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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23956 Posts
January 07 2016 22:17 GMT
#54441
On January 08 2016 07:03 Simberto wrote:
Do those guidelines actually do anything? Or are they basically the government saying "Yeah, it would be a good idea to eat like this" and everyone else ignoring it because a) they don't care or b) they believe they know better.



Pretty sure it's like the food pyramid (corporate propaganda disguised as a PSA) "You can't tell people that what they are eating is literally killing them, it will hurt our business of selling it to them!"

Kind of like when they told us how mega-healthy milk was for you (spoiler alert: it's not that great).

lol@zeo, well there would certainly be a party in the most backwoods and ignorant parts of the country. Invalidating the first black president has been a top priority mission for a large segment of the republican party since he was elected. Republicans let Trump spout his crazy and never condemned him and now he's showing them what they created (and it's kicking their asses).

The whole Cruz vs Obama being born in the US is probably one of the clearest indicators that a large swath of the Republican party has checked out of reality and set up camp in crazytown.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 07 2016 22:41 GMT
#54442
On January 08 2016 07:03 Simberto wrote:
Do those guidelines actually do anything? Or are they basically the government saying "Yeah, it would be a good idea to eat like this" and everyone else ignoring it because a) they don't care or b) they believe they know better.

There are real teeth with regards to federal school lunch funding. I think many local governments also statutorily adopt them in thier own programs.
Freeeeeeedom
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
January 08 2016 00:00 GMT
#54443
Isn't the emerging scientific consensus that dietary cholesterol isn't super important anyway, especially when we're talking about egg consumption? Not surprised they dropped it, considering a whole bunch of other countries don't include it in their guidelines.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 08 2016 01:40 GMT
#54444
This Trump rally in Vermont is hilarious. One heckler after another being thrown out.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23956 Posts
January 08 2016 01:49 GMT
#54445
On January 08 2016 10:40 xDaunt wrote:
This Trump rally in Vermont is hilarious. One heckler after another being thrown out.


Rumor is there are more protesters outside than supporters inside, considering all of the ones getting thrown out it's probably accurate.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45925 Posts
January 08 2016 01:56 GMT
#54446
According to CNN, when people were trying to walk in, they were explicitly being asked by security if they were supporters of Trump, and anyone who didn't say Yes wasn't allowed entry... so the protesters inside are merely the fraction that lied to get in in the first place!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 08 2016 01:59 GMT
#54447
On January 08 2016 09:00 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Isn't the emerging scientific consensus that dietary cholesterol isn't super important anyway, especially when we're talking about egg consumption? Not surprised they dropped it, considering a whole bunch of other countries don't include it in their guidelines.


that is my recollection as well. Haven't done any proper looking though.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 08 2016 02:38 GMT
#54448
On January 08 2016 09:00 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Isn't the emerging scientific consensus that dietary cholesterol isn't super important anyway, especially when we're talking about egg consumption? Not surprised they dropped it, considering a whole bunch of other countries don't include it in their guidelines.


Well, as far as FDA dietary guidelines go, the real question is how is this program still going? Historically, they have been about as effective at giving dietary advice and improving the health of Americans as Miss Cleo is at predicting lottery numbers.
Freeeeeeedom
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 02:43:41
January 08 2016 02:43 GMT
#54449
Maine Gov. Paul LePage made a racist claim about his state's heroin epidemic on Wednesday, alleging men with nicknames like "D-Money" are coming from cities to sell heroin and "impregnate" Maine's white women.

During a town hall meeting in Bridgton, Maine, LePage was asked how he plans to address the state's heroin epidemic. The first step, LePage said, is beefing up enforcement.

"Now the traffickers ... These are guys with the name D-Money, Smoothie, Shifty, these types of guys. They come from Connecticut and New York, they come up here, they sell their heroin, and they go back home," LePage said. "Incidentally, half the time they impregnate a young, white girl before they leave, which is a real sad thing because then we have another issue that we've got to deal with down the road. We're going to make them very severe penalties."

LePage's office didn't immediately return a request for comment. The governor's office did provide comment to the Portland Press-Herald, which first reported the remarks.

"The governor is not making comments about race. Race is irrelevant,” LePage communications director Peter Steele said. “What is relevant is the cost to state taxpayers for welfare and the emotional costs for these kids who are born as a result of involvement with drug traffickers. His heart goes out to these kids because he had a difficult childhood, too. We need to stop the drug traffickers from coming into our state."

Maine, like many other states, has seen a major spike in heroin treatment and overdoses in recent years. LePage has previously called for greater enforcement against out-of-state dealers, and said last year he would consider using the state's National Guard.

State lawmakers are considering a bill to help ease the crisis that would include money for Drug Enforcement Administration agents and other law enforcement, in addition to funding for treatment programs and facilities. LePage, however, has threatened to veto the bill for what he said was favoritism toward treatment facilities receiving funding.

In August, a drug addiction clinic in Sanford, Maine, closed its doors, blaming LePage's policies.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 08 2016 02:52 GMT
#54450
D-Money coming up from Connecticut and New York, selling heroin and bedding broads. Now that's putting your foot in your mouth with style.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Esk23
Profile Joined July 2011
United States447 Posts
January 08 2016 04:13 GMT
#54451
On January 08 2016 10:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 10:40 xDaunt wrote:
This Trump rally in Vermont is hilarious. One heckler after another being thrown out.


Rumor is there are more protesters outside than supporters inside, considering all of the ones getting thrown out it's probably accurate.


Rumor? Source? Evidence?

There were thousands of people lined up outside that couldn't get in, typical of Trump rallies wherever he goes.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 08 2016 04:21 GMT
#54452
The first medical marijuana dispensaries in New York state opened on Thursday, as the state became the latest to launch a comprehensive program for certified patients to legally obtain and use cannabis to treat severe illnesses.

The first dispensary opened its doors in Manhattan’s bustling Union Square, a modest facility run by the Columbia Care medical marijuana company and sandwiched between an urgent care center and a falafel restaurant.

“It’s gorgeous,” one patient, who declined to be named, said as he left the dispensary. “They were as excited about seeing me as I was about seeing them.”

Newly equipped with a state-issued medical marijuana ID card, the patient, 53 years old and based in Long Island, visited the clinic in search of oils to treat the symptoms of neuropathy, a form of nerve disease common to diabetics. He exited the dispensary without buying anything, as the facility only had tinctures in stock on its opening day.

Almost two years after governor Andrew Cuomo signed the Compassionate Care Act that allows qualifying patients to use marijuana to ease symptoms, smokeable and edible marijuana remain prohibited. Patients will only have access to cannabis in the form of tinctures, concentrate for vaporization or orally ingestible capsules.

Under the program, New York has licensed five organizations to make and sell medical marijuana. Each organization is allowed to operate four dispensaries, and all are expected to be running by the end of January. Eight of the 20 dispensaries opened across the state on Thursday, including the Union Square location.

Outside the Manhattan dispensary, curious people approached the doors but didn’t go inside. The business is starting small – patients can visit and consult with pharmacists by appointment to find the right marijuana treatment.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23956 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 04:34:13
January 08 2016 04:26 GMT
#54453
On January 08 2016 13:13 Esk23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 10:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 08 2016 10:40 xDaunt wrote:
This Trump rally in Vermont is hilarious. One heckler after another being thrown out.


Rumor is there are more protesters outside than supporters inside, considering all of the ones getting thrown out it's probably accurate.


Rumor? Source? Evidence?

There were thousands of people lined up outside that couldn't get in, typical of Trump rallies wherever he goes.


I don't think anyone took a head count of protesters but they were outside cheering the people who got kicked out and there's this...



I mean it was in Burlington, Vermont. Everyone knows a lot of the people there came to protest Trump lying about his attendance has become standard operating procedure for him though.

On January 08 2016 13:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The first medical marijuana dispensaries in New York state opened on Thursday, as the state became the latest to launch a comprehensive program for certified patients to legally obtain and use cannabis to treat severe illnesses.

The first dispensary opened its doors in Manhattan’s bustling Union Square, a modest facility run by the Columbia Care medical marijuana company and sandwiched between an urgent care center and a falafel restaurant.

“It’s gorgeous,” one patient, who declined to be named, said as he left the dispensary. “They were as excited about seeing me as I was about seeing them.”

Newly equipped with a state-issued medical marijuana ID card, the patient, 53 years old and based in Long Island, visited the clinic in search of oils to treat the symptoms of neuropathy, a form of nerve disease common to diabetics. He exited the dispensary without buying anything, as the facility only had tinctures in stock on its opening day.

Almost two years after governor Andrew Cuomo signed the Compassionate Care Act that allows qualifying patients to use marijuana to ease symptoms, smokeable and edible marijuana remain prohibited. Patients will only have access to cannabis in the form of tinctures, concentrate for vaporization or orally ingestible capsules.

Under the program, New York has licensed five organizations to make and sell medical marijuana. Each organization is allowed to operate four dispensaries, and all are expected to be running by the end of January. Eight of the 20 dispensaries opened across the state on Thursday, including the Union Square location.

Outside the Manhattan dispensary, curious people approached the doors but didn’t go inside. The business is starting small – patients can visit and consult with pharmacists by appointment to find the right marijuana treatment.


Source

I'm sure it will turn into the cannabis fueled hellscape Colorado has become in no time... That there are still people arguing against cannabis altogether, baffles me.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 10:05:03
January 08 2016 09:47 GMT
#54454
On January 08 2016 10:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
According to CNN, when people were trying to walk in, they were explicitly being asked by security if they were supporters of Trump, and anyone who didn't say Yes wasn't allowed entry... so the protesters inside are merely the fraction that lied to get in in the first place!



Is this the rally? I've been watching it for 20 minutes and no hecklers, everyone seems to be having fun. They even have a little bit around 6 minutes in where Trump says 'whos gonna pay pay for the wall?', and the crowd says 'Mexico!'

edit: I'm really impressed with Trumps ability to hold onto his thought and not lose what he was talking about. He'll start telling aa anecdote or story and a few sentences in he takes 30sec to talk about how great the crowd/state is ect. and he just naturally picks up where he left off. The same for hecklers, there is no way to get under his skin.

Its kind of grasping at straw to say his Vermont crowd were all democrats. He even talks about banning no gun zones in schools and the crowd cheers, no boo's. And Vermont is Bernie central.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
January 08 2016 09:53 GMT
#54455
so, i heard you guys like nazi comparisons:
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 08 2016 14:14 GMT
#54456
Meh it's limited to medical marijuana
rip passion
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 08 2016 16:38 GMT
#54457
On January 08 2016 13:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 13:13 Esk23 wrote:
On January 08 2016 10:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 08 2016 10:40 xDaunt wrote:
This Trump rally in Vermont is hilarious. One heckler after another being thrown out.


Rumor is there are more protesters outside than supporters inside, considering all of the ones getting thrown out it's probably accurate.


Rumor? Source? Evidence?

There were thousands of people lined up outside that couldn't get in, typical of Trump rallies wherever he goes.


I don't think anyone took a head count of protesters but they were outside cheering the people who got kicked out and there's this...

https://twitter.com/Mimzy122/status/685273022580666368

I mean it was in Burlington, Vermont. Everyone knows a lot of the people there came to protest Trump lying about his attendance has become standard operating procedure for him though.


A tweet by a dude with a Bernie Sanders icon saying people in an area dislike Trump more than people like him isn't exactly surprising :p I'm not so sure I would put much faith in that tweet. Maybe its true, maybe not.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 08 2016 16:45 GMT
#54458
Those living near a landfill complex in suburban St. Louis where an underground fire is burning near Cold War-era nuclear weapons waste say they remain afraid and frustrated despite a government pledge to build a barrier between the two.

In the past, tests have found radioactive materials in the complex that were previously unknown to regulators, raising fears that the extent of the contamination — in terms of severity and location — remains unclear. Maintaining that its data is sound, the EPA, which has regulatory oversight over the West Lake Landfill, announced on Dec. 31 that it is moving forward with a plan to build an isolation barrier between the fire and known waste, but many residents and environmentalists are worried that is too little too late.

“I think this was an announcement about an announcement,” said Dawn Chapman, who lives near the site and is one of the most vocal residents calling for a “safe and permanent solution” to the landfill’s radioactive contamination. “There’s no details in it.”

A largely unknown amount of radioactive waste from the Manhattan Project was illegally dumped at the West Lake Landfill in Bridgeton in 1973. In 2010, an underground fire was detected in the adjacent Bridgeton Landfill. Reports ordered by Missouri’s Attorney General — who has sued the landfills’ owner over the state of the complex — suggest that the fire could reach the known radioactive waste in a matter of months.

Echoing Chapman’s concerns, Ed Smith of the Missouri Coalition for the Environment said any barrier would be “a joke” so long as the extent of the radioactive contamination at the site remains unknown.

The EPA, however, is confident in the characterization of the site, according to EPA Region 7 spokesperson Chris Whitley. The agency oversaw additional testing to characterize the extent of the contamination in 2015, but the results are not being released to the public at this time.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 08 2016 18:32 GMT
#54459
Zachary Stevens was a teenager headed to bible study when his Saturn Sky shot across a Texas highway into a pickup and killed the driver. Ruben Vazquez, 20, died after a drunk slammed into his stalled Chevy Cobalt on a California freeway. James Yingling III couldn’t brake or steer his Saturn Ion away from a culvert in Pennsylvania. He lingered for 17 days before dying at 35.

These are among the claims facing General Motors Co. this year, the first of hundreds demanding that GM pay for the deaths of loved ones or injuries ranging from broken bones to paralysis. The raft of trials, scattered across the country, begins Monday in federal court in Manhattan.

Engineers at America’s biggest automaker, which got a $50 billion government bailout in the financial crisis, knew of a flawed ignition switch but rejected a fix that would have cost 90 cents apiece, according to evidence provided to lawmakers. The switch could be jarred into the “accessory” position, shutting off the engine, disabling power steering and brakes and preventing air bags from deploying. The faulty switches are linked to the deaths of at least 124 people, many of them in entry-level cars marketed to young drivers -- a graduation gift from proud parents, a starter car for college -- least prepared to react to a sudden loss of power on the road.

General Motors spent 2014 under a harsh congressional spotlight, recalling millions of Ions, Cobalts and other vehicles. It spent 2015 scrambling for deals with prosecutors and plaintiffs. It’s already paid more than $2 billion to resolve investigations and a securities lawsuit, as well as injury claims. This year, the Detroit company will begin to see how big the total bill will be.

The car maker, which faces at least 16 trials on death and injury claims in state and federal courts in the U.S. in 2016, has said in regulatory filings that it couldn’t estimate its potential liability. It hasn’t set aside a reserve for the pending lawsuits, Jim Cain, a spokesman, said in an interview. He said GM will deal with the suits one at a time, challenging the plaintiffs to show that the defective switches caused the accidents.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 18:52:29
January 08 2016 18:49 GMT
#54460
On January 09 2016 03:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Zachary Stevens was a teenager headed to bible study when his Saturn Sky shot across a Texas highway into a pickup and killed the driver. Ruben Vazquez, 20, died after a drunk slammed into his stalled Chevy Cobalt on a California freeway. James Yingling III couldn’t brake or steer his Saturn Ion away from a culvert in Pennsylvania. He lingered for 17 days before dying at 35.

These are among the claims facing General Motors Co. this year, the first of hundreds demanding that GM pay for the deaths of loved ones or injuries ranging from broken bones to paralysis. The raft of trials, scattered across the country, begins Monday in federal court in Manhattan.

Engineers at America’s biggest automaker, which got a $50 billion government bailout in the financial crisis, knew of a flawed ignition switch but rejected a fix that would have cost 90 cents apiece, according to evidence provided to lawmakers. The switch could be jarred into the “accessory” position, shutting off the engine, disabling power steering and brakes and preventing air bags from deploying. The faulty switches are linked to the deaths of at least 124 people, many of them in entry-level cars marketed to young drivers -- a graduation gift from proud parents, a starter car for college -- least prepared to react to a sudden loss of power on the road.

General Motors spent 2014 under a harsh congressional spotlight, recalling millions of Ions, Cobalts and other vehicles. It spent 2015 scrambling for deals with prosecutors and plaintiffs. It’s already paid more than $2 billion to resolve investigations and a securities lawsuit, as well as injury claims. This year, the Detroit company will begin to see how big the total bill will be.

The car maker, which faces at least 16 trials on death and injury claims in state and federal courts in the U.S. in 2016, has said in regulatory filings that it couldn’t estimate its potential liability. It hasn’t set aside a reserve for the pending lawsuits, Jim Cain, a spokesman, said in an interview. He said GM will deal with the suits one at a time, challenging the plaintiffs to show that the defective switches caused the accidents.


Source


Joining Takata and Volkswagen in the auto industry hall of shame

It's insane what these companies think they can get away with. NYTimes had a great piece on DuPont yesterday

The Lawyer Who Became DuPont’s Worst Nightmare
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