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On January 15 2016 21:24 DickMcFanny wrote:
That place seems like a proper mess. What is it about Michigan that makes it such a shithole? A crumbling automobile industry?
The automobile industry is booming right now and Michigan is far from a shithole. A lot of the cities have gone down hill due to urban sprawl and a declining tax base. People have left the urban cities to move into the neighboring towns/suburbs. The cities are left with less money and infrastructure they cannot afford with their current revenues.
FWIW Michigan is home to some of the nicest suburbs in the country so calling it a shithole I'd ridiculous.
A lot of the problems are because politicians kept kicking the can down the road instead of cutting things when they started to take in less revenue. Its a terrible cycle because the worse or more expensive the city services become the more people leave leading to even less revenues and shitty services.
Some cities are starting to get a bit of a resurgence because of cheap property and incentives for business to come back. Part of it is also that the younger generation seems to be going back to more urban centers.
People just fucked up in flint with the water thing. It was probably an error on someone's part or something that was overlooked. With tight deadlines an lots of political pressure it's easy for things to get missed. The real tragedy is the lack of response on complaints about the water for the past year and that people got sick. I think it was just engineers/politicians/managers trying to cover their ass instead of taking the political hit and admitting they fucked up from the beginning. It's a big issue in the society we live in today 
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The real tragedy is the lack of response on complaints about the water for the past year and that people got sick.
They responded, it was just with propaganda and telling people it was fine to drink the poison they were selling them.
Edit: Also watch out establishment tier candidates Lindsey Graham has just endorsed Jeb! 
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On January 16 2016 00:49 Deathstar wrote:
Hillary Clinton is current losing to Ted Cruz in polls, and barely beating Trump, and Sanders beats both Cruz and Trump by almost 20 points.
It's probably more of a case of "I wouldn't vote for her/him, so I'd pick the other one," right now. I think, when push comes to shove, any current Democrat candidate vs any current Republican, Democrat wins. Scandals and brilliant campaigning could swing that, of course, but that's where I see it now, especially if we get an "anti-establishment" candidate from the Republicans.
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What kind of person would vote for Ted Cruz?
He's such a vile creature and so transparently evil...
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On January 16 2016 01:12 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:49 Deathstar wrote:
Hillary Clinton is current losing to Ted Cruz in polls, and barely beating Trump, and Sanders beats both Cruz and Trump by almost 20 points. It's probably more of a case of "I wouldn't vote for her/him, so I'd pick the other one," right now. I think, when push comes to shove, any current Democrat candidate vs any current Republican, Democrat wins. Scandals and brilliant campaigning could swing that, of course, but that's where I see it now, especially if we get an "anti-establishment" candidate from the Republicans.
Hillary is a ticking time bomb of scandals. If Hillary becomes the Democratic nominee, Republicans have a chance at winning.
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On January 16 2016 00:42 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Quite the opposite. The Republicans have no chance of winning the election. The winner of the Democratic primary- either Bernie or Hillary- will become the next president of the United States. hillary - yes. she's just pro and knows how to play the game - for better and worse. bernie, no way. I would even go so far as to say Trump with his atrocious polling numbers could beat him in the general. why? negative campaigning. republicans are paramount at that, they made kerry, a decorated war veteran look horrible next to bush - who had basically had a vacation at home. and bernie is the easiest target imaginable. let's just put it that way. republicans would rather have bernie to run against, than the correct numbers on the current superball. and I am only half joking.
Pretty much every poll has Sanders way ahead of the Republicans. Here's one of many (which is a conservative underestimate of the difference, compared to others);
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yfCGIHc.png)
Other polls show the range to be even greater, and all of them also show Bernie's lead to be greater than Hillary's, when head to head against Republicans.
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Meanwhile Trump has more scandal already exploded than everyone else combined. What a world we live in.
A university poll shows Dem leading without any sample base or size, how unexpected!
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On January 16 2016 01:24 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 01:12 aksfjh wrote:On January 16 2016 00:49 Deathstar wrote:
Hillary Clinton is current losing to Ted Cruz in polls, and barely beating Trump, and Sanders beats both Cruz and Trump by almost 20 points. It's probably more of a case of "I wouldn't vote for her/him, so I'd pick the other one," right now. I think, when push comes to shove, any current Democrat candidate vs any current Republican, Democrat wins. Scandals and brilliant campaigning could swing that, of course, but that's where I see it now, especially if we get an "anti-establishment" candidate from the Republicans. Hillary is more of a ticking time bomb of scandals. If Hillary becomes the Democratic nominee, Republicans have a chance at winning.
Seriously they have well over a decade of dirt digging they planned just for a general against Hillary. They planned on letting it rip during the primaries (where the losers could say the worst stuff) but as Bernie gained traction they laid off a bit.
I rarely agree with Ann Coulter, but she was right about Romney and she's right about Republicans losing to Bernie in a general.
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[QUOTE]On January 16 2016 01:27 ragz_gt wrote:
Meanwhile Trump has more scandal already exploded than everyone else combined. What a world we live in.
A university poll shows Dem leading without any sample base or size, how unexpected
EPT
