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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 16 2015 04:00 GMT
#53281
God Rand Paul. The greatest threat is our debt . . . why are people still saying such idiotic things?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 04:01:23
December 16 2015 04:00 GMT
#53282
You don't win Ohio by running Kasich I'm pretty sure, that state is in a Kansas-tier place right now

oh no ANOTHER Christie 9/11 reference. Does he make money every time he mentions it?
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
December 16 2015 04:02 GMT
#53283
Christie is channeling the spirit of Giuliani
rip passion
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 16 2015 04:07 GMT
#53284
Trump's appeals to "winning again" are pretty damned brilliant for the purposes of this primary.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 16 2015 04:07 GMT
#53285
Trump is awesome.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
December 16 2015 04:08 GMT
#53286
Yeah I can listen to Trump all day
rip passion
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 16 2015 04:10 GMT
#53287
trump will destroy
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 16 2015 04:11 GMT
#53288
trump's so weird, he talks like he's talking to children, he's running to be america's dad

but he and Cruz and Paul are right about nation building, i don't trust the PNAC cronies of Bush, Rubio, and Kasich (I think Christie is in with the latter 3 but not sure)
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 16 2015 04:11 GMT
#53289
credit where it's due: even though i hate ted cruz, i think he's dead on regarding how obama is incapable of saying the words 'islamic terrorism'. if the left can't bring itself to admit that such a problem even exists, then many people might have no choice but to vote for a christian bigot to fight against islamism.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 04:13:49
December 16 2015 04:12 GMT
#53290
On December 16 2015 13:07 xDaunt wrote:
Trump's appeals to "winning again" are pretty damned brilliant for the purposes of this primary.


It's an interesting strategy. I can't help but wonder if it might come back to bite him once some of the "losers" drop out if he can't manage to pull their support and he is no longer "winning."

On December 16 2015 13:11 writer22816 wrote:
credit where it's due: even though i hate ted cruz, i think he's dead on regarding how obama is incapable of saying the words 'islamic terrorism'. if the left can't bring itself to admit that such a problem even exists, then many people might have no choice but to vote for a christian bigot to fight against islamism.


Fighting "islamism" is about as realistic as fighting China. It's never going to happen.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 16 2015 04:14 GMT
#53291
The problem isn't islamism though, it's the terrorism part.

He's also not dead-on, it's a more complicated issue, with valid strategic reasons to choose other phrasings for better positioning in the war of ideas.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 16 2015 04:14 GMT
#53292
On December 16 2015 13:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 13:07 xDaunt wrote:
Trump's appeals to "winning again" are pretty damned brilliant for the purposes of this primary.


It's an interesting strategy. I can't help but wonder if it might come back to bite him once some of the "losers" drop out if he can't manage to pull their support and he is no longer "winning."

It's a message that connects directly with many Americans. I just wonder whether Trump focused grouped it or whether Trump came up with it himself due to having some keen political acumen.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 04:15:54
December 16 2015 04:14 GMT
#53293
On December 16 2015 13:11 writer22816 wrote:
credit where it's due: even though i hate ted cruz, i think he's dead on regarding how obama is incapable of saying the words 'islamic terrorism'. if the left can't bring itself to admit that such a problem even exists, then many people might have no choice but to vote for a christian bigot to fight against islamism.


agreed but they're also ignoring how climate change will create more terrorists and even using climate change as a punching bag

drought and desertification contributed to the destabilization of the middle east and the rise of isis, it doesn't fit in the republican neat little worldview so they won't say it, just like democrats won't say radical islamic terrorism cause it doesn't fit with their PC worldview
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 04:16:04
December 16 2015 04:15 GMT
#53294
On December 16 2015 13:14 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 13:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On December 16 2015 13:07 xDaunt wrote:
Trump's appeals to "winning again" are pretty damned brilliant for the purposes of this primary.


It's an interesting strategy. I can't help but wonder if it might come back to bite him once some of the "losers" drop out if he can't manage to pull their support and he is no longer "winning."

It's a message that connects directly with many Americans. I just wonder whether Trump focused grouped it or whether Trump came up with it himself due to having some keen political acumen.


I don't think Trump has any political acumen to speak of. PR acumen, perhaps.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
December 16 2015 04:17 GMT
#53295
Trump should focus more on the illegals and "rebuilding America" literally and figuratively and relax his muslim rhetoric.


Fuck you Frank I love it


rip passion
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
December 16 2015 04:20 GMT
#53296
I could not watch the debate -- where there any questions about climate change and the COP21 deal? If so, how did the candidates respond?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 04:24:18
December 16 2015 04:23 GMT
#53297
On December 16 2015 13:20 kwizach wrote:
I could not watch the debate -- where there any questions about climate change and the COP21 deal? If so, how did the candidates respond?


Closest thing I heard was someone saying "That Paris conference should have been about terrorism, not stupid climate change." Thiiink it was Christie who said it, not positive. Other than that nothing.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19327 Posts
December 16 2015 04:25 GMT
#53298
On December 16 2015 13:20 kwizach wrote:
I could not watch the debate -- where there any questions about climate change and the COP21 deal? If so, how did the candidates respond?

Nope. The debate was shit. It was like watching a wet noodle fight over the middle east agenda. Nothing else important was discussed. No domestic agendas were reviewed. I'm pretty pissed I wasted my night lol.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
December 16 2015 04:26 GMT
#53299
I personally think Rubio would be the guy I'd root for, but too bad he's got the ire of Cruz - who is pretty good at being hated and hateful.
Yargh
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
December 16 2015 04:30 GMT
#53300
On December 16 2015 13:23 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 13:20 kwizach wrote:
I could not watch the debate -- where there any questions about climate change and the COP21 deal? If so, how did the candidates respond?


Closest thing I heard was someone saying "That Paris conference should have been about terrorism, not stupid climate change." Thiiink it was Christie who said it, not positive. Other than that nothing.

On December 16 2015 13:25 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 13:20 kwizach wrote:
I could not watch the debate -- where there any questions about climate change and the COP21 deal? If so, how did the candidates respond?

Nope. The debate was shit. It was like watching a wet noodle fight over the middle east agenda. Nothing else important was discussed. No domestic agendas were reviewed. I'm pretty pissed I wasted my night lol.

Thanks!
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
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