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a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
On November 13 2015 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote: This was my personal favorite China related moment.
Two debates ago: doesn't know what his own website says about immigration and Marco Rubio and has it pointed out directly to viewers.
Last debate: doesn't know the details of a deal he spends a minute lambasting including a reference to the nitty gritty of the deal and has it pointed out directly to viewers.
How on earth this man is maintaining a campaign riding entirely on projected hypercompetence is beyond me.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
As a white, heterosexual male myself, I don’t really see much merit to your argument. I don’t have a lot to add to any discussion about atomic physics, women’s health or the how to build a ship to the moon. And I don’t have much to say that would be of value to a black person on the topic of racism, beyond asking questions and providing my limited and uninformed views from the outside.
Silence isn’t required. It’s the level of introspection to understand you have nothing of value to add or your points come from a position that is woefully uninformed.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist, even minorities against their own minority group. It's just how the human brain works, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
On the other hand it does make you a jerk if you refuse to admit it and take steps to correct your own subconscious racial prejudices.
Also if you are too sensitive about the word "racism" to engage in a robust intellectual debate on the subject we can just call it "implicit bias" instead. I wouldn't want you to take offense, because we all know how annoyed you are with people who take offense at small things like terminology : )
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist, even minorities against their own minority group. It's just how the human brain works, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
On the other hand it does make you a jerk if you refuse to admit it and take steps to correct your own subconscious racial prejudices.
Also if you are too sensitive about the word "racism" to engage in a robust intellectual debate on the subject we can just call it "implicit bias" instead. I wouldn't want you to take offense, because we all know how annoyed you are with people who take offense at small things like terminology : )
Maybe you haven't noticed, but I've been heavily engaged in the debate. I'm more than happy to point out how intellectually and morally bankrupt these people are.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist, even minorities against their own minority group. It's just how the human brain works, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
On the other hand it does make you a jerk if you refuse to admit it and take steps to correct your own subconscious racial prejudices.
Also if you are too sensitive about the word "racism" to engage in a robust intellectual debate on the subject we can just call it "implicit bias" instead. I wouldn't want you to take offense, because we all know how annoyed you are with people who take offense at small things like terminology : )
Its odd that you would say robust intellectual debate, because xdaunt's main point is that he gets spilled shouted down for merely asking for objective evidence, or for questioning the veracity of undocumented incidents reported only by partisan entities.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
You're welcome to talk about the subjective stuff that you experience with authority. White men still have some issues that need resolving, albeit mostly the kind of PC ones that historical white men were too dumb to resolve. Mental illness, homelessness, cultural assumptions about gender roles, that kind of thing. If you wanted to start preaching about how homeless men are disproportionately underfunded etc then a black woman, who in this case would be speaking from a position of privilege, would be wrong to start denying your experiences based on her own privileged experience of the system.
And I am sure they would say similar things about you and that you cling to power and privilege while denouncing anyone who attempts to push for equality and oppose racism.
It says a lot that you are upset that you would be forced to listen to them without being able question them. It upsets you that they might not care what you have to say. Though considering that you want to call them intellectually and morally bankrupt, I can see why.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist, even minorities against their own minority group. It's just how the human brain works, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
On the other hand it does make you a jerk if you refuse to admit it and take steps to correct your own subconscious racial prejudices.
Also if you are too sensitive about the word "racism" to engage in a robust intellectual debate on the subject we can just call it "implicit bias" instead. I wouldn't want you to take offense, because we all know how annoyed you are with people who take offense at small things like terminology : )
Its odd that you would say robust intellectual debate, because xdaunt's main point is that he gets spilled shouted down for merely asking for objective evidence, or for questioning the veracity of undocumented incidents reported only by partisan entities.
Objective proof of a subjective experience is hard to come by. Call me nigger all you want and I won't feel in the least bit offended or racially abused. That does not objectively prove that calling people nigger isn't racist, it shows that there is a subjective element to how we experience things.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist, even minorities against their own minority group. It's just how the human brain works, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
On the other hand it does make you a jerk if you refuse to admit it and take steps to correct your own subconscious racial prejudices.
Also if you are too sensitive about the word "racism" to engage in a robust intellectual debate on the subject we can just call it "implicit bias" instead. I wouldn't want you to take offense, because we all know how annoyed you are with people who take offense at small things like terminology : )
Maybe you haven't noticed, but I've been heavily engaged in the debate. I'm more than happy to point out how intellectually and morally bankrupt these people are.
From prior posts it looks like you have a big issue with the "over use" of the term racism. You're too focused on the semantics, rather than the extensive evidence that 1) people routinely operate under subconscious racial biases, 2) if they ignore this and assume that their decisions and actions are race neutral it causes them to treat others differently based on race, and 3) if people admit 1) and 2), they can counteract their subconscious racial biases.
It really shouldn't matter what word is used to describe it.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist, even minorities against their own minority group. It's just how the human brain works, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
On the other hand it does make you a jerk if you refuse to admit it and take steps to correct your own subconscious racial prejudices.
Also if you are too sensitive about the word "racism" to engage in a robust intellectual debate on the subject we can just call it "implicit bias" instead. I wouldn't want you to take offense, because we all know how annoyed you are with people who take offense at small things like terminology : )
Its odd that you would say robust intellectual debate, because xdaunt's main point is that he gets spilled shouted down for merely asking for objective evidence, or for questioning the veracity of undocumented incidents reported only by partisan entities.
I was being a bit tounge in cheek because the "anti-PC" crowd routinely criticizes the other side for being overly sensitive about perceived racism, and refusing to engage on the subject as a result. xDaunt seems overly sensitive to use of the term "racism" which has prevented him from getting to the merits of the other side's argument.
Would you really rather just argue about semantics?
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist, even minorities against their own minority group. It's just how the human brain works, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
On the other hand it does make you a jerk if you refuse to admit it and take steps to correct your own subconscious racial prejudices.
Also if you are too sensitive about the word "racism" to engage in a robust intellectual debate on the subject we can just call it "implicit bias" instead. I wouldn't want you to take offense, because we all know how annoyed you are with people who take offense at small things like terminology : )
Its odd that you would say robust intellectual debate, because xdaunt's main point is that he gets spilled shouted down for merely asking for objective evidence, or for questioning the veracity of undocumented incidents reported only by partisan entities.
Considering most discussions of racism are based on peoples personal, subjective experiences, I am pretty sure demanding objective evidence is a waste of time. If he doesn’t want to believe them, that is fine but then he should expect to be part of the discussion.
But the idea that he can come into a discussion about racism and demand “objective evidence” that racism was there is pretty dumb. It would be like asking my brother to provide evidence that he was shot at in Iraq before believe he might have PTSD. He would just tell you to fuck off, which is normally what black people do when you ask them to prove that the guy who called them a nigger is racist.
Of course he could ask for more details, but that is part of the "Asking question" rather than challenging the very existence of racism.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist, even minorities against their own minority group. It's just how the human brain works, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
On the other hand it does make you a jerk if you refuse to admit it and take steps to correct your own subconscious racial prejudices.
Also if you are too sensitive about the word "racism" to engage in a robust intellectual debate on the subject we can just call it "implicit bias" instead. I wouldn't want you to take offense, because we all know how annoyed you are with people who take offense at small things like terminology : )
Its odd that you would say robust intellectual debate, because xdaunt's main point is that he gets spilled shouted down for merely asking for objective evidence, or for questioning the veracity of undocumented incidents reported only by partisan entities.
Considering most discussions of racism are based on peoples personal, subjective experiences, I am pretty sure demanding objective evidence is a waste of time. If he doesn’t want to believe them, that is fine but then he should expect to be part of the discussion.
But the idea that he can come into a discussion about racism and demand “objective evidence” that racism was there is pretty dumb. It would be like asking my brother to provide evidence that he was shot at in Iraq before believe he might have PTSD. He would just tell you to fuck off, which is normally what black people do when you ask them to prove that the guy who called them a nigger is racist.
Of course he could ask for more details, but that is part of the "Asking question" rather than challenging the very existence of racism.
Well, when you are requesting/ demanding policy changes that have objective, identifiable, effects and eventually identifiable victims, it seems to me that that is where your logic ends. By the way, its not like the kids at Missouri and Yale are demanding empathy, or even apologies, they want people fired and want racial quotas imposed.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist, even minorities against their own minority group. It's just how the human brain works, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
On the other hand it does make you a jerk if you refuse to admit it and take steps to correct your own subconscious racial prejudices.
Also if you are too sensitive about the word "racism" to engage in a robust intellectual debate on the subject we can just call it "implicit bias" instead. I wouldn't want you to take offense, because we all know how annoyed you are with people who take offense at small things like terminology : )
Maybe you haven't noticed, but I've been heavily engaged in the debate. I'm more than happy to point out how intellectually and morally bankrupt these people are.
From prior posts it looks like you have a big issue with the "over use" of the term racism. You're too focused on the semantics, rather than the extensive evidence that 1) people routinely operate under subconscious racial biases, 2) if they ignore this and assume that their decisions and actions are race neutral it causes them to treat others differently based on race, and 3) if people admit 1) and 2), they can counteract their subconscious racial biases.
It really shouldn't matter what word is used to describe it.
Of course large portions of my arguments focus on the semantics of the issue. The opposition has branded me a "racist" simply because I disagree with them. And they chose that word purposefully. Racist is such a charged word that merely being labeled a racist results in automatic disqualification of your opinions (and beyond that, potential alienation in society). Their gratuitous use of "racist" lets them completely dodge any and all debate on the merits of what they're trying to accomplish. Hence, their aforementioned intellectual and moral bankruptcy....
And I'm more than happy to talk about innate biases and prejudices. You're talking to the guy who infamously said that stereotyping is a crude form of statistics. The other side doesn't want to have that discussion, though.
On November 13 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote: a useful question is, how did you personally come to believe in the need for antiracist movement. the key experiences and ideas are what is needed to be communicated and shared. protest has its place but attitude change takes learning
It comes from listening to the people who are protesting or talking to people who experience racism. And accepting that you(if you are white) don't' experience systematic racism and can't fully understand it. But that process is hard and requires a lot of introspection and a general acceptable that you benefited from an unfair system. And that the fact that racism exists doesn't diminish your personal struggles, but those struggles are not an argument against why racism isn't an issue.
But mostly you need to be open to listening.
And here lies the great hypocrisy of the antiracist/PC movement. I, as the outsider who is afflicted with white heterosexual male privilege, am automatically disqualified from questioning the foundation of the platform of the proponents of the current antiracist/PC movement. If I voice anydissent, I am automatically branded a racist (or whatever-ist), thus no one should listen to me. Nevertheless, I am obliged to be "open to listening" to some of the most intolerant and illiberal assholes in the country today.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist, even minorities against their own minority group. It's just how the human brain works, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
On the other hand it does make you a jerk if you refuse to admit it and take steps to correct your own subconscious racial prejudices.
Also if you are too sensitive about the word "racism" to engage in a robust intellectual debate on the subject we can just call it "implicit bias" instead. I wouldn't want you to take offense, because we all know how annoyed you are with people who take offense at small things like terminology : )
Its odd that you would say robust intellectual debate, because xdaunt's main point is that he gets spilled shouted down for merely asking for objective evidence, or for questioning the veracity of undocumented incidents reported only by partisan entities.
Considering most discussions of racism are based on peoples personal, subjective experiences, I am pretty sure demanding objective evidence is a waste of time. If he doesn’t want to believe them, that is fine but then he should expect to be part of the discussion.
But the idea that he can come into a discussion about racism and demand “objective evidence” that racism was there is pretty dumb. It would be like asking my brother to provide evidence that he was shot at in Iraq before believe he might have PTSD. He would just tell you to fuck off, which is normally what black people do when you ask them to prove that the guy who called them a nigger is racist.
Of course he could ask for more details, but that is part of the "Asking question" rather than challenging the very existence of racism.
Well, when you are requesting/ demanding policy changes that have objective, identifiable, effects and eventually identifiable victims, it seems to me that that is where your logic ends. By the way, its not like the kids at Missouri and Yale are demanding empathy, or even apologies, they want people fired and want racial quotas imposed.
To suggest that the Mizzou protesters demanded the firing of the president without mentioning what led to that development is to pretend that they had not sought far less substantial reforms at first. Tsk tsk.
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