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Trainrunnef
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:40 heliusx wrote: Which is why gun control arguments go into the gun control thread, so you guys can shout past each other out of sight. There have been 334 days and 351 mass shootings so far this year. That leaves maybe 16-30 days out of the year or so where gun control can be talked about with the bodies being less warm. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/30/there-have-been-334-days-and-351-mass-shootings-so-far-this-year/ //Did you forget to log out and comment under the same name quoting yourself? | ||
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Introvert
United States4773 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:43 Nyxisto wrote: I think it's pretty clear that the second amendment is more of a white people thing. After all when a certain historic party looted and destroyed British property and dumped it into the harbour it was an act of justified rebellion, if one black guy loots a store the whole civil movement is apparently potentially violent and dangerous. Looters don't need guns, store owners do. Edit: Quoted wrong post at first. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:45 Introvert wrote: Looters don't need guns, store owners do. Edit: Quoted wrong post at first. Looters need guns to defend themselves against the violent looters with guns. The only way to stop the cycle of violence is to make sure that it only cycles once. | ||
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m4ini
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edit: they're showing the buildings/area now, so i assume that there's nothing there anymore. | ||
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Introvert
United States4773 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:47 Plansix wrote: Looters need guns to defend themselves against the violent looters with guns. The only way to stop the cycle of violence is to make sure that it only cycles once. The point was, the second amendment is for everyone, so his statement that it's a white people thing is dumb. His related point about the perception of violence is a separate topic. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:44 CannonsNCarriers wrote: //Did you forget to log out and comment under the same name quoting yourself? Did you forget how to compose a sentence that makes sense? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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m4ini
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edit: Obama actually sounds defeated, or is that just me? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Nah, the 2nd amendment is definitely a white person thing in America. No other ethnic group spouts it as much or as loudly as that group. At least not in the public sphere of media talking points. It's a white people thing because white people culture has a longer US history. We are not a unique situation. Every other country that fought against a foreign authority has a similar culture where we need some sort of physical protection against the government. | ||
KwarK
United States42777 Posts
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/10/01/statement-president-shootings-umpqua-community-college-roseburg-oregon | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:54 m4ini wrote: Press conference of San Bernadino Police starting now. edit: Obama actually sounds defeated, or is that just me? He sounds crushed and just exhausted with the lack of action. But he can't do anything because the House will never act on any update to laws or fund research into how catch these shooting before they take place. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:49 Introvert wrote: The point was, the second amendment is for everyone, so his statement that it's a white people thing is dumb. His related point about the perception of violence is a separate topic. It's a white people thing because the whole second amendment doesn't exist to empower all citizens but to have the white guys protect their property. force as a means of liberation doesn't really extend to minorities. A black guy with a gun is perceived as a criminal. A white guy with a gun is exercising his natural right. Historical European revolutions are glorified although they're pretty bloody but contemporary black civil rights movements are held accountable for every looted store. | ||
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m4ini
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Police still asking for witnesses, calling for people to call if they saw something. "Up to three people entered building and started shooting". Upwards of 14 people dead, upwards of 14 wounded. Preliminary numbers. Police has not seen the shooters, potentially fled in a dark SUV. No idea of motive or suspects. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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KwarK
United States42777 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:56 Mohdoo wrote: It's a white people thing because white people culture has a longer US history. We are not a unique situation. Every other country that fought against a foreign authority has a similar culture where we need some sort of physical protection against the government. I'm sorry, you think white people in the United States have an experience of being oppressed by another group that black people in the United States cannot relate to? Firstly, the war of independence was not against a foreign power, England was a foreign power to the Native Americans, it was the home nation to the majority of the colonists. They were fighting due to a constitutional disagreement with their monarchy, it was a republican secession. Secondly, the war of independence has absolutely nothing to do with the vast majority of Americans who descend from Europeans who came much later. There was constant large scale migration to the United States from Europe after the founding. Your forefathers did not fight against England, they most likely came from England. Thirdly, are you kidding me about white Americans having an exclusive experience of oppression? You think you need your guns in case King George tries to put tax on your tea? But the blacks can't relate to that because they're only afraid of being enslaved and made to pick cotton? Black Americans have a far greater historical understanding of how important the right to bear arms to defend their rights would be. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:56 Mohdoo wrote: It's a white people thing because white people culture has a longer US history. We are not a unique situation. Every other country that fought against a foreign authority has a similar culture where we need some sort of physical protection against the government. Well all those black people in the US has about a long of a history, but it was being at the other end of those guns and being the property of white people. And there are countries with far longer histories that have managed to deal with this specific issue. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
For more than 20 years, world leaders have been trying to craft a solution to global warming, without a lot of success. During that time, the U.S. government has been like the big-ticket movie star who's been offered the lead role, but won't commit. President Barack Obama, though thinks he's figured how the United States can once again star, even without the support of the U.S. Congress. When the world's first climate treaty was signed in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997, then-President Bill Clinton held an airport press conference to brag that the U.S. "showed the way" to make that happen. "I am very pleased that the United States has reached a truly historic agreement with other nations of the world to take unprecedented steps to address the global problem of climate change," Clinton said at the time. "The agreement is environmentally strong, and economically sound." But months later, the U.S. Senate said it wouldn't ratify that treaty, even if the rest of the industrialized world did. From then on, the U.S. didn't have skin in the game — and everyone else knew that. President George W. Bush agreed with the Senate decision. But he did say climate change was a problem, and one the U.S. should do something about. Speaking in 2007, Bush said, "I put our nation on a path to slow, stop and eventually reverse the growth of our greenhouse gas emissions." Bush didn't think those changes should come via a United Nations treaty. Rather than deal with the U.N., his approach was to suggest a target for U.S. emissions, and encourage private companies to invent new technologies to meet it. When President Obama took office, he was eager to get the U.S. government to lead the world on the control of emissions. He had a "national climate action plan" to reduce emissions in the U.S., and, he said, the U.S. would return to the world stage. Source | ||
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m4ini
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Introvert
United States4773 Posts
On December 03 2015 06:58 Nyxisto wrote: It's a white people thing because the whole second amendment doesn't exist to empower all citizens but to have the white guys protect their property. force as a means of liberation doesn't really extend to minorities. I wrote like 4 responses but this post makes so little sense I just dropped it. 2nd amendment fans advocate using them to defend you or your property (like a storefront). No one advocates using them to loot things, which you don't need guns to do anyway. As we've seen. | ||
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