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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1083 Posts
January 06 2016 06:11 GMT
#54381
Responding to a few different things at once:
On January 06 2016 12:40 ticklishmusic wrote:
north korea reports they successfully tested a hydrogen bomb.

no fucking way.

It's amazing what completely isolating a country with economic sanctions can do. If the reports are true, it turns out that it doesn't do much of anything to stop them from getting atomic weapons. Take note during Iranian discussions.

Clutz, laws can have perfectly reasonable punishments that don't require death to be the final solution. Instead, you give a person multiple opportunities to accept increasing punishment and not die. Often, the authorities will even offer a lighter sentence in exchange for cooperation, which feels like a win for the perp. The penalty for violently resisting arrest may be death, but that's not the same as killing someone over not paying a speeding ticket.

On the Bundy situation, I think the best troll solution would be to go arrest Cliven for his illegal grazing now that his posse is in Oregon. But don't do that until you cut off all communication into the Oregon compound. Let hilarity ensue. Those guys haven't quite earned the title of terrorist yet, but definitely get the title of annoyist. If they would have taken hostages or actually opened fire on someone, then being called terrorists would fit.
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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-06 13:34:22
January 06 2016 13:31 GMT
#54382
On January 06 2016 10:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Teen Boy Will Be Charged As Adult For Having Naked Pics of a Minor: Himself

A North Carolina 17-year-old caught in a sexting scandal faces charges of sexually exploiting a minor that could land him in jail for up to 10 years, since the law considers him an adult. But one of the minors he supposedly exploited is himself­—which raises an obvious question: how can a teen be old enough to face adult felony charges, but not old enough to keep a nude picture of himself on his phone?

Unfortunately, that’s the Kafka-esque nightmare in which Fayetteville-area high schooler Cormega Copening finds himself after exchanging private nude photos with his girlfriend—with whom he is legally allowed to have sex, but not to sext.

I wrote about Copening’s story on Tuesday. Since then, I’ve learned new information that makes the local sheriff’s office’s actions seem even more ludicrous.

But first, to recap: Copening and his girlfriend—now identified as Brianna Denson—are like other teenagers in that they have more than a passing interest in sex. Indeed, when they were 16, they exchanged racy sexy photos via text message. Denson sent pictures to Copening, and Copening sent pictures to Denson. It appears that no one else saw the pictures until local authorities searched Copening’s phone and discovered them.

Why did they search his phone? It’s not clear, but local news reports claimed that it had nothing to do with the sexts themselves. The Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office did not respond to a request for comment. According to fayobserver.com, there is no record of a search warrant being issued for Copening’s phone.

Both teens were charged with sexual exploitation. Denson pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and was given 12 months of probation.

Copening, however, is still facing two counts of second-degree sexual exploitation and three counts of third-degree exploitation. As Ricochet’s Tom Meyer points out, the third-degree charges—which constitute a majority of the total charges—actually stem from the pictures Copening had of himself. The implication is clear: Copening does not own himself, from the standpoint of the law, and is not free to keep sexually-provocative pictures, even if they depict his own body.

But consider this: North Carolina is one of two states in the country (the other is progressive New York) that considers 16 to be the age of adulthood for criminal purposes. This mean, of course, that Copening can be tried as an adult for exploiting a minor—himself.

I discovered this when I asked Fayetteville Observer Executive Editor Mike Adams about his publication’s decision to release the names of the teens (something countless other local news reports did as well). He explained to me that it’s the company’s policy to publish the names of adults charged with felony crimes, which includes Copening and Denson, in this case. But The Observer didn’t fully comprehend that Copening and Denson were also the victims—and, by some bizarre quirk of the law, minors in a different sense—until after its original reporting on the issue had already been published.

“I don’t think sexting was considered when this sexual exploitation law was put on the books,” Adams told me.

Indeed. Maybe the legislature should revisit the issue. In the meantime, there is still no excuse for local cops to pursue charges against Copening. They have already humiliated him and damaged (perhaps irreversibly) his high school football career over mildly worrisome behavior that should not even constitute a crime. Cumberland County should exercise some discretion—perhaps some maturity as well—and let this matter go.

The Observer's Paul Woolverton also covered the insanity of North Caorlina's sexual exploitation law as applied in this case. Read his excellent story here.
~ https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/02/teen-boy-will-be-charged-as-adult-for-ha

-Basically, a 16/17 year old male is legally allowed to have sex with his 16/17 year old girlfriend, but he's not allowed to send her nude photos of himself because he's legally not an adult (18 years old) and so he'd be committing sexual exploitation of himself.

-He privately sent her nude pics of himself, and she privately sent him nude pics of herself, and then cops (illegally? no search warrant) found nude photos of himself and of his girlfriend privately stored on his phone (and not sent to anyone else), and as a result he's getting charged with sexual exploitation crimes because he has nude photos of his girlfriend and nude photos of himself.

I feel like the Jackie Chan WTF Meme is quite appropriate in this case.



This is a bogus case or no?
Mutual concent, why is this a case at all?

And even if the law is like this, then why are they still going after them ?
They obviously did nothing wrong,this is just abusing the law to make someones life horrible for no single reason.
Very frightening
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 06 2016 13:34 GMT
#54383
The device had a yield of about 6 kilotons

most probably not a h bomb
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 06 2016 13:45 GMT
#54384
On January 06 2016 07:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 06:42 Seuss wrote:
On January 06 2016 03:25 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On January 06 2016 02:20 Seuss wrote:
On January 06 2016 01:18 Mohdoo wrote:
If Rubio doesn't win one of the first few states, I think it's officially Cruz vs Trump. It's also interesting to see the establishment can't wrap it's head around how much less effective TV ads are nowadays.


The problem is bigger than that. Trump's voting bloc isn't going to abandon him for establishment candidates. Even if an ad campaign successfully hurts Trump it won't be Rubio or Jeb getting a windfall, it'll be Cruz.


I think the establishment's goal is to drive Trump out of the race or marginalize him by crushing his "I'm a winner" narrative immediately after Super Tuesday. Trump won't waste his money if he's clearly getting battered. Then they can bring all cannons to bear on Cruz and consolidate behind whichever establishment candidate remains. It's not like any substantial amount of states will have voted at that point and a Rubio/Bush/Christie win is not inconceivable at that point, a la McCain's win in 2008.


I am not a political analyst, but if I was in the establishment I'd probably freak out if that was the plan.

If we're hoping for a McCain-style surge we're toast because it's already happening and it's Cruz. The mechanism which powered McCain's surge was Giuliani's fall and poor ground grame. Cruz is in the same position in relation to Trump, and like McCain will likely win Iowa and South Carolina if Trump's numbers start dropping. We could see Cruz run the table on Super Tuesday in that case, and that should scare the establishment shitless.

Otherwise as long as Trump and Cruz are duking it out there's a chance an establishment candidate can emerge, but there's also a chance we end up with a brokered convention and that's almost as bad as anything else that can happen. The only saving grace there is that Cruz is probably too power hungry to be Trump's VP.


McCain didn't win Iowa, Huckabee did (with Romney chasing Huckabee). Then again 2008 was a super gross year because of the lost delegates because of states moving their primaries up as well as the messed up order, so it was really weird. I think the fact that Trump voters are mainly going to Cruz says more about Cruz's massive Iowa people-power investment than it does anything else to be honest.

Cruz would also infinitely rather be a Senator with a massive amount of political capital owed by the GOP than a VP for someone he thinks is an idiot (though of course he won't say that at debates).

Anyway, we're missing any state poll data for Iowa and New Hampshire since 12/20, so the only people with any idea of the current trends are the campaigns with private pollster access. I would be very surprised if Trump can win Iowa at this point though given how poorly he has polled there compared to his national numbers.

(As for Christie in New Jersey, Romney's Mass numbers in 2012 weren't exactly stellar-the state has so few delegates it doesn't really matter in this era of "records mean nothing, words mean everything")


Derp. I literally had the results in front of me don't know how I screwed up Huckabee.

Point largely still stands. No McCain-style surge is going to happen for an establishment candidate at this point unless the establishment itself picks someone and forces the rest to drop out. McCain's surge was powered by Giuliani's fall, but even if Trump collapses his voters aren't going to readily support an establishment candidate.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 06 2016 15:38 GMT
#54385
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 06 2016 15:57 GMT
#54386
The key is to not talk about the order itself or what Obama said, but to make shit up and claim things that are not true. Rinse and repeat. Its not about solving problems, but blaming the other side for literally everything.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4921 Posts
January 06 2016 16:35 GMT
#54387
Pretty funny comment considering that that is exactly how Obama behaves. Blame Republicans and the NRA, while signing orders that wouldn't have stopped the event that supposedly motivates him to take action.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
January 06 2016 16:46 GMT
#54388
On January 07 2016 01:35 Introvert wrote:
Pretty funny comment considering that that is exactly how Obama behaves. Blame Republicans and the NRA, while signing orders that wouldn't have stopped the event that supposedly motivates him to take action.

It seems fair to blame Republicans and the NRA for blocking measures that would have prevented past mass shootings, while at the same time doing what he can to implement measures that may prevent future mass shootings.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 06 2016 16:57 GMT
#54389
On January 07 2016 01:35 Introvert wrote:
Pretty funny comment considering that that is exactly how Obama behaves. Blame Republicans and the NRA, while signing orders that wouldn't have stopped the event that supposedly motivates him to take action.

Expect that the NRA and Republics have opposed any form of gun control for decades and have been actively attempting to undermine existing laws through defunding. The stawman argument that “but the new laws wouldn’t have preventing the most recent shooting” is the exact type of useless discussion we have been having that whole time. The hobbyist loop hole is bullshit and has been for way to long.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-study-finds-vast-online-marketplace-for-guns-without-background-checks/2013/08/05/19809198-fd73-11e2-9711-3708310f6f4d_story.html

This is from 2013.
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
January 06 2016 17:07 GMT
#54390
On January 07 2016 01:35 Introvert wrote:
Pretty funny comment considering that that is exactly how Obama behaves. Blame Republicans and the NRA, while signing orders that wouldn't have stopped the event that supposedly motivates him to take action.


One guy tries to toughen up laws.

Other faction not only tries to stop that, but also tries to undermine existing laws.

Does whatever he can, even if it "wouldn't have stopped the latest event" (maybe it would've stopped one of the what, 400 mass shootings last year?).

Makes him the bad guy.

I thought the John Oliver piece about australia/the US and gun restriction was satire, especially when it came to the arguments that NRA moron or what he was made.

Turns out, it's actually not the person that was an idiot.
On track to MA1950A.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7327 Posts
January 06 2016 19:20 GMT
#54391
I'm all for more background checks for firearms and I consider myself liberal but the mother Jones article was good at taking a deeper dive into the stats. Gang shootings or incidents where people are hit by strays are awful an need to be addressed but to group those in with sandyhook and San Bernardino is dishonest and only makes people distrust stats more.

I wonder if the people in power who made up/cite the stat see it more of a means to an end and feel they can morally justify using the flawed image that the stat conjures. I think as a liberal we need to be better than this. Using scare tactics and misleading stats is what I associate with the right wing . We need to do better dammit ; (
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-06 20:06:34
January 06 2016 20:00 GMT
#54392
On January 07 2016 04:20 Sadist wrote:
I'm all for more background checks for firearms and I consider myself liberal but the mother Jones article was good at taking a deeper dive into the stats. Gang shootings or incidents where people are hit by strays are awful an need to be addressed but to group those in with sandyhook and San Bernardino is dishonest and only makes people distrust stats more.

I wonder if the people in power who made up/cite the stat see it more of a means to an end and feel they can morally justify using the flawed image that the stat conjures. I think as a liberal we need to be better than this. Using scare tactics and misleading stats is what I associate with the right wing . We need to do better dammit ; (

At one point in nov I looked into their numbers they're talking about to check out if it's really that bad and while gang violence is (probably?) a bigger factor for deadly ones it just doesn't seem that much within the data they provide.

The attackers was tagged with "gang related" or whatever it was in about 2.X % of the incidents in their database iirc?
The victims had all kinds of tags listed down to 1.5% and none of them had anything to do with gangs while pointing it out in a phrase earlier. So assumption on my part: They have a tag for that but it's less than 1.5% of their incidents or else it would have made the list.

Obviously this all assumes that they're tagging correctly and on top of that they must have ignored the ones that are just not reported correctly (because the cause isn't known or whatever else) resulting in missing tags.

The data isn't really supposed to show "mass shootings like sandyhook and co", it's supposed to show mass shootings in general. That includes completly unplanned, drunk guy who walks into a bar and shoots 4-8 people because he didn't get laid yesterday and noone died
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-06 20:21:37
January 06 2016 20:21 GMT
#54393
The chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court ordered the state's probate judges on Wednesday not to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, despite a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court last year legalizing gay marriage.

Chief Justice Roy Moore said the U.S. Supreme Court decision is at odds with earlier opinions by the state's highest court, resulting in “confusion and uncertainty” among probate judges.

While the Alabama Supreme Court weighs the issue, probate judges “have a ministerial duty not to issue any marriage license contrary” to the state's law banning same-sex marriage, Moore said.


Source
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 06 2016 20:33 GMT
#54394
On matters of the constitution, the supreme court of the united states supersedes everyone. it's pretty fucking simple really.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22164 Posts
January 06 2016 20:40 GMT
#54395
On January 07 2016 05:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court ordered the state's probate judges on Wednesday not to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, despite a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court last year legalizing gay marriage.

Chief Justice Roy Moore said the U.S. Supreme Court decision is at odds with earlier opinions by the state's highest court, resulting in “confusion and uncertainty” among probate judges.

While the Alabama Supreme Court weighs the issue, probate judges “have a ministerial duty not to issue any marriage license contrary” to the state's law banning same-sex marriage, Moore said.


Source

Sigh...
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 06 2016 20:46 GMT
#54396
On January 07 2016 05:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 04:20 Sadist wrote:
I'm all for more background checks for firearms and I consider myself liberal but the mother Jones article was good at taking a deeper dive into the stats. Gang shootings or incidents where people are hit by strays are awful an need to be addressed but to group those in with sandyhook and San Bernardino is dishonest and only makes people distrust stats more.

I wonder if the people in power who made up/cite the stat see it more of a means to an end and feel they can morally justify using the flawed image that the stat conjures. I think as a liberal we need to be better than this. Using scare tactics and misleading stats is what I associate with the right wing . We need to do better dammit ; (

At one point in nov I looked into their numbers they're talking about to check out if it's really that bad and while gang violence is (probably?) a bigger factor for deadly ones it just doesn't seem that much within the data they provide.

The attackers was tagged with "gang related" or whatever it was in about 2.X % of the incidents in their database iirc?
The victims had all kinds of tags listed down to 1.5% and none of them had anything to do with gangs while pointing it out in a phrase earlier. So assumption on my part: They have a tag for that but it's less than 1.5% of their incidents or else it would have made the list.

Obviously this all assumes that they're tagging correctly and on top of that they must have ignored the ones that are just not reported correctly (because the cause isn't known or whatever else) resulting in missing tags.

The data isn't really supposed to show "mass shootings like sandyhook and co", it's supposed to show mass shootings in general. That includes completly unplanned, drunk guy who walks into a bar and shoots 4-8 people because he didn't get laid yesterday and noone died


The MJ article, if its the one I recall (there is a MJ article that states this, I follow them on Twitter), states that the high number stat (not the FBI stat) was created by a Reddit user who mods a gun control subreddit, and explicitly stated he was changing the definition of mass shootings to further the agenda.
Freeeeeeedom
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
January 06 2016 20:47 GMT
#54397
On January 07 2016 05:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
On matters of the constitution, the supreme court of the united states supersedes everyone. it's pretty fucking simple really.

Something something States Rights' blah blah.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-06 20:53:30
January 06 2016 20:53 GMT
#54398
On January 07 2016 05:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
On matters of the constitution, the supreme court of the united states supersedes everyone. it's pretty fucking simple really.

Not if you're a homophobic Judge from Alabama. Then its super confusing and everyone should stop.
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ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
January 06 2016 22:50 GMT
#54399
How can CNN be so awful. Trying to watch the Trump interview but there's more CNN 'experts' parodying themselves than interview.
Forward
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-06 23:57:33
January 06 2016 23:57 GMT
#54400
TransCanada sues U.S. over Keystone XL rejection, seeks damages

TransCanada Corp sued the U.S government on Wednesday to reverse President Barack Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline, calling his decision unconstitutional.

TransCanada also sought $15 billion in a separate action under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), saying the pipeline permit denial was "arbitrary and unjustified." The company's lawsuit in federal court in Houston does not seek legal damages but wants the permit denial invalidated and seeks a ruling that no future president can block construction.

Obama rejected the cross-border crude oil pipeline last November, seven years after it was first proposed, saying it would not make a meaningful long-term contribution to the U.S. economy.

The Keystone XL was designed to link existing pipeline networks in Canada and the United States to bring crude from Alberta and North Dakota to refineries in Illinois and, eventually, the Gulf of Mexico coast.

In filing the NAFTA claim, TransCanada said it "had every reason to expect its application would be granted" as it had met the same criteria the U.S. State Department used when approving other similar cross-border pipelines.

"Presumably they have a case that there are damages, as they were led to believe that if they did these things they'd get it across the line, but they weren't able to," said portfolio manager Ryan Bushell at Leon Frazer & Associates in Toronto, whose firm owns more than a million shares in TransCanada.

"I'd imagine that this is more than a PR move and they believe they have a real case."

The White House referred requests for comment to the U.S. State Department. The State Department did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

In Ottawa, a spokesman for the Canadian foreign ministry said the government "has no role in this dispute."

Since October, Canada has been run by Justin Trudeau's Liberals, who backed the pipeline but not as vociferously as the former ruling Conservatives.

TransCanada said it will also take an after-tax write down of C$2.5 billion ($1.78 billion) to C$2.9 billion in the fourth quarter after the permit denial.

The project ran into opposition from environmental groups in the United States and blocking it became a litmus test of the green movement's ability to hinder fossil fuel extraction in Canada's oil sands.

"The suit is a reminder that we shouldn’t be signing new trade agreements like the Trans Pacific Partnership that allow corporations to sue governments that try and keep fossil fuels in the ground," said Jason Kowalski, policy director of environmental group 350.org which opposed the pipeline.

TransCanada called the rejection "a symbolic gesture" aimed at burnishing the Obama administration's leadership on climate change in the eyes of the international community.

TransCanada is also developing the Energy East pipeline, designed to move 1.1 million barrels per day of western crude to Canada's East Coast. That project too faces opposition from environmentalists trying to halt industry expansion.

TransCanada shares closed down 1.6 percent at $31.70 on the New York Stock Exchange on Wednesday. After hours, the stock price stayed steady after the legal actions were announced.

($1 = 1.4075 Canadian dollars)


source: www.reuters.com

there's no way they're getting anything though, right?
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