the middle. At best it seems like he'd be a number two choice based on that, and that's not good enough in the general (though it's viable in the primaries).
Here's a hint: he's already in the middle.
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On January 21 2016 03:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:11 Gorsameth wrote:On January 21 2016 03:07 xDaunt wrote:On January 21 2016 02:52 Gorsameth wrote:Correction, people with no sense of the center/left don't see that Trump/Cruz is unelectable (aka the tea party and co) The GOP very much sees it which is why they tried to sabotage Trump early on (to no avail) but at this stage the nomination is out of their control, all they can do is watch it happen. Lumping Trump with Cruz as unelectable creatures from the right is emblematic of a gross misunderstanding of what Trump is. At his core, he's a centrist and a populist. This truth routinely gets lost amid his bombast and immigration stance. The political experts have grossly underestimated Trump because they both miss this truth and they still don't have a good measure of this cycle's electorate (but they may be starting to catch on due to Trump's perseverance and Hillary's floundering). Like I said last summer, Trump is playing to a different set of rules than what we're accustomed to. And the left and most of the independents will laugh in his face if he becomes the Republican nomination. No he is not going to do what Romney failed to do and turn 180 degrees and be accepted for it. He will always be that idiot that wants to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. What 180s do you think Trump needs to make?
Do you think he can win the independent vote on his current stance?
Edit: yeah so you do... ehm I'm going to have to go with a hell no he is not in the middle at all. The guy is as far right as Cruz is lol.
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On January 21 2016 03:07 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 02:34 GoTuNk! wrote: 'First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.' - Ghandi Phase 2, it seems. Haters gonna hate man, im having trouble putting that ghandi quote in trump context.
First everyone said his candidacy was a joke. It is clear now he is pretty serious about it.
Now his opponents call him an idiot, despite him crushing the polls, playing the media better than anyone, and being more successful in various fields than pretty much every one of the people that call him an idiot.
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On January 21 2016 03:22 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:07 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 21 2016 02:34 GoTuNk! wrote: 'First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.' - Ghandi Phase 2, it seems. Haters gonna hate man, im having trouble putting that ghandi quote in trump context. First everyone said his candidacy was a joke. It is clear now he is pretty serious about it. Now his opponents call him an idiot, despite him crushing the polls, playing the media better than anyone, and being more successful in various fields than pretty much every one of the people that call him an idiot.
Being the biggest idiot among idiots and having a following based on idiots an biggots is a feat but does not make him a genius.
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On January 21 2016 03:24 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:22 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 21 2016 03:07 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 21 2016 02:34 GoTuNk! wrote: 'First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.' - Ghandi Phase 2, it seems. Haters gonna hate man, im having trouble putting that ghandi quote in trump context. First everyone said his candidacy was a joke. It is clear now he is pretty serious about it. Now his opponents call him an idiot, despite him crushing the polls, playing the media better than anyone, and being more successful in various fields than pretty much every one of the people that call him an idiot. Being the biggest idiot among idiots and having a following based on idiots an biggots is a feat but does not make him a genius.
And lets not forget that the news is obsessed with polls, even if they are worthless. That most of the polls provided are either head to head or do not offer the option of "have not decided".
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/
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On January 21 2016 03:22 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On January 21 2016 03:11 Gorsameth wrote:On January 21 2016 03:07 xDaunt wrote:On January 21 2016 02:52 Gorsameth wrote:Correction, people with no sense of the center/left don't see that Trump/Cruz is unelectable (aka the tea party and co) The GOP very much sees it which is why they tried to sabotage Trump early on (to no avail) but at this stage the nomination is out of their control, all they can do is watch it happen. Lumping Trump with Cruz as unelectable creatures from the right is emblematic of a gross misunderstanding of what Trump is. At his core, he's a centrist and a populist. This truth routinely gets lost amid his bombast and immigration stance. The political experts have grossly underestimated Trump because they both miss this truth and they still don't have a good measure of this cycle's electorate (but they may be starting to catch on due to Trump's perseverance and Hillary's floundering). Like I said last summer, Trump is playing to a different set of rules than what we're accustomed to. And the left and most of the independents will laugh in his face if he becomes the Republican nomination. No he is not going to do what Romney failed to do and turn 180 degrees and be accepted for it. He will always be that idiot that wants to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. What 180s do you think Trump needs to make? Do you think he can win the independent vote on his current stance? Edit: yeah so you do... ehm I'm going to have to go with a hell no he is not in the middle at all. The guy is as far right as Cruz is lol.
What exactly do you think his "far right" positions are? He only has one: immigration.
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On January 21 2016 03:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
I agree with the populist part, I doubt that Trump is able to engineer a swing towards the middle. At best it seems like he'd be a number two choice based on that, and that's not good enough in the general (though it's viable in the primaries). Here's a hint: he's already in the middle.
Policy-wise, I'd more or less agree. Certainly not when it comes to his rhetoric though, obviously.
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On January 21 2016 03:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:22 Gorsameth wrote:On January 21 2016 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On January 21 2016 03:11 Gorsameth wrote:On January 21 2016 03:07 xDaunt wrote:On January 21 2016 02:52 Gorsameth wrote:Correction, people with no sense of the center/left don't see that Trump/Cruz is unelectable (aka the tea party and co) The GOP very much sees it which is why they tried to sabotage Trump early on (to no avail) but at this stage the nomination is out of their control, all they can do is watch it happen. Lumping Trump with Cruz as unelectable creatures from the right is emblematic of a gross misunderstanding of what Trump is. At his core, he's a centrist and a populist. This truth routinely gets lost amid his bombast and immigration stance. The political experts have grossly underestimated Trump because they both miss this truth and they still don't have a good measure of this cycle's electorate (but they may be starting to catch on due to Trump's perseverance and Hillary's floundering). Like I said last summer, Trump is playing to a different set of rules than what we're accustomed to. And the left and most of the independents will laugh in his face if he becomes the Republican nomination. No he is not going to do what Romney failed to do and turn 180 degrees and be accepted for it. He will always be that idiot that wants to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. What 180s do you think Trump needs to make? Do you think he can win the independent vote on his current stance? Edit: yeah so you do... ehm I'm going to have to go with a hell no he is not in the middle at all. The guy is as far right as Cruz is lol. What exactly do you think his "far right" positions are? He only has one: immigration.
Tax and if you're as regressive as he is on tax then that means huge cuts changes to the relationship between the government and people in every other area.
Did we forget that his tax plan involved reducing the tax burden by $390m on the poorest 25% of Americans and $357,500m on the richest 2.4% of Americans. For every dollar of tax cuts the working poor gets their CEO receives a $10,000 tax cut.
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I honestly don't see why this is so hard to see. Trump has purposefully said next to nothing regarding most of his policies. He's riding his immigration position and anti-establishment "fuck you" rhetoric to the republican nomination because that's all he has to do. He's virtually a blank slate position-wise. However, even a cursory look into his past reveals that he dude is about as centrist as you can get overall.
Fuck, if nothing else, I'd like to think that I'd have proven my conservative bonafides around here over the years. Take it from an expert on the subject: Trump is not a conservative.
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How is it possible to reduce the tax burden of the poorest 25% of Americans? Most of them already either are not paying federal income tax or are receiving refundable tax credits through the EITC.
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On January 21 2016 03:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
I agree with the populist part, I doubt that Trump is able to engineer a swing towards the middle. At best it seems like he'd be a number two choice based on that, and that's not good enough in the general (though it's viable in the primaries). Here's a hint: he's already in the middle.
Policy-wise, he's probably a little left-of-center (whatever the heck that means) or moderate, I'll agree. The message is palatable, but the messenger really isn't for a lot of people outside the group that's going to get him to the Republican nomination.
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