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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 07 2016 00:43 GMT
#54401
On January 07 2016 00:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
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idk man

Newsweek senior writer today (and later deleted lol)


Strong ground game in Iowa, indeed.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-07 00:47:43
January 07 2016 00:47 GMT
#54402
Reporter has political opinion on personal twitter account, later deletes tweet because it likely wasn't appropriate. People demand his firing. Later those people will go on to complain about people being to "politically correct".

Just remember that progressives do not have a monopoly on outrage culture.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 07 2016 00:53 GMT
#54403
I know very few people that would see a nazi march replete with flags and talk about political opinion and political correctness and "likely wasn't appropriate." Going a bit overboard in your generalizations, aren't we Plansix?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-07 01:37:06
January 07 2016 01:36 GMT
#54404
What you are saying is you're offended and he should be fired for offending you? Just remember this moment the next time a group of left leaning college students call for a professor to be fired for saying a dumb thing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 07 2016 01:39 GMT
#54405
Trump is pulling out the birther argument on Ted Cruz.

Well this is delightful.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 07 2016 02:18 GMT
#54406
If the professor is comparing his student body to Hitler, count me on board. You're just trying to dumb down nazi comments to lump into generic whiners with an amazing feat of ass-covering. He's not taking heat for just any political opinion, or overblown political correctness, and it's unquestionably beyond the pale. You're grasping at straws, but please let me know the next time Cruz or Trump call the Clinton campaign Nazis and post images. You won't find me bemoaning political correctness.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45925 Posts
January 07 2016 02:21 GMT
#54407
On January 07 2016 10:39 Jibba wrote:
Trump is pulling out the birther argument on Ted Cruz.

Well this is delightful.


At least Cruz (and McCain) have birther situations that should at least make someone take a second to figure out the nuanced law that still let them run for president... unlike Obama's situation that should have never even been a cause for pause.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-07 02:32:40
January 07 2016 02:32 GMT
#54408
On January 07 2016 11:18 Danglars wrote:
If the professor is comparing his student body to Hitler, count me on board. You're just trying to dumb down nazi comments to lump into generic whiners with an amazing feat of ass-covering. He's not taking heat for just any political opinion, or overblown political correctness, and it's unquestionably beyond the pale. You're grasping at straws, but please let me know the next time Cruz or Trump call the Clinton campaign Nazis and post images. You won't find me bemoaning political correctness.

well, Nazi's are on the extreme right side of the political spectrum so that's pretty unlikely to come from someone from the right spectrum talking to someone on the center/left

What about something along the lines of only the most evil communist regimes are trying to disarm their populations! <insert Democrat> is literally the reincarnation of <insert famous communist who's also responsible for millions of deaths>
That probably happened before from journalists who are passionate about the 2nd amendment?
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BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
January 07 2016 02:32 GMT
#54409
On January 07 2016 11:18 Danglars wrote:
If the professor is comparing his student body to Hitler, count me on board. You're just trying to dumb down nazi comments to lump into generic whiners with an amazing feat of ass-covering. He's not taking heat for just any political opinion, or overblown political correctness, and it's unquestionably beyond the pale. You're grasping at straws, but please let me know the next time Cruz or Trump call the Clinton campaign Nazis and post images. You won't find me bemoaning political correctness.


Danglars, how fucking hard do you actually think it would be to find high-level republicans comparing Obama to hitler or the nazis?

Dude, come the fuck on. Your cognitive dissonance on this one is even more impressive than usual.
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 07 2016 02:36 GMT
#54410
On January 07 2016 11:18 Danglars wrote:
If the professor is comparing his student body to Hitler, count me on board. You're just trying to dumb down nazi comments to lump into generic whiners with an amazing feat of ass-covering. He's not taking heat for just any political opinion, or overblown political correctness, and it's unquestionably beyond the pale. You're grasping at straws, but please let me know the next time Cruz or Trump call the Clinton campaign Nazis and post images. You won't find me bemoaning political correctness.

All I am hearing from you is that he offended you and you want him fired because he hurt your feelings.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 07 2016 02:56 GMT
#54411
On January 07 2016 11:32 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 11:18 Danglars wrote:
If the professor is comparing his student body to Hitler, count me on board. You're just trying to dumb down nazi comments to lump into generic whiners with an amazing feat of ass-covering. He's not taking heat for just any political opinion, or overblown political correctness, and it's unquestionably beyond the pale. You're grasping at straws, but please let me know the next time Cruz or Trump call the Clinton campaign Nazis and post images. You won't find me bemoaning political correctness.

well, Nazi's are on the extreme right side of the political spectrum so that's pretty unlikely to come from someone from the right spectrum talking to someone on the center/left

What about something along the lines of only the most evil communist regimes are trying to disarm their populations! <insert Democrat> is literally the reincarnation of <insert famous communist who's also responsible for millions of deaths>
That probably happened before from journalists who are passionate about the 2nd amendment?


Oh shit doesn't that happen like... all the time?
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-07 03:10:38
January 07 2016 03:09 GMT
#54412
On January 07 2016 11:18 Danglars wrote:
If the professor is comparing his student body to Hitler, count me on board. You're just trying to dumb down nazi comments to lump into generic whiners with an amazing feat of ass-covering. He's not taking heat for just any political opinion, or overblown political correctness, and it's unquestionably beyond the pale. You're grasping at straws, but please let me know the next time Cruz or Trump call the Clinton campaign Nazis and post images. You won't find me bemoaning political correctness.


I hope you leapt to Obama's defense in 2008 when Ann Coulter called Obama's autobiography a "dime store mein Kampf" and said he was a "two-bit Hitler." Or when Obamacare was called "Hitleresque." Or when him talking to children meant he was making his own "Hitler youth." Or when Limbaugh says he's "sending out his brown-shirts."
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 07 2016 03:11 GMT
#54413
On January 07 2016 11:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 10:39 Jibba wrote:
Trump is pulling out the birther argument on Ted Cruz.

Well this is delightful.


At least Cruz (and McCain) have birther situations that should at least make someone take a second to figure out the nuanced law that still let them run for president... unlike Obama's situation that should have never even been a cause for pause.


It wasn't a cause for pause. The birther movement was a small sliver of Republican voters (a segment of the already small Tea party) during a time of extreme partisan politics. That is to be expected. To almost every other American, it was a non issue.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45925 Posts
January 07 2016 03:25 GMT
#54414
On January 07 2016 12:11 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 11:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 07 2016 10:39 Jibba wrote:
Trump is pulling out the birther argument on Ted Cruz.

Well this is delightful.


At least Cruz (and McCain) have birther situations that should at least make someone take a second to figure out the nuanced law that still let them run for president... unlike Obama's situation that should have never even been a cause for pause.


It wasn't a cause for pause. The birther movement was a small sliver of Republican voters (a segment of the already small Tea party) during a time of extreme partisan politics. That is to be expected. To almost every other American, it was a non issue.


It permeated Fox News pretty regularly, including being brought up plenty of times by Hannity, Limbaugh, and Dobbs. And big conservative names like Palin, Gingrich, Bachmann, and Huckabee were birthers, along with Trump and a bunch of other random celebrities who had the ear of many a layman.

I think it just continued to reinforce the bigotry that Obama must be an African Muslim because he obviously hates Christian America, and it's easy to see because he's got dark skin. And I'm pretty sure that something like 1/3-1/2 of conservatives polled during the height of the birther issue believed that Obama was born outside of America. Here are a bunch of polls, done at the time, that support that notion- that it really wasn't just a small sliver of Republicans who were birthers:

+ Show Spoiler +
Opinion surveys

In October 2008, the Orange County Register's OC Political Pulse poll found that a third of responding Republicans believed that Obama had been born outside the United States.[177] As a result of the widespread publicity given to the citizenship controversy, 60% of respondents in an Ohio State University survey carried out in November 2008 had heard of the issue. However, only 10% believed the claims that Obama was not a citizen.[178]

An opinion poll carried out for Daily Kos by Research 2000 in July 2009 found that 77% of Americans believed that Obama was born in the U.S., while 11% didn't, and 12% were unsure. However, Republicans and Southerners were far more likely than other political or demographic groups to doubt that Obama was born in the United States. 58% of Republicans either believed that Obama was not born in the U.S. (28%) or were not sure (30%), with 42% believing that he was. An overwhelming majority of Democrats (93%) and independents (83%) believed that he was born in the U.S. Support for the belief that Obama was born outside the U.S. was strongest in the South, where only 47% of those polled believed he was born in the U.S., compared with an average of 90% of residents of the Northeast, Midwest and West.[179] A marked racial disparity in the South was also apparent. The Politico's congressional reporter, Glenn Thrush, commented that the Research 2000 poll "explains why Republicans, including Roy Blunt, are playing footsie with the Birther fringe."[179] Writing on National Journal's Pollster.com blog, Brendan Nyhan observed that the poll "suggests that the encouragement of the birth certificate myth by conservative pundits and Republican politicians has begun to activate the GOP base on this issue."[180]

A Public Policy Polling survey carried out in August 2009 found that 32% of Republicans in Virginia thought that Obama was born in the U.S., 41% thought he was foreign-born and the remaining 27% were unsure.[181] In Utah, an August 2009 poll carried out for the Deseret News and KSL-TV found that 67% of Utahns accepted the evidence that Obama was born in the U.S. The poll found that those who do not believe that Obama was born in the United States, or do not know, are predominantly middle-aged, lower-income Republican-leaning individuals without a college education.[182]

A Pew Research Center poll found that 80% of Americans had heard about the Obama citizenship claims by August 2009. The poll found a significant partisan divide in views of the news coverage, with 58% of Democrats saying that the allegations had received too much attention from the media. Republicans were more inclined to say that the allegations had received too little attention, with 39% expressing this view against only 26% saying that the controversy had received too much attention.[183]

In a Harris Poll online survey of 2,320 adults conducted in March 2010, 25% of the respondents said they believed that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president."[8] In a July 2010 CNN poll of adult Americans, 16% said they had doubts that Obama was born in the United States, and a further 11% were certain that he was not.[9]

A Gallup telephone poll of 1018 adults conducted in May 2011 found that 5% of respondents believed that Obama was "definitely born in another country" and 8% believed he was "probably born in another country", versus 47% believing he was "definitely" and 18% "probably" born in the US.[10] Broken down by political affiliation, the same poll found that 23% of self-identified Republicans, 14% of independents, and 5% of Democrats thought Obama was definitely or probably born in another country.[10]

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Opinion_surveys
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 07 2016 03:28 GMT
#54415
On January 07 2016 12:11 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 11:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 07 2016 10:39 Jibba wrote:
Trump is pulling out the birther argument on Ted Cruz.

Well this is delightful.


At least Cruz (and McCain) have birther situations that should at least make someone take a second to figure out the nuanced law that still let them run for president... unlike Obama's situation that should have never even been a cause for pause.


It wasn't a cause for pause. The birther movement was a small sliver of Republican voters (a segment of the already small Tea party) during a time of extreme partisan politics. That is to be expected. To almost every other American, it was a non issue.


Eh... from Wikipedia

In October 2008, the Orange County Register's OC Political Pulse poll found that a third of responding Republicans believed that Obama had been born outside the United States.[177] As a result of the widespread publicity given to the citizenship controversy, 60% of respondents in an Ohio State University survey carried out in November 2008 had heard of the issue. However, only 10% believed the claims that Obama was not a citizen.[178]

An opinion poll carried out for Daily Kos by Research 2000 in July 2009 found that 77% of Americans believed that Obama was born in the U.S., while 11% didn't, and 12% were unsure. However, Republicans and Southerners were far more likely than other political or demographic groups to doubt that Obama was born in the United States. 58% of Republicans either believed that Obama was not born in the U.S. (28%) or were not sure (30%), with 42% believing that he was. An overwhelming majority of Democrats (93%) and independents (83%) believed that he was born in the U.S. Support for the belief that Obama was born outside the U.S. was strongest in the South, where only 47% of those polled believed he was born in the U.S., compared with an average of 90% of residents of the Northeast, Midwest and West.[179] A marked racial disparity in the South was also apparent. The Politico's congressional reporter, Glenn Thrush, commented that the Research 2000 poll "explains why Republicans, including Roy Blunt, are playing footsie with the Birther fringe."[179] Writing on National Journal's Pollster.com blog, Brendan Nyhan observed that the poll "suggests that the encouragement of the birth certificate myth by conservative pundits and Republican politicians has begun to activate the GOP base on this issue."[180]

A Public Policy Polling survey carried out in August 2009 found that 32% of Republicans in Virginia thought that Obama was born in the U.S., 41% thought he was foreign-born and the remaining 27% were unsure.[181] In Utah, an August 2009 poll carried out for the Deseret News and KSL-TV found that 67% of Utahns accepted the evidence that Obama was born in the U.S. The poll found that those who do not believe that Obama was born in the United States, or do not know, are predominantly middle-aged, lower-income Republican-leaning individuals without a college education.[182]

A Pew Research Center poll found that 80% of Americans had heard about the Obama citizenship claims by August 2009. The poll found a significant partisan divide in views of the news coverage, with 58% of Democrats saying that the allegations had received too much attention from the media. Republicans were more inclined to say that the allegations had received too little attention, with 39% expressing this view against only 26% saying that the controversy had received too much attention.[183]

In a Harris Poll online survey of 2,320 adults conducted in March 2010, 25% of the respondents said they believed that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president."[8] In a July 2010 CNN poll of adult Americans, 16% said they had doubts that Obama was born in the United States, and a further 11% were certain that he was not.[9]

A Gallup telephone poll of 1018 adults conducted in May 2011 found that 5% of respondents believed that Obama was "definitely born in another country" and 8% believed he was "probably born in another country", versus 47% believing he was "definitely" and 18% "probably" born in the US.[10] Broken down by political affiliation, the same poll found that 23% of self-identified Republicans, 14% of independents, and 5% of Democrats thought Obama was definitely or probably born in another country.[10]
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 07 2016 03:36 GMT
#54416
You won't find me calling backlash in those cases a political opinion, example of rampant political correctness, or possibly inappropriate. Frankly, the examples thus far are puerile. Like Newsweek writers/editorials are just another Howard Stern and should be treated as such.
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
January 07 2016 04:33 GMT
#54417
Jan 6 The U.S. Congress on Wednesday approved legislation dismantling President Barack Obama's signature health care plan, putting on his desk an election-year measure that faces a certain veto.

Republicans have been vowing to gut the Affordable Care Act, also known as "Obamacare," since 2010, when the then Democratic-majority Congress passed the landmark program designed to provide health care for millions of uninsured Americans - over the united opposition of Republicans.

The House has voted to dismantle Obamacare dozens of times, but Republicans were unable to get a repeal measure through the Senate until late last year, when they used a procedural maneuver denying Democrats' ability to block the legislation.

The Republican-run House of Representatives finalized passage on Wednesday on a 240-181 vote, sending the bill to the White House. Republican leaders are expected to try to override Obama's promised veto, but they lack the two-thirds majority needed to do so.

The bill would also take funds away from Planned Parenthood, another target of Republicans after undercover videos showed officials of the women's healthcare provider discussing the sale of fetus parts for research.


Source

I guess some things never go out of fashion.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 07 2016 05:00 GMT
#54418
Death, taxes and repeals of Obamacare
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JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
January 07 2016 05:48 GMT
#54419
On January 07 2016 10:36 Plansix wrote:
What you are saying is you're offended and he should be fired for offending you? Just remember this moment the next time a group of left leaning college students call for a professor to be fired for saying a dumb thing.


OMFG this. Right wing butthurt about any liberal anywhere expressing an opinion in a public forum is endless. Yet you always hear about "political correctness" as FOX new calls for the next public pilloring of some liberal somewhere.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 07 2016 05:54 GMT
#54420
I don't know if the Republicans actually believe that a non-citizen became president, or just hate Obama because he's a Democrat and they'll latch onto whatever they can. The state of politics has been pretty bad for a while.

Don't forget the impeachment process with Republicans trying to destroy Bill Clinton less than 20 years ago. Anything goes these days.
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